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Old 11-19-2015, 07:02 AM   #1
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Well, to get back on topic, CyNick said he responded to this point on the discussion of that major Bella twins angle last year with some super legit CYNICKFACTS but I was hoping maybe he could use this thread to SCHOOL US ALL with a nice truncated CYNICKFACT RESPONSE or maybe even some CYNICKQUOTES from when he already showed us the CYNICKFACTS that properly explained WWE's writing process here...

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Look everything on TV is exaggerated. Plenty of TV shows or movies will have something happen between characters and then they work it out.
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I've honestly never seen another situation in any form of scripted entertainment where two people in the middle of a heated feud seemingly became best friends again off-camera between episodes with no explanation...

Because that would be some all-time horrible writing and outside of WWE currently, even the trashiest, shittiest TV shows and movies have higher writing standards than that.
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Old 11-19-2015, 07:00 PM   #2
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Well, to get back on topic, CyNick said he responded to this point on the discussion of that major Bella twins angle last year with some super legit CYNICKFACTS but I was hoping maybe he could use this thread to SCHOOL US ALL with a nice truncated CYNICKFACT RESPONSE or maybe even some CYNICKQUOTES from when he already showed us the CYNICKFACTS that properly explained WWE's writing process here...

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Look everything on TV is exaggerated. Plenty of TV shows or movies will have something happen between characters and then they work it out.
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I've honestly never seen another situation in any form of scripted entertainment where two people in the middle of a heated feud seemingly became best friends again off-camera between episodes with no explanation...

Because that would be some all-time horrible writing and outside of WWE currently, even the trashiest, shittiest TV shows and movies have higher writing standards than that.
So no then? Just wanna double check.
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:15 AM   #3
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Fan, we just don't understand wrestling the way he does. We need to accept this.
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Old 11-19-2015, 08:42 AM   #4
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I love that explanation, though. It's like he had nothing left other than to dump on creative/Vince, so instead went with: "Don't forget it's not real, you guys!"
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Funny can be main event, DB, Kurt Angle, Rock.
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Old 11-19-2015, 10:45 AM   #6
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All those guys had a serious switch. Booker's serious switch is still funny
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Old 11-19-2015, 11:21 AM   #7
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If you're just going to put the belt back on Trips, what's the point? Booker T wasn't meant to be a long term headliner. He was just there to help give HHH more credibility.

If HHH was just going to get the belt back, this would essentially be like losing a non title match, which I thought you say kills a guys credibility.
I may be mistaken but the issue at hand was the way in which the story was told. Booker didn't have to win at Mania in a 1v1 match with HHH until they went the way they did (the racial undertones).

Would BT be on the level of Rock/Austin/Hogan? No, but not many are. Would a win have helped him to the level of HHH? Maybe.
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I may be mistaken but the issue at hand was the way in which the story was told. Booker didn't have to win at Mania in a 1v1 match with HHH until they went the way they did (the racial undertones).

Would BT be on the level of Rock/Austin/Hogan? No, but not many are. Would a win have helped him to the level of HHH? Maybe.
This. When Hunter looks a guy up and down and says "people like you don't beat people like me" and makes a comment about his nappy hair, and then beats the guy clean, you're like "oh. well...i guess he's...right?" its shitty story telling.

Like christian winning the title and losing it a week later was cool with me because of the story it told. I didn't care if he gave it to Randy a week later. The way the story was set up, Booker should have gone over. Doesn't matter if he drops the belt back at the next PPV, the story would have made much more sense.
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This. When Hunter looks a guy up and down and says "people like you don't beat people like me" and makes a comment about his nappy hair, and then beats the guy clean, you're like "oh. well...i guess he's...right?" its shitty story telling.

Like christian winning the title and losing it a week later was cool with me because of the story it told. I didn't care if he gave it to Randy a week later. The way the story was set up, Booker should have gone over. Doesn't matter if he drops the belt back at the next PPV, the story would have made much more sense.
So people like him can get people like us to slip on a banana peel, and take advantage, but ultimately the people like us will reign supreme. You're essentially just being a mark for a babyface winning at Mania. If the story ended with Hunter winning and being champ, all you've done is devalued the title by paying hit potato with it.
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I may be mistaken but the issue at hand was the way in which the story was told. Booker didn't have to win at Mania in a 1v1 match with HHH until they went the way they did (the racial undertones).

Would BT be on the level of Rock/Austin/Hogan? No, but not many are. Would a win have helped him to the level of HHH? Maybe.
I don't understand why they went with the racial tones. Again I'll bring up my disdain for the Reid Flair stuff on Monday. I think it comes off as low v brow. Gotta remember though, this was what 2003, they were coming off the horrific writing of The Attitude Era, so they probably thought it was edgy.

Still, I don't think that justifies putting Booker over Hunter. I just think the writers and Vince had a lapse in judgement as to how to get over the feud. Likely had something to do with Book being inferior to Hunter and WWE feeling they needed to do something extreme to get people behind Booker.
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I don't understand why they went with the racial tones. Again I'll bring up my disdain for the Reid Flair stuff on Monday. I think it comes off as low v brow. Gotta remember though, this was what 2003, they were coming off the horrific writing of The Attitude Era, so they probably thought it was edgy.

