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Old 05-23-2013, 09:01 AM   #1
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People compare wrestling to a soap opera. I compare them to Superheros. Now who is going to catch your eye with that comparison: 6"0 225 Dean Ambrose who you could see walking down the street and not blink an eye or Ryback who is a monster and catches your eye?
My favorite wrestlers and some of the most popular and iconic ones of all time are:

Ric Flair 6'1 who got his super-hero vibe from being insanely charismatic and also by "peacocking"

Scott Hall who was a big guy and great on the mic' and fits your criteria.

Diamond Dallas Page who was just barely meets the criteria and always came off to me like a smaller guy who was just amazing.

Mick Foley who wasn't so tall even when he wasn't hunched over and was more fat than anything even in his best shape (shapes?).

Taz was a midget but I loved him and how he was booked in ECW.

Giant was great and had fun matches that felt big and was okay on the mic, never got into him as the Big Show.

Steve Austin and The Rock, don't need to explain these.

Randy Savage who was 6'2 and under 240 but always looked awesome and bigger than life and was believable against Hogan. Genius on the mic too.

Shawn Michaels who made up for his size by being crazy talented and charismatic.

Roddy Piper was bigger than life and great in the ring.

I think you're right about "bigger than life" characters being important, but it doesn't necessarily mean someone who just looks big and athletic. Having a look period or at least making up for it by being a living cartoon like DDP or Flair. Guys who have been way way over had it all, Hogan had a look, charisma and great booking, Austin and Rock were the same.

Of the new generation we have had a few people to fit the bill and I know you'll disagree with me on a few of these. Cena has a great look and unbelievable strength, can go in the ring, is booked like a monster most days (wolverine healing ability), can be great on the mic and sells tickets and merchandise. Batista had the look, sold the merchandise, had the ability to be good on the mic as a heel (Hollywood Batista). CM Punk has a great look, is great in the ring and on the mic and sells a lot of merch, probably pulls in a lot of tickets too.

Nearly everyone else I can think of is missing some aspect, be it that they're generic looking, lack charisma or whatever. There aren't many total packages. Ryback has no charisma and so is forced to yell a lot and most of it is incomprehensible, but he looks great and he definitely should be used and given a shot to get better. Jeff Hardy had the look and the talent, but sucked balls on the mic, sold crazy amounts of merchandise though. Edge without his beard and his sex-life was really just a guy who was good in the ring and had a finisher that should not have worked as well as it did on big guys.

I could go on but I won't...
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My favorite wrestlers and some of the most popular and iconic ones of all time are:

Ric Flair 6'1 who got his super-hero vibe from being insanely charismatic and also by "peacocking"

Scott Hall who was a big guy and great on the mic' and fits your criteria.

Diamond Dallas Page who was just barely meets the criteria and always came off to me like a smaller guy who was just amazing.

Mick Foley who wasn't so tall even when he wasn't hunched over and was more fat than anything even in his best shape (shapes?).

Taz was a midget but I loved him and how he was booked in ECW.

Giant was great and had fun matches that felt big and was okay on the mic, never got into him as the Big Show.

Steve Austin and The Rock, don't need to explain these.

Randy Savage who was 6'2 and under 240 but always looked awesome and bigger than life and was believable against Hogan. Genius on the mic too.

Shawn Michaels who made up for his size by being crazy talented and charismatic.

Roddy Piper was bigger than life and great in the ring.

I think you're right about "bigger than life" characters being important, but it doesn't necessarily mean someone who just looks big and athletic. Having a look period or at least making up for it by being a living cartoon like DDP or Flair. Guys who have been way way over had it all, Hogan had a look, charisma and great booking, Austin and Rock were the same.

Of the new generation we have had a few people to fit the bill and I know you'll disagree with me on a few of these. Cena has a great look and unbelievable strength, can go in the ring, is booked like a monster most days (wolverine healing ability), can be great on the mic and sells tickets and merchandise. Batista had the look, sold the merchandise, had the ability to be good on the mic as a heel (Hollywood Batista). CM Punk has a great look, is great in the ring and on the mic and sells a lot of merch, probably pulls in a lot of tickets too.

Nearly everyone else I can think of is missing some aspect, be it that they're generic looking, lack charisma or whatever. There aren't many total packages. Ryback has no charisma and so is forced to yell a lot and most of it is incomprehensible, but he looks great and he definitely should be used and given a shot to get better. Jeff Hardy had the look and the talent, but sucked balls on the mic, sold crazy amounts of merchandise though. Edge without his beard and his sex-life was really just a guy who was good in the ring and had a finisher that should not have worked as well as it did on big guys.

