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Old 08-23-2012, 10:03 PM   #1
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Here's something my law school buddy brought up that Dana White probably leaves out when he discusses all the money lost and guys who will starve... promoters of major events get something called event cancellation insurance. It allows a promoter to recover at least the non-reimbursable expenses of an expense and at most 100% of the gross expected profit in case of cancellation due to non appearances of key individuals like Jon Jones or injury to marquee guys like Henderson. By making it seem like Jones refused to appear and he couldn't make him, they might be able to claim more and break even than they would if they ran the show.

If Bob Arum and a major concert promoter like Live Nation have it, they'd be crazy not to have it. It would be nice if someone would have asked Dana about that possibility on the conference call.
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I totally agree, I think Jones should fight Sonnen provided Sonnen wins against Griffin. My biggest problem is Dana trying to rally everyone against Jones when he booked the weak card and it was his decision to outright cancel the event. If there was another big fight on this card (like if they moved Vera vs Dos Santos to this card) there wouldn't be this shit storm.
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Originally Posted by some guy from Wikipedia creating a new section on jones page


Ducking a middleweight who just got KTFO one fight ago

On Thursday August 23rd 2012, Boner Jones was offered to fight small ass middleweight Chael Sonnen. Boner thought it'd be a good idea to selfishly decline that fight like a dumbass. So the retard cost the fans (some of us had fucking parties planned on that day you son of a bitch...now what asshole? Like pool parties with bitches in bikinis and shit? Fuck you Jones.) So anyways he declines this shit right? Tries to look like the hero with bald ass Greg Jackson behind him, that fucking tampon. Dana White goes all apeshit on these motherfuckers. Dude it was hilarious. Anyways Chael goes on ESPN like a half hour later and drops some bombs on that bitch. That shit was tight. And now we got Machida facing this bitch again...fucking Machida dude please dont let us down bro.
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michael ‏@bisping
Jones said he’s not fighting chael on 8 days notice. I did. …. Just sayin

TJ Dillashaw @TJDillashaw
I can’t believe a whole show was canceled because of Jon Jones!! He should have to relinquish his belt

Michael Chiesa @MikeMav22
@JonnyBones is a fraud. He’s all about his $$ but he won’t take a fight with @sonnench who would bring in WAY more $$? He’s scared, period.

Vinny Magalhaes @VinnyMMA
How to ruin an entire event #BonesKnows
Things that people learned today: Chael @sonnench is the man! A lot of people will be losing money. Jon Jones doesn’t give a shit.

Charlie Brenneman @SpaniardMMA
Me n @rick_story took a fight on 24 hrs norice!! Champ what?!?! @ufc
@JonnyBones u can send my check to PO box 198. EH NJ. Rent is due the first, so preferably by then. Thanks. @ufc

Mackens Semerzier @MackDaMenaceMMA
Cancel the whole damn event? What happend to “I’ll fight whoever the @ufc tells me to” or does that only apply to fighting “friends”?

Michael Chiesa @MikeMav22
99.999% of @UFC fighters will be “company men” and help our organization if needed. @sonnench is a company man, @jonnybones is selfish.

Ulysses Gomez @uselessgomez
Bones wouldn’t be taking the fight on “8 days notice” he’s been training for a fight for at least 8 weeks! Chael is same style as Hendo. But he said no?

Abel Trujillo @AbelTrujillo1
The news of UFC 151 cancelled is heartbreaking!!! Trying to stay positive that its Gods plan & not mine!!! Jon Jones is selfish For that!!!

john albert @UFCPrinceAlbert
I am so livid right now I was the biggest Jon jones fan but not anymore that guy is bad for the sport his fans and other fighters he doesn’t
Understand or forgot what it’s like being a lower ranked fighter like me or @JeffHougland who make pennies compared to him and fighting is
Our livelihood and we survive by fighting and all the hard work those 20 other fighters put in are goin to waste utterly discusted

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If u wanted to make money y wouldn’t u want to fight @sonnench who was just part of biggest ppv in @ufc history Really disappointed
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Old 08-23-2012, 11:18 PM   #5
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Ok, maybe Chael is the only winner today. Speaking of which, this might be the greatest double turn since Hart/Austin at WM 13.
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lol Ariel, nice reference
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Look at this awesome card:

Main Card (PPV)
Weight Class Red Corner
Blue Corner Method Round Time Notes
Light Heavyweight Jon Jones (c) vs Lyoto Machida


