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Old 08-04-2013, 02:05 PM   #81
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No they didn't. He had an eventful run on Smackdown but the fans aren't going to stick around forever if they aren't given a reason to give a shit. They didnt strike while the iron was hot because they never do. You have a very annoying habit of not telling the full story so you can try to further your argument. It's very frustrating talking to you on here sometimes. Like seriously, you need to work on that. I can't have a regular conversation with you.
Matt Hardy didn't give them enough to give a shit about. He went from a guy seeking vengeance to a boring whiny cunt. People don't like whiny cunts. WWE took advantage of the situation and had a months long feud over it. Edge capitalized and Matt didn't. Everybody can't be a main eventer. Matt should be proud of how far he came piggy-backing off his brother and whore girlfriend.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:08 PM   #82
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That Love Triangle heat launched Edge into the stratosphere. Edge was arguably more ready for the push than Hardy but the booking definitely helped. Not only did he get the upper hand in the first match at SummerSlam but he got the final say when he won a match to send Matt to SmackDown.

Of course, Steele won't agree with that. Vince/WWE are, after all, infallible.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:10 PM   #83
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Stop being such a smug dickhead. I have attested to several of WWE's mistakes in this very thread. Just because I don't blame Vince McMahon for every time a wrestler doesn't become a superstar main eventer doesn't mean I don't give WWE its due criticism. You and the Snooty Cunt Patrol seem to go out of your way to shit on everything WWE/Vince McMahon does.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:11 PM   #84
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I agree that is is a unique situation that will never be duplicated. But when half the feud is a limited character it can only go so far.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:13 PM   #85
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That Love Triangle heat launched Edge into the stratosphere. Edge was arguably more ready for the push than Hardy but the booking definitely helped. Not only did he get the upper hand in the first match at SummerSlam but he got the final say when he won a match to send Matt to SmackDown.

Of course, Steele won't agree with that. Vince/WWE are, after all, infallible.
Also, why wouldn't WWE use that hot feud to push Edge over the top and into the main event? He was more ready for it and I dare argue long overdue for it. They should have killed their next top heel just to help a mediocre midcard babyface maybe become IC Champion?
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:14 PM   #86
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When Edge got inducted into the Hall of Fame, I don't remember too many "We Want Matt!" chants and those HoF crowds are nothing but obnoxious smarks.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:16 PM   #87
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Jeff Hardy is probably going to miss Wrestlemania and come back. I've heard good things about Matt Hardy's current role in ROH. If they get their act together, the WWE will do a great job to market their brand.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:24 PM   #88
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I'd love to see Matt/Jeff back in WWE as a tag team. I think the WWE has missed out by not using the NAO enough. A small feud going into a PPV to put over Primetime Players or some other heel tag team wouldn't hurt anything.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:24 PM   #89
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The more I think about it, a New Age Outlaws vs Primetime Players feud would be awesome.
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James Steele, do you understand how frustrating it is trying to talk to you about things on here? You purposely exaggerate everything and only reference parts of the story that fit your argument. I'm trying really hard not to be a dick to you but you are making it very difficult. Are you always like this on here?
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I don't see how I'm leaving out anything important. You like to make every little facet of something seem like a big fucking deal when it wasn't. Yes, fans went nuts for Hardy but they stopped once the sympathy ran out. If only Matt Hardy had main eventers sleep with his girlfriends more often...
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James Steele, do you understand how frustrating it is trying to talk to you about things on here? You purposely exaggerate everything and only reference parts of the story that fit your argument. I'm trying really hard not to be a dick to you but you are making it very difficult. Are you always like this on here?
Says the guy that seems to remember hardy as being way more over than he was. People were against edge more than they were for hardy.
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So, you dont think that WWE could've made more money on this feud? The matches that they did have, everyone went absolutely fucking nuts for and that was even after WWE tried to cut its legs off at Summerslam. To me, Heyman or Cornette would've knocked this out of the building. WWE lets personal feelings get in the way of business far too much. They really had something special here and they treated it like it was everything else. I remember every single match from this feud and something specific that happened in each match. That cant be said for too many midcard feuds that happened 8 years ago. They absolutely could've cashed in on this more than they did.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:44 PM   #94
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I can understand why WWE decided against dragging out a feud based on a real backstage affair though.
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Says the guy that seems to remember hardy as being way more over than he was. People were against edge more than they were for hardy.
Well, that's impossible to prove that people were more against Edge than they were for Hardy, now isnt it? But I'm guessing that's probably why you said that.


And go watch when Matt Hardy's music played during the edge/kane feud and tell me he wasn't over. And that was just his music.
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They were popping because of his return/shock/the situation.

That's like saying people cheered buff bagwell because he was over and not because of his injury. People dug the story, not hardy which is why once the initial shock wore off that people went back to not giving a shit about hardy.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:52 PM   #97
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People popped for Hornswoggle all the time. Does that mean WWE should put the WWE Championship on him?
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:53 PM   #98
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Old 08-04-2013, 04:33 PM   #101
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They were popping because of his return/shock/the situation.

