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Old 09-15-2012, 12:01 PM   #81
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He should never get title opportunities based on that fact alone.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:04 PM   #82
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ha yeah but that Another Me theme was pretty bwadass tho/evened the playing field
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but there are also some of his songs on one of the Hardy DVD's and they're pretty horrific :S
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I think that some of you guys need to give Jeff Hardy....One. More. SHOT!
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bless him, I know he likes to be all artsy and express himself and stuff but oooofff that song
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UGH...Just hit play on that vid and instantly wished I hadn't. Why the fuck does it sound like a nuclear plant's meltdown klaxons going off (at least the screechy bits do)?
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I don't care about recreational use. There is a difference between use and abuse. When you get arrested for a shitload of drugs, leave a major company, and show up to a PPV to work a main event fucked up so bad they have to cut the match to a minute - that is abuse. Shawn Michaels got cleaned up and proved it for years. Hardy has yet to show that he can stay clean. If anything, whenever he gets (no pun intended) really high is when he ends up falling hard on his face. I hope Jeff Hardy stays clean and I don't think he will make the same mistake, but I don't think it is wise for TNA to give Jeff Hardy so much already. The redemption storyline is great and all, but it will look pretty fucking stupid if he falls again. A year isn't enough to prove he is trustworthy in this spot after his history.
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Based very loosely on our current discussion here, how did you guys feel about the way TNA handled his last slip up on screen? Basically every member of the roster that mattered got a chance to crack on him and call him a fuck up. Do you guys think that was a good move?
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No, but when we talk TNA, most things don't make sense anyway.

So he'll keep on main eventing and probably become Champion somewhere down the line.
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I thought it was OK. They had to address it somehow. His main event was just too bizarre to not address, and they handled it about as realistically as possible.

This almost feels like the culmination of all of that business to me.
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They could make a big story about how he's overcome great odds and is now on the brink of greatness once again.

They could build the whole thing around that and make it a "feel good story".

They're just not doing it.
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Based very loosely on our current discussion here, how did you guys feel about the way TNA handled his last slip up on screen? Basically every member of the roster that mattered got a chance to crack on him and call him a fuck up. Do you guys think that was a good move?
Stupid. Just write him off. Name 1 time where bringing someone's "personal demons" on-screeen ended well?

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No, but when we talk TNA, most things don't make sense anyway.

So he'll keep on main eventing and probably become Champion somewhere down the line.
He absolutely deserves another shot if he can keep clean, but I don't see how a little over a year is enough to prove that when he has fallen back into old ways so many times. Jeff Hardy should be treated like Scott Hall in WCW. You let him have fun in the upper midcard, but you never put him in a situation where he can burn you again.
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Old 09-15-2012, 03:25 PM   #94
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Maybe they had him win it because nobody expected him to, based on all the drug stuff. Bookers love to swerve.
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He absolutely deserves another shot if he can keep clean, but I don't see how a little over a year is enough to prove that when he has fallen back into old ways so many times.
1. he went to rehab, which was a pretty big step for somebody who said years ago he didn't need rehab when WWE wanted him to go, just time off/get away from the road burn out (and he turned out to be right)

2. Shawn Michaels was sent home in for being out of his tree at one of the tapings before WrestleMania X7. Just over a year and half later, he won the World title at Survivor Series. Pretty much an identical amount of time.

3. You're still saying things like "so many times" when it's still only affected his work twice. In that time he won 2 WWE titles and a World Heavyweight title, was a focal point of shows, was in top line feuds, held numerous mid card titles, participated in a million gimmick matches, all without incident. He's been back on TV for a year now without incident. Not seeing what more exactly you want from the guy.
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I think Jeff Hardy doing drugs is a work.
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1. he went to rehab, which was a pretty big step for somebody who said years ago he didn't need rehab when WWE wanted him to go, just time off/get away from the road burn out (and he turned out to be right)

It is a positive step. He left WWE for being "burnt out" and soon after which he was busted for having a shitload of drugs.

2. Shawn Michaels was sent home in for being out of his tree at one of the tapings before WrestleMania X7. Just over a year and half later, he won the World title at Survivor Series. Pretty much an identical amount of time.

Shawn wasn't on the active roster and wasn't even wrestling. He got straightened up and proved himself upon his return. Shawn Michaels also never had the legal issues Jeff Hardy has had. He came back without even having the intent to wrestle and he ended up wrestling part-time until he got the bite to come back full time. It's not so much the time frame with Jeff Hardy as it is his history of relapsing.

3. You're still saying things like "so many times" when it's still only affected his work twice. In that time he won 2 WWE titles and a World Heavyweight title, was a focal point of shows, was in top line feuds, held numerous mid card titles, participated in a million gimmick matches, all without incident. He's been back on TV for a year now without incident. Not seeing what more exactly you want from the guy.