I could go on but I won't...
Exactly. All those guys mentioned if they weren't big had something special about them. That"it" factor that drew fans to their t.v's. Heath Slater for as goofy as he is and as much as I love him entertains me greatly, nothing more than a low card guy and he's pretty small. He does have the special ability to pretty much lose every match, yet still get over. His run with the legends was hilarious and people enjoy seeing him get beat, which in itself is a great quality. Santino has the same thing.
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People throw out "well Stone Cold wasn't a hoss". Stone Cold weighed about 260 and is probably top 3 in terms of personality. He was pretty jacked.
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Dean Ambrose is 6'4", Ryback catches my eye in that "hey that guy looks like he has something wrong with him" kind of way
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I compare wrestling to any sort of TV show where being an interesting character who doesn't sound like he's never said words before is more important than having sick biceps
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Exactly, and that is eye catching. He looks like he'll rip your head off and swallow your torso. Ambrose looks like half the damn roster.
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Put Dean Ambrose in Ryback's place and he wouldn't have gotten nearly as over as Ryback got. That reaction when Ryback first got his hands on CM Punk is still one of the most raucous reactions I've seen since the attitude era. Ryback was the new star people were craving and they fucking came unglued.
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Put Dean Ambrose in Ryback's place and he wouldn't have gotten nearly as over as Ryback got. That reaction when Ryback first got his hands on CM Punk is still one of the most raucous reactions I've seen since the attitude era. Ryback was the star people were craving and they fucking came unglued.
that's because CM Punk is good at his job
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that's because CM Punk is good at his job
Fuck sakes. This is the same shit people said when Cena had a 5 star match with Punk: it's cause Punk carried him to a 5 star match because people won't admit that Cena is a good wrestler.
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Fuck sakes. This is the same shit people said when Cena had a 5 star match with Punk: it's cause Punk carried him to a 5 star match.
nah John Cena's cool

although that may just be because he's not super tall
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nah John Cena's cool

tiny little man though
Cena's arms are bigger than my torso.
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that's because CM Punk is good at his job
lol. Jesus Christ.

I love how people will claim that someone getting cheered as a face against CM Punk means CM Punk is doing a good job.

But when CM Punk gets cheered as a heel against THE UNDERTAKER... umm... they're just cheering him because he's doing a good job.

It's one or the other...
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lol. Jesus Christ.

I love how people will claim that someone getting cheered as a face against CM Punk means CM Punk is doing a good job.

But when CM Punk gets cheered as a heel against THE UNDERTAKER... umm... they're just cheering him because he's doing a good job.

It's one or the other...
that's because he's so good at his job he's lapped everyone else in the company and is the best face and heel in the company, which also makes him the best tweener
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that's because he's so good at his job he's lapped everyone else in the company and is the best face and heel in the company, which also makes him the best tweener
Well everyone who attacks CM Punk should get the same reaction Ryback got that night, right? Since it's all because of how good Punk is.
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that's because he's so good at his job he's lapped everyone else in the company and is the best face and heel in the company, which also makes him the best tweener
Yup, CM Punk has officially become Hulk Hogan: put him with anybody on the roster and he'll sell out arenas.


Punk vs Drew McIntyre would sellout MSG.
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he looks like a giant retard
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Ryback never should have been turned heel. He's a natural face.
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It's like I'm banging my fucking head against the wall. I don't understand what you people don't get.
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my favorite wrestler is Giant Gonzalez

that skeleton outfit made him look like a monster
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that skeleton outfit made him look like a monster
Tht is such a ridiculous comparison. He could barely walk.
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Tht is such a ridiculous comparison. He could barely walk.
he probably did look pretty scary if you saw him out on the street though
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I don't remember the promo I saw him doing on NXT being anything special either way, would still prefer it to whatever that gobbledy gook nonsense Ryback says though.
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Drew McIntyre is someone they actually dropped the ball with, thought he was delightful when he first came up. And I still think he's delightful in 3MB
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I remember Ryback's first short promo on Punk. The "Revenge is an admission of pain..." promo. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. Fine fucking promo. And people tried to say how ridiculous it is. From that moment I knew that certain people were desperate to try to find reasons to justify their hatred for the guy.

Then the entire crowd chanted "Feed me Punk" with him but only because CM Punk is so good at his job.
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I remember Ryback's first short promo on Punk. The "Revenge is an admission of pain..." promo. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. Fine fucking promo. And people tried to say how ridiculous it is. From that moment I knew that certain people were desperate to try to find reasons to justify their hatred for the guy.

Then the entire crowd chanted "Feed me Punk" with him but only because CM Punk is so good at his job.
It's because Ryback doesn't chain wrestle and do 1000 flippidy floos and possess the knowledge of 1500 variations of a Indian Deathlock.
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he could stand to do at least a couple Indian Death Locks
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fair enough, pretty bad, although a solid Arsenio Hall impression.
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there's also a million terrible John Cena promos and literally nothing but terrible Ryback promos

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like throw us Indian Death Lock fans a bone, guy
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