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Old 07-20-2014, 07:14 AM   #1
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There's been a bunch of white "spot" guys that also don't/didn't deserve to get the WWE Title. I'm looking at Evan Bourne, Paul London, John Morrison, Brian Kendrick. Kofi is a black version of those guys. Him not getting a crack at the Main Event is nothing to do with his skin colour.


Austin won back the belt the following night having lost it to Kane at KOTR '98.
Right, and I understand his (current) placement. I get that. And I use him as an example because he's the most over (not saying much) black guy on the card currently that isn't Mark Henry. But that really goes back to that word "deserve" and his placement is dictated by creative, really, and that's really my point.

It's easy to say a guy shouldn't have the title, when he hasn't really been given anything meaningful to do. Like, do I think Kofi "deserves" the WWE Championship? Hell no. But do I think it's interesting that he's been relegated to Rumble spot whore, constant jobber, and for the longest has had no realistic, longstanding feud, or interesting direction? Definitely. Have I noticed that trend amongst the few black talents that come through the company? Yeah. And if he was the first, I wouldn't say anything, but he's not. They changed his pants and he got some ink.

Again, not saying that black guys in the WWE haven't been given ANY opportunities. Just saying that over the years, it has seemed like less serious "okay, lets try some things to get him over" effort has been put into those characters. If you had told me in 97 that by 2014, Mark Henry would only have the WHC, and would never get the WWE Championship, AND it would only happen in 2011, I'd say you were crazy.

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Also, I agree with XL's post. Kofi is shit, IMO. Not a knock on those who like him, I just don't, at all.
Yeah that's not really my point though. It wasn't really a pro-Kofi post as much as I was bringing him up as an example. Interchange Kofi with almost any other black guy in WWE post 1998.

I thought AJ was bland and boring when she was called up to the main roster. Then she was given something meaningful to do, and she hit a home run. Same with Wade Barrett.

Kofi's feud with Dolph was great. They traded victories, put on great matches, and you didn't know who would win. You got to see a mean streak from Kofi, just like in the Orton feud. Character development, woooo. You finding him shit is completely understandable, based off of what you've seen from him so far, and what he's been given to work with.
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Old 07-21-2014, 12:54 AM   #2
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Not to deviate from the topic, but what makes Kofi "shit"? He's been in some really great matches.
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I just don't like him in any form. His character does nothing for me, and I don't enjoy wrestling style. I get knocked a lot for saying this, but I dislike his 'jumpy' style as much as some hate those who 'flip' or are 'spot monkeys'. His spots he does in battle royals are cool, but it's about the only time I enjoy him. Like I said though, this is just purely MY opinion, and I don't expect everybody to agree with me, nor do I have issues with anybody who does like him.
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Kofi's feud with Dolph was great. They traded victories, put on great matches, and you didn't know who would win. You got to see a mean streak from Kofi, just like in the Orton feud. Character development, woooo. You finding him shit is completely understandable, based off of what you've seen from him so far, and what he's been given to work with.
to Shadrick on this.

I like Kofi, and I agree with Tazz Dan here because he has nothing to do. He's most comparable to Jeff Hardy. He was great at the next TLC spotfest where he would fall off the next even taller ladder, but other than that, he was pretty useless outside of getting the "take my shirt off so the 13 year old girls can scream" pop. Then he started getting shit to do. Time to promo. Time to interact. He got pushed. He got feuds. It made people care.

And Jeff's ladder stunts are much like Kofi's battle royal anti-elimination spots... but the day-in day-out purposeless "throw a bunch of spots in a match, then job" Kofi is boring. It works for RVD right now because RVD is a vet who basically comes back to help get younger guys over.

I still maintain that Dolph and Kofi should have been a PPV headlining feud by now, had WWE taken the time and effort to build both guys, instead of letting Ziggles hit the "concussion ceiling" and have Kingston fuck off somewhere down the card doing random shit.

He's a guy who would benefit from a character tweak. Not just a knee-jerk "heel turn", though that would be interesting to see if handled well and not shoehorned in without reason. This is why I also say I'd like to see Kofi become Sting's successor (crow or surfer- both could work, but preferably surfer): he can keep flying, but adopt a little more ground, add the SDD and the SDL into his arsenal, and give him a breath of fresh air instead of throwing him into yet another tag team then doing nothing with him.







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*** Someone issues an open challenge to anyone anywhere in a manner that suggests that someone from another fed or UFC will accept their challenge. An actual person still under contract from that fed unexpectedly appears... Taz(z) vs. Awesome not withstanding... you know what, that counts, so nevermind.

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They storyline progresses on Smackdown.

A period of time in TNA where there is no heel faction and no heel GM.
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The champion usually never gets pinned/eliminated first in an elimination style match. At least I can't off the top of my head remember this happening
Happened to Chavo when he was Cruiser Champ.
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Old 07-20-2014, 02:52 AM   #4
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* A recently dethroned champion wins his 'rematch clause' match
Didn't this actually happen a few times to get over the idea that "anything can happen in the WWF" when that was the tagline they were running with in the Attitude Era?

Like right after the PPV they get rematch on RAW, and one of the former champions regains their title?
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Old 07-20-2014, 03:03 AM   #5
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But, playing along:

*** Wrestler attended to by trainer, though totally conscious, voluntarily goes to local medical facility... main event matchup be damned.

*** Wrestler does something sketchy, i.e. picks up a chair. Ref asks "What are you doing?" Wrestler actually answers "What does it look like, ref? I'm about to clock my opponent with this illegal object because I'm upset and no longer care about the outcome of this matchup!"