Note 1
Flyweight Joseph Benavidez vs Demetrious Johnson


Note 2
Middleweight Michael Bisping vs Brian Stann



Lightweight TJ Grant vs Evan Dunham



Light Heavyweight Matt Hamill vs Vladimir Matyushenko



Featherweight Cub Swanson vs Charles Oliveira



Preliminary Card (FX)
Light Heavyweight Igor Pokrajac vs Vinny Magalhães



Featherweight Jimy Hettes vs Marcus Brimage



Welterweight Seth Baczynski vs Simeon Thoresen



Preliminary Card (Facebook)
Bantamweight Mitch Gagnon vs Walel Watson



Welterweight Charlie Brenneman vs Kyle Noke




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beat me to it. I'll just add my commentary. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GUY SMOKING? Seriously, he has to know that he is selling this card and that his star power is pretty much the only juice on this card. You gotta do what you gotta do. Fuck him and this bitch ass excuse.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:44 AM   #11
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I love this shit. I hope Dana gets bent over the barrel more often.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:45 AM   #12
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:49 AM   #13
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How is this all Jon Jones fault? He has every right not to accept a huge fight like that with such short notice and risk his growing empire. Dana White proves what an arrogant and unprofessional twat he is as well as finally humbling the son of a bitch and hopefully making him realize he isn't the fucking bookerman god he thought he was. Dana cancelled the entire card, not Jones. Dana is the one who booked a shitty ppv with only 1 drawing fight, not Jones. Jon Jones is a professional fighter who is building a brand with his name and image and this little blip won't matter while he keeps kicking ass. Remember when Anderson Silva was the most evil and pompous ass to ever walk the Earth awhile back after pulling his little stunts in fights? Last fight, he was Mr. Sportmanship and Mr. Respect.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:51 AM   #14
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Dana can talk all the shit he wants, but as long as he wants to claim to be the one true MMA company, he doesn't have the balls or money to cut Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, or any other elite fighters who finally use the only leverage they have and refuse to be his bitch.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:58 AM   #15
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I totally agree James, I spent all night debating this shit with my friends. All of them think Jones is a bitch. I think Jones should put his own welfare first and it's not his fault a card went down it's the UFC's fault for having a card so weak that if it's main event goes down the whole card has to.
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That all being said I'm disappointed not to see Jones/Hendo and I would have loved to seen Sonnen get destroyed by Jones, but I can't blame him.
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Poor handling of the card by the UFC? Yes. Honestly though, I don't think Jones would have much trouble with a Chael Sonnen. Jones alludes to not being able to train and be prepared...yet he'd be facing a guy that would not be close to "fighting shape" as he is...even if he didn't get to spend a full camp preparing for Sonnen. Jones would definitely have the edge due to the fact he's been training and in fighting shape.

Jones takes the fight and wins...he builds goodwill with the UFC. He's a divisive fighter as is but taking a fight on 8 days notice to help save a card? Only builds goodwill with fans...with only goes on to further build his brand and help his career. And if for some reason he loses, he's guaranteed a rematch and has a built in excuse of having little time to train and fans would easily buy that excuse. Fair or not, he's now going to be the guy viewed as a "scared" champ...who screwed over 20 other fighters out of a paycheck (many whom probably can't afford for that to happen) cause of his "selfishness."

It's going to be interesting seeing the crowd response to Jones on the 22nd and in the future.
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It's not his job to worry about other fighters. That is Dana's job. This isn't pro wrestling, the "draw" is only responsible for winning or losing.
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It's not his job to worry about other fighters. That is Dana's job. This isn't pro wrestling, the "draw" is only responsible for winning or losing.
That may be true, but fair or not, there will be plenty of people that will take that angle of Jones screwing the undercard out of a needed paycheck.
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and it just doesn't stop. Machida turned down the fight against Jones

the main event of 152 is now Jon Jones vs.

SPOILER: show


looking forward to that more than Jones/Machida, gotta say
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Anderson Silva got in touch with Dana and offered to fight any available light heavyweight on 8 days notice not named Jon Jones to save the 151 card but it was apparently a few hours too late/after everything was "in motion". Crazy day.
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Where did you read Belfort? I cant find the news anywhere.


Also, Silva should have fought Sonnen lol
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it's everywhere, Vitor's Twitter, UFC's official Twitter, the major MMA sites etc etc
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hmm. I was checking Cage Potato and saw nothing of it. I'm okay with it one way or another, I wasnt stoked for Machida/Jones I, let alone II.
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Also, these dudes are all jokes. Youre the champ Bones, youre supposed to take on all comers, not run from someone who was gonna train for a week while youve been training for months.