Still, I don't think that justifies putting Booker over Hunter. I just think the writers and Vince had a lapse in judgement as to how to get over the feud. Likely had something to do with Book being inferior to Hunter and WWE feeling they needed to do something extreme to get people behind Booker.
That is Fucking retarded. The book man was over. They just needed to push him as a plucky under dog. If he puts up a great effort and comes up short, it is what it is. Just shows how out of touch the bookers were even then.
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Old 11-20-2015, 03:19 AM   #12
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I don't understand why they went with the racial tones. Again I'll bring up my disdain for the Reid Flair stuff on Monday. I think it comes off as low v brow. Gotta remember though, this was what 2003, they were coming off the horrific writing of The Attitude Era, so they probably thought it was edgy.

Still, I don't think that justifies putting Booker over Hunter. I just think the writers and Vince had a lapse in judgement as to how to get over the feud. Likely had something to do with Book being inferior to Hunter and WWE feeling they needed to do something extreme to get people behind Booker.
People were behind Booker long before they decided to go the to the racial thing all that did was make the conclusion to their feud that much more illogical.

You asked how highly we rate Booker t I seriously don't think Batista is or was as great as you think. On the mic he's still pretty average(his last go round was actually kinda terrible) you said him blowing up in Hollywood is all him no it isn't Leviathan from OVW wouldn't have gotten the call to be Drax the destroyer Batista from the WWE however... He isn't The Rock(who oozes charisma like crazy) I used DB as an example earlier because while he isn't strong on the mic he actually does have A weird charisma that connects with people. I don't recall Batista's following being especially strong. Was he over sure, but I wouldn't rate him too far up. Nothing sticks out about him in the ring either now that I think about it. all that said Kanyetista was amazing. This last time his clothes were the most interesting and over thing about him (I'm not even joking)
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All those guys had a serious switch. Booker's serious switch is still funny
I would've loved for Santino to win the Rumble and go to WM. Just Sayin.

He's always goofy but he was shown to have a case of crouching moron hidden badass at several points don't see why booker couldn't have been the same way.
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I made it pretty clear it was about how the story line played out but cynick ignored that to push his narrative. Tho, I'd have been upset if he didn't.
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I often feel like what it must feel like to try to oppose the leadership in North Korea. I know lots of people agree with me, but everyone has been brainwashed to think a certain way, so they just dismiss what I say as being absurd and ludicrous.
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I often feel like what it must feel like to try to oppose the leadership in North Korea. I know lots of people agree with me, but everyone has been brainwashed to think a certain way, so they just dismiss what I say as being absurd and ludicrous.
The IWC are an interesting breed. Like it's unfathomable to the collective that someone on this planet could possibly dislike Daniel Bryan or Cesaro. Herd mentality.
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The IWC are an interesting breed. Like it's unfathomable to the collective that someone on this planet could possibly dislike Daniel Bryan or Cesaro. Herd mentality.
Cesaro is fascinating to me. He's clearly good, he's very good even. But this is where I'm a fan of staying of the sheets. Until I started posting here again, I never thought he was under pushed. I've always thought he was like Hunter or Rock in 1996. You could see they were really good, but had not yet put it all together to headline.
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I often feel like what it must feel like to try to oppose the leadership in North Korea. I know lots of people agree with me, but everyone has been brainwashed to think a certain way, so they just dismiss what I say as being absurd and ludicrous.
I doubt Booker winning as the better choice was pounded into our heads till we believed it.I'm pretty sure the moment he lost there was a collective WTF from people watching.No one argues the point because this is a scenario that has no justification for why it happened and again in terms of storytelling it was just god-awful.

I'd also argue that Booker's win would have told a better story HHH may have just crossed Batista once too often and it reached a boiling point.To Booker he was looking down on him not just as an inferior wrestler but an inferior human being.So by having him win you tell the audience that HHH this privileged,arrogant, quasi-racist dick is right in all he said about Booker T.

Triple H was presenting himself as one of the worst kinds of villain at that point. He should have met his end at the hands of the man who was his opposite number the man he pegged as inferior to him in all aspects.
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Daniel Bryan sucks. Although I would rather have him as champion over face Reigns any day. Cesaro is the goods though
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I really feel WWE shit the bed with Booker. For him to never win the WWE championship is a bit of a head scratcher. His one World Heavyweight Championship reigns was pretty good but really it was a little late in his career. If he would have went over HHH that would have pushed him to new heights and maybe be a regular main event guy. But he was a WCW guy that Vince didn't create so he let Booker fall into the mid card.
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I really feel WWE shit the bed with Booker. For him to never win the WWE championship is a bit of a head scratcher. His one World Heavyweight Championship reigns was pretty good but really it was a little late in his career. If he would have went over HHH that would have pushed him to new heights and maybe be a regular main event guy. But he was a WCW guy that Vince didn't create so he let Booker fall into the mid card.
So do you think Vince purposely threw away money? Or do you think he thought HHH as champ was the better choice at that given time?