*** Wrestler actually gets DQ'd in a 5 count from a hold involving opponent being entangled in ropes.

*** Ref doesn't fall for Eddie pretending to be hit by the object opponent is holding from when his back was turned.

*** Ref bump happens, but nothing shady transpires in that time period. Match continues when ref comes to with no momentum shift whatsoever.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:07 AM   #6
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I think so, at WM? He dropped to The Miz I think, and win back the following night.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:08 AM   #7
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Also, I agree with XL's post. Kofi is shit, IMO. Not a knock on those who like him, I just don't, at all.
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Old 07-20-2014, 09:01 AM   #8
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I didn't read any other posts, just XL's at the top of the page. I had no idea who or what he was replying to, I just agreed with it lol.
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Old 07-20-2014, 09:02 AM   #9
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Maybe I should read the thread.
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I still agree with his post though.
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Old 07-20-2014, 09:06 AM   #11
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Old 07-20-2014, 11:58 AM   #12
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Not to deviate from the topic, but what makes Kofi "shit"? He's been in some really great matches.
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Not to deviate from the topic, but what makes Kofi "shit"? He's been in some really great matches.
I just don't like him in any form. His character does nothing for me, and I don't enjoy wrestling style. I get knocked a lot for saying this, but I dislike his 'jumpy' style as much as some hate those who 'flip' or are 'spot monkeys'. His spots he does in battle royals are cool, but it's about the only time I enjoy him. Like I said though, this is just purely MY opinion, and I don't expect everybody to agree with me, nor do I have issues with anybody who does like him.
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Old 07-20-2014, 04:56 PM   #14
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Ummm, there is a large margin of more white guys in wrestling than black guys. I don't mean WWE, I mean in all of America. Wrestling is a primary white thing. It is like asking why a white guy does not win the most awards at the BET awards.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:23 PM   #15
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Ummm, there is a large margin of more white guys in wrestling than black guys. I don't mean WWE, I mean in all of America. Wrestling is a primary white thing. It is like asking why a white guy does not win the most awards at the BET awards.
That's another good point to Shadrick's posts. If you look at the number of black wrestlers compared to the number of white wrestlers, the percent that succeed and the percent that fail for odd reasons is just about the same I would think. If Dolph Ziggler were black you could replace Kofi with him and have the same exact argument.
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BET awards are specifically for black entertainers, aren't they? That was kind of a dumb thing to compare it to.
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BET awards are specifically for black entertainers, aren't they? That was kind of a dumb thing to compare it to.
It's Black Entertainment Television. As in entertainment for black people.

Not Black Entertainers Television as in television featuring only black entertainers.

It's still a more extreme example than WWE but I get what he's saying. lol
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BET awards are specifically for black entertainers, aren't they? That was kind of a dumb thing to compare it to.
Tell that to Justin Timberlake, Robin Thicke, and Jon B. They didn't get the memo.
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Unless WWE stands for White Wrestling Entertainment now.
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There are white actors on BET though. Because the word black is in something does not mean it is strictly for black people.

Way to take a comparison to the extreme though. I am pretty sure you understood the point.
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He did it in his match against HBK at WrestleMania.
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Hardy had that intangible charisma, an "X factor" if you will. Kofi either doesn't have it or is really good at keeping it under wraps.
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The refs/security/backstage personnel/cops manage to breakup a brawl at the first time of asking.
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A heel champion gets himself disqualified twice in a 2-out-of-3 falls match.
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Old 07-28-2014, 07:10 PM   #29
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Most times one DQ in a 2/3 falls title match means the title can't be won anymore.
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Should the BET awards feature tons of obese white chicks, since it's for black people?
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Looks like Kofi might just have got interesting (or something interesting is about to happen around him).
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All this talk of racism against black guys, at least Henry and Booker have all held the albeit secondary World Championship. The true crime is the rampant anglophobia that WWE display. Why has there never been an English World Champion!? Huh!?
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All this talk of racism against black guys, at least Henry and Booker have all held the albeit secondary World Championship. The true crime is the rampant anglophobia that WWE display. Why has there never been an English World Champion!? Huh!?
There's even more SEXISM in WWE! Women have their own title to compete for as to not have them ever even having the chance to get involved in the "superior" men's title scene. SOUND FAMILIAR???
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Old 07-28-2014, 03:54 PM   #34
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All this talk of racism against black guys, at least Henry and Booker have all held the albeit secondary World Championship. The true crime is the rampant anglophobia that WWE display. Why has there never been an English World Champion!? Huh!?
Regal fucked up his chance, and Wade "Bad News" Barrett could use another year or two and then I'd love to see him as the first English World Champion. Sucks that injury sidelined him right out of the IC title. Definitely felt like they were going to give him a long reign so as to give him a foundation for his future main event push.
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* A recently dethroned champion wins his 'rematch clause' match

Add your own, please.
A champ winning his rematch actually happened. it was when austin won the title back from kane on raw the night after the 1st blood match
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:13 PM   #36
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When there's a big man in a battle royal and the announcers are always like "omg who's gonna eliminate Khali?!" or something along those lines... and then said big man never wins.
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Obviously this may have happened back in the day, but rarely happens now.
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A "Best of 5/7" Series that doesn't end in the final match.
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Old 07-24-2014, 12:21 AM   #39
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Hell, a best of 5 series where someone gets swept in 3 would be a good way to build an up-and-coming cocky heel off the back of an established face... constantly tormenting his opponent about getting swept. Especially over some form of championship.

Tainted wins would be great, but not mandatory.
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More than 2 divas matches happen on a card.
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