As for Machida, you're the number 1 contender, you just got done with a easy payday, so you should be in shape and good to go...how are you gonna be the number one contender, then turn down fighting the champ?

Ridiculous.
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Also, these dudes are all jokes. Youre the champ Bones, youre supposed to take on all comers, not run from someone who was gonna train for a week while youve been training for months.
That sounds so markish
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Hopefully dana learn to not make 1 fight cards again.
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Bones vs Vitor? Amazing. I agree with the article posted above. This guy has ZERO earning potential without UFC. Building equity with the company and having a bit of foresight wouldn't hurt his management team.

He got some bad advice. He got some VERY bad advice.
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It would be funny if all the top fighters turned down the fight with Jones and then some under the radar guy gets the bid and actually defeats him.
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Is Dana gonna do a smear campaign against Lyoto now?

No?

So he only gets pissed when he makes a shitty card and the top star pulls out?
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Maybe Dana should actually talk to guys and get them to agree to fighting on three weeks notice when they don't expect to fight again until the end of the year. Guys have training camps for a reason. Throwing Machida's name out there while he's flying home was an irrational move.

Belfort vs. Jones is a better look anyways.
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This whole debacle really help stretch out the LHW title scene for another if Jones continues to win.

Jones vs Sonnen is going to be $$ now
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I saw Jones vs. Belfort on the ESPN ticker this morning and thought they screwed it up.
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I wonder why they went with Belfort for 152 and not Chael though. Maybe there is more money in Jon fighting Chael later than Jon fighting him now.
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Also, these dudes are all jokes. Youre the champ Bones, youre supposed to take on all comers, not run from someone who was gonna train for a week while youve been training for months.
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what, of course it doesn't. That's pretty much spot on.

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Is Dana gonna do a smear campaign against Lyoto now?

No?

So he only gets pissed when he makes a shitty card and the top star pulls out?
not even close to being the same thing

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I wonder why they went with Belfort for 152 and not Chael though. Maybe there is more money in Jon fighting Chael later than Jon fighting him now.
that plus it would be kind of shitting on Mandalay Bay by taking that fight to Toronto on 3 weeks notice when the UFC want to keep them as sweet as possible. Not to mention Belfort would already have been in camp to fight Alan Belcher.
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If you guys think Sonnen has been sitting on his ass all day playing with himself you are crazy.

To use an analogy this is like if Jones was a star baseball player on a shitty team owned by Dana White. Jones strikes out and now takes all of the blame by the owner when the owner should have recruited other players that could hold the weight if Jones fucked up.
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what are you on about, Sonnen isn't fighting until the end of December, he's probably at least 6 weeks out from starting his training camp and he fought like a month ago. He would hardly be killing himself in the gym rn.

And bollocks. Yeah, the UFC is stretched thinner nowadays but the fact is the entire thing would have been avoided if Jon Jones manned up and took the fight. You can make all the excuses in the world for him but the fact is, he is a stupidly dangerous champion with a full camp behind him who turned down a replacement opponent who would have had 3 days "full training" at most, has never fought at 205 before and possibly still hasn't even recovered from his previous fight. Did he have every right to make that move? Absolutely. Doesn't make it any less of a shitty and bitch-looking move.
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what are you on about, Sonnen isn't fighting until the end of December, he's probably at least 6 weeks out from starting his training camp and he fought like a month ago. He would hardly be killing himself in the gym rn.

And bollocks. Yeah, the UFC is stretched thinner nowadays but the fact is the entire thing would have been avoided if Jon Jones manned up and took the fight. You can make all the excuses in the world for him but the fact is, he is a stupidly dangerous champion with a full camp behind him who turned down a replacement opponent who would have had 3 days "full training" at most, has never fought at 205 before and possibly still hasn't even recovered from his previous fight. Did he have every right to make that move? Absolutely. Doesn't make it any less of a shitty and bitch-looking move.
I'm getting tired of agreeing with you goddammit. But all of this except for one thing. Chael has fought at 205 before, but this would have been his first foray in the UFC at LHW.
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I'm getting tired of agreeing with you goddammit. But all of this except for one thing. Chael has fought at 205 before, but this would have been his first foray in the UFC at LHW.
your boy Rashad is a bitch
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You are arguing a different point than I am making though, I can see why some people are saying he is a bitch (Not my opinion but I can see why others would state that).

However an ENTIRE card should not rest on his shoulders and Dana should not be blaming him for that.
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