That's like saying people cheered buff bagwell because he was over and not because of his injury. People dug the story, not hardy which is why once the initial shock wore off that people went back to not giving a shit about hardy.
They were popping and cheering for him before he even returned returned/was mentioned, which is why he returned. And whether they were popping for him or the situation as a whole, there was a ton of money to be made off of this and they didnt capitalize on it. They chose to get butthurt over something getting over that they didnt create instwad of cashing in. That's why I hate the WWE sometimes.
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They got butt-hurt because they didn't create the Edge/Lita affair that occurred because they were on the road together working for WWE. If anything, WWE is responsible for this incident and that is why they felt bad and didn't want to push the angle further especially since Matt Hardy is on the Autism Spectrum.
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Old 08-04-2013, 04:54 PM   #104
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My opinion is that Matt Hardy was a bit shit on his own without Jeff. There's plenty more guys that have come and gone that I'm more bothered about not getting a good push.
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I remember biting hard and marking out when Matt Hardy's theme hit during Edge and Lita's wedding, and he wasn't even there.
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They got butt-hurt because they didn't create the Edge/Lita affair that occurred because they were on the road together working for WWE. If anything, WWE is responsible for this incident and that is why they felt bad and didn't want to push the angle further especially since Matt Hardy is on the Autism Spectrum.
My roommate will be very happy to hear that the next time he cheats on his girlfriend at the local dive bar that its actually not his fault but a scenario that the bar itself created.
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Old 08-04-2013, 07:48 PM   #108
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I remember biting hard and marking out when Matt Hardy's theme hit during Edge and Lita's wedding, and he wasn't even there.
Yeah. Pretty much everybody did. The wrestling forum gets into these weird modes sometimes where they have to discount everything a certain person or company has ever done because it's trendy to do so. Mad frustrating sometimes. Right now "lol tna" and "lol Fatt Hardy" seem to be fairly popular.
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Old 08-04-2013, 08:14 PM   #109
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I'm pretty sure it's been lol fatt hardy for 5 years
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Old 08-04-2013, 08:39 PM   #110
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And lol tna for 11 years
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:23 PM   #111
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And lol tna for 11 years
By no means. TNA was hailed as a foretold savior that was going to save wrestling for quite some time. To the point where anyone who was "being misused" by WWE was advised to go to TNA "where they would be used properly."
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:24 PM   #112
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Yeah. Pretty much everybody did. The wrestling forum gets into these weird modes sometimes where they have to discount everything a certain person or company has ever done because it's trendy to do so. Mad frustrating sometimes. Right now "lol tna" and "lol Fatt Hardy" seem to be fairly popular.
Much the same way as the people who worshipped the dicks of Randy Orton and John Cena as they were making their rise now talk shit on both because it's the cool thing to do. Fuck, with Kennedy he went from "he should be champion but WWE is stupid and doesn't know what they're doing" to "lol fuck him he sucks AMIRITE" in a matter of weeks.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:32 PM   #113
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:45 PM   #114
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wait which hardy is fat. kidding I know it has to be matt.
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Old 08-05-2013, 03:44 AM   #115
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I believe that WWE could have handled the Matt/Edge feud better, however I don't think it would have made much difference.

Edge would still become a world champion, and top heel, while Matt would be in mid card limbo. Matt is not, and never has been good enough to sustain whatever momentum he would have got from that situation being booked better.

I think his booking after turning heel and beating Jeff at mania is worth complaining about, more than the edge situation.
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Old 08-05-2013, 03:47 AM   #116
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Old 08-05-2013, 02:07 PM   #118
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Old 08-05-2013, 06:02 PM   #119
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I'm right on board with the Edge/Matt stuff being a major missed opportunity. The WWE missed another with Christian that year. People can say "neither Christian nor Matt Hardy would have been a long-term main eventer for the company," but that's just the way they turned out. Had they been capitalized on, had people been told it was cool to get behind them, had they not been shipped to SmackDown after losing to their rivals constantly, maybe things would be different? You can't say that Matt Hardy (or Christian for that matter) never had a real connection to fans, was never over, never had a good match, was never entertaining, never moved merchandise, never provided great moments or wasn't at all charismatic. We're talking about 32-year old 2005 Matt Hardy here -- not 37-year old 2010 "Fatt" Hardy, who was essentially the same character just older and having never achieved anything.

I think the Hardy/Edge stuff went off the rails as soon as Vince McMahon brought Hardy back. When Vince said that he listens to the fans and has brought Matt Hardy back, Matt should have called Vince out for firing him in the first place and then given Vince the Twist of Fate. Give the guy a chance to get over instead of "Thank you, Mr. McMahon. I love you, Mr. McMahon."

Edge vs. Hardy in a grungy fight should have been a priority for SummerSlam that year. If it were a No DQ Match, Hardy should have won to re-establish his presence in the WWE. It doesn't matter if Edge was always going to be star and Hardy wasn't (I do think both could have been stars), why not give the fans a chance to see Matt as an ass-kicker. If the match didn't have a hardcore stipulation, instead of ending it with Hardy getting the shit kicked out of him (yeah, that will get people behind him), they should have had the referee call for a DQ. Maybe even have it a screwy DQ call, to make it look like management is protecting Edge.

You can still do the Steel Cage Match at Unforgiven exactly the same way. Hardy winning cleanly with the Leg Drop from the cage was pretty epic. To be honest, though, you could have had Matt take a dive on Edge, but Edge move and then escape out the door for a slimy heel win. It would have kept Matt chasing him.

At the end of the immediate feud, you would have still done the Ladder Match with the briefcase on the line. Hardy could have either won this match (if he were catching on as a star after not being buried at the start), or Edge could have won after shenanigans. Maybe Christian, at this point on the SmackDown brand, I believe, could have cost Hardy the match, helping out his "brother" and clarifying that he did it because Matt Hardy's been taking his spotlight for the past few months and no one is in a frenzy about him anymore. Hardy vs. Christian could have been a fine story to tell on the blue brand.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:54 AM   #120
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I wonder how tempting it was for Matt to just crush Edge's head like a watermelon with that cage leg drop. That move took a ton of trust. Seemed like little room for error.
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