"interfered with his work only twice" Two times is quite a fucking bit especially for a guy who you are putting in the marquee match on your "biggest ppv ever" and potentially pushing back to the main event long-term. You could have kept Hardy in the upper midcard for another year and let him help put over new guys and gain back the trust of everybody before doing this and it wouldn't be as big of an issue to most I imagine. Personally, I'd never let the guy be in the main event again which is why I find it so shocking. Like I said earlier, he is over and is an asset but he is also a risk. I'd treat him like WCW used Scott Hall. Have him on the card, put him in some feuds, but do not trust your marquee main event/major storyline to him.
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because James Steele is an awkward Greenwich-sympathizing bastard and I can't quote his response:

1. I'm not sure if you're hinting at anything here but if you are, I don't see why it matters. It didn't affect his work beforehand.

2. But there is no real "relapse" to speak of yet. He was a frequent recreational drug user who went too far one night. Since his initial burn out, he got "ahold" of himself and quite successfully did the drugs he wanted to do around his career. This isn't somebody that has made apologies or promises to get clean and so forth and consistently let people down. And then once he really fucked up and let people down, he addressed the problem and went to rehab. And hasn't relapsed since. It's not like addicts have a better chance of not doing something the longer they stay away from alcohol or drugs, that's not how addiction works. That's if the guy is even addicted.

3. I'd say working 3-4 matches a week for 52 weeks, not to mention however long he was clean for before they took the chance to bring him back is a pretty decent amount of time to "gain back the trust" of everybody. And comparing him to a guy that would immediately hit the beers as soon as he arrived at a building to top up on whatever he'd drank and taken on the way there is a bit of an extreme comparison. If he was anything like Scott Hall/deserved that treatment, it definitely would have shown by now. This is Scott Hall who's 2 last TNA runs combined were shorter than the amount of time Jeff has been on TV without incident since return.
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Old 09-15-2012, 05:07 PM   #109
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Yes, I'm hinting that there might be some correlation between Jeff Hardy leaving WWE due to getting "burnt out" and getting arrested with a shitload of drugs (more than a recreational amount) shortly after. I can't prove it, but to act like it is highly unlikely is just being willfully ignorant.
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I was gonna be gentle....just a little off the top and sides. You'd still have a skinless cat. It's art.
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Yes, I'm hinting that there might be some correlation between Jeff Hardy leaving WWE due to getting "burnt out" and getting arrested with a shitload of drugs (more jut bethan a recreational amount) shortly after. I can't prove it, but to act like it is highly unlikely is just being willfully ignorant.
but what sense does that really make? He was involved in a public protracted "will he, won't he?" schtick all summer long/for like half of 2009 in terms of him re-signing. It was quite publicly known that he wanted/needed time off for months and months beforehand. Do you think that he somehow got word that he was going to get raided and somehow fixed it so that his contract signed 3 years ago to the day expired just weeks beforehand? That the police are wrestling fans and thought it'd be a good idea not to raid whilst his profile was at it's highest? Did WWE wait until he was gone and then tip them off? I don't understand your point here. Seems like a clear case of good luck for WWE and bad luck for Jeff Hardy in terms of the timing.
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but what sense does that really make? He was involved in a public protracted "will he, won't he?" schtick all summer long/for like half of 2009 in terms of him re-signing. It was quite publicly known that he wanted/needed time off for months and months beforehand. Do you think that he somehow got word that he was going to get raided and somehow fixed it so that his contract signed 3 years ago to the day expired just weeks beforehand? That the police are wrestling fans and thought it'd be a good idea not to raid whilst his profile was at it's highest? Did WWE wait until he was gone and then tip them off? I don't understand your point here. Seems like a clear case of good luck for WWE and bad luck for Jeff Hardy in terms of the timing.
Point being he was still obviously heavily involved in drugs besides a wake & bake here and there. You just don't wake up one day and go "I know I haven't done drugs in awhile, but damn it I feel like getting a shitload of it today." I also think getting back into drugs are what led to him getting "burnt out". Is that really all that crazy of a conclusion to draw?
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and the point still stands that it didn't affect his work. That was the most prosperous period of his career. I doubt there was any "getting back into it" to speak of, everything he was busted for he could do without real repercussion in moderation. Pain pills are a part of the job, getting done for gear is "avoidable" given how the tests work in terms of your testosterone levels and you can pass a piss test in 2-3 days after coke. Which was half of my point to begin with in terms of doing this stuff and it not affecting his work/having anything to do with other people. And no, it wouldn't be a crazy conclusion to draw but I'm a lot more inclined to believe a guy like Jeff Hardy, who already has that "carefree, I'm an artsy free spirit" schtick going, is going to burn out a lot quicker than most given his style, all of the bumps he's ever taken, his wrecked body, the restless leg syndrome etc on top of the fact he's always been one of these guys that doesn't "need" wrestling.
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Risk/Reward is a part of running a successful business. TNA is stupid, so they'll throw a guy out there royally fucked up and refund money instead of coming up with something on the fly.
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