We all know Vince is not prefect, but to say he passed over Booker T just because he was a WCW guy is a little... I dont even know the word... I'll call it Meltzerish. Especially odd line of thinking when a year later he had TWO WCW guys standing in the middle of his ring, in the middle of his arena, closing his company's marquee event.

Maybe your better argument is Vince is racist. Which isn't true, but it seems like it has more weight to it.
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So do you think Vince purposely threw away money? Or do you think he thought HHH as champ was the better choice at that given time?

We all know Vince is not prefect, but to say he passed over Booker T just because he was a WCW guy is a little... I dont even know the word... I'll call it Meltzerish. Especially odd line of thinking when a year later he had TWO WCW guys standing in the middle of his ring, in the middle of his arena, closing his company's marquee event.

Maybe your better argument is Vince is racist. Which isn't true, but it seems like it has more weight to it.
People who've worked for Vince have said that he isn't racist he just doesn't know any better and is out of touch which I completely believe although, Its worrisome that no one has tried to tell the guy. See: R-Truth, New Day (before they brilliantly subverted the gimmick ) I'm not sure who los matadores is offending but I bet they are still offensive. R-Truths's awesome heel turn got him far and away from only to be stuck in that gimmick once more.
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So do you think Vince purposely threw away money? Or do you think he thought HHH as champ was the better choice at that given time?

We all know Vince is not prefect, but to say he passed over Booker T just because he was a WCW guy is a little... I dont even know the word... I'll call it Meltzerish. Especially odd line of thinking when a year later he had TWO WCW guys standing in the middle of his ring, in the middle of his arena, closing his company's marquee event.

Maybe your better argument is Vince is racist. Which isn't true, but it seems like it has more weight to it.

I dont know if he purposely did it but there was more money in Booker than whst he got. Eddie and Benoit jumped ship to WWF before they acquired WCW. That's different than Booker who was acquired in the sell. They jumped ship and Vince rewarded them.
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I dont know if he purposely did it but there was more money in Booker than whst he got. Eddie and Benoit jumped ship to WWF before they acquired WCW. That's different than Booker who was acquired in the sell. They jumped ship and Vince rewarded them.
Maybe. But the IWC narrative is that Vince won't push guys he didn't create. He didn't create Chris Benoit. Yet he still had him there in MSG closing out his marquee event.

To me both Eddie and Benoit were better than Booker T, so they made the right call putting over those guys instead of Booker. But that's just a matter of opinion.
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Cesaro is awesome, but my point is that it's okay if somebody thinks otherwise.
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Agree with that. Tho I still can't believe anyone could dislike Bret Hart.
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He damn sure is! All hail the King of the Swing!
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How anyone can think that a 34-second gap between the Pedigree and a cover in that storyline is anything short of shitty is beyond me. CyNick cannot possibly believe this shit.

I also laugh at the basic implication: "When Booker T ended up being terribly booked, he ended up exactly where I thought he would -- a poorly booked upper mid-card guy." I'm NOT saying that Booker T could have changed the industry, and I'm not saying he WOULDN'T have. That is besides the point. I just want people to reflect on how over the guy was and how the WWE booked him from day dot with the company, and reflect on whether or not that might have affected the ceiling EDITED: lovely folk like CyNick put on him.
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How anyone can think that a 34-second gap between the Pedigree and a cover in that storyline is anything short of shitty is beyond me. CyNick cannot possibly believe this shit.

I also laugh at the basic implication: "When Booker T ended up being terribly booked, he ended up exactly where I thought he would -- a poorly booked upper mid-card guy." I'm NOT saying that Booker T could have changed the industry, and I'm not saying he WOULDN'T have. That is besides the point. I just want people to reflect on how over the guy was and how the WWE booked him from day dot with the company, and reflect on whether or not that might have affected the ceiling EDITED: lovely folk like CyNick put on him.
Rude and spineless. Good combination Noidy.

Do you think every guy who steps into a ring has the potentially to be a successful headliner? Or do you think some guys can only go so far?
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Rude and spineless. Good combination Noidy.

Do you think every guy who steps into a ring has the potentially to be a successful headliner? Or do you think some guys can only go so far?
Don't call me spineless, you cunt. I edited my post to protect your weak human feelings.
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Don't call me spineless, you cunt. I edited my post to protect your weak human feelings.
Sticks and stones.

I think less of you for editing. That was my point.
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Sticks and stones.

I think less of you for editing. That was my point.
I edited for Gorgeous Dale and his sensibilities, not for you. Don't flatter yourself, bro.
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lol Good post Noid, BUT calling Nick a moron is a bit harsh. Keep in mind we're all friends in the wrassling forum!
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I'm not genuinely being nasty -- sorry if it comes off that way. CyNick has just been pushing buttons for so long, I think he's earned a few "cunts" here and there.
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