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Old 08-08-2004, 10:52 PM   #81
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I think I understood it the first time
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Old 08-08-2004, 11:07 PM   #82
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Get over it.

Whenever Boston trades/gets rid of a player, they go from being loved to being hated. Stima is the only guy that hasnt been on Nomas nuts.
Get over that he lied his way out of town? that he injured himself playing soccer and should have forefitted his pay while injured, that he told the team he wanted to go on the DL during a pennent race (or wild card) because he wanted to be healthy for his free agent physical and then told the cubs once traded he was fine.

I haven't been a big nomar fan for about a year, he's been a selfish player, and a whiney bitch. He's done nothing but lie to the team, media, fans. I was happy to see him go.

I can't say I've felt that way about any other boston player traded or lost via free agency in a long time, so try knowing what you're talking about next time.
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Keep in mind Boston execs are in a huge hole here. A lot of their players are on their contract years, they have a huge payroll, and now it could go down to the wire with Texas and Anaheim to even make the playoffs. There is no doubt that they lost a lot of talent trading Nomar for Mienkey and Cabrera. With the right press they can take the pressure off of them and put it on Nomar, so they are leaking everything bad they possibly can on Nomar right now. Of course when you trade an established superstar at the deadline while in the middle of a pennant race you are going to need to try any make it the players fault as much as possible. Not saying that Nomar wasn't a bad guy or any of that, personally I like him, but it wasn't him that fucked up as much as some of the others.
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I think its pretty funny how everybody is making up BS about Nomar, and then people are eating it up.

Why would he fake an injury in a free agent year? That makes no sense. Nomar even said it himself, also why if he HATED it so bad here would he and Mia Hamm purchase a house in the area? Everybody is just making shit up to try to make themselves feel good about this Nomar trade.

Nomar even touched on that "dugout" incident in New York. He was shown giving guys high fives and everything. ONE time though he was shown sitting in the dogout, while everyone else was standing up, Nomar said that the other players actaully told him do that because they believed it was good luck in that situation for scoring runs. Now usually I would think that is bullshit in any other sport, but not in baseball.
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Pretty funny how he hurt his ankle playing soccer after he was already traded hahaha
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Pretty funny how he hurt his ankle playing soccer after he was already traded hahaha
Actually, Bob Lobel who broke it, claims he had the story for awhile but hadn't broke it...

who knows...

I believe that more then "I got hit by a ball during batting practice".

No one said he faked the original injury, but he did tell the Sox he was going to need to go on the DL sometime in the next 2 months and even commented that he wanted to be 100% healthy for the free agency physical.

He calls a radio station from his honeymoon and calls the show that's the least hard hitting and says how he wants to play here and hasn't gotten any offers, turns out he did and he turned down more money then he's going to get now. Refuses to answer question abot possible moving positions, it's also come out that he was asked if he would move to 3rd for A-rod to play SS and he said no, so theres another reason he was on the block.

He got his nose bent out of shape because they talked about trading him, geee... they have a bunch of top free agents and moving him would have been part of a move to get one of the best 5 tool players in the league, possible the best.

It's like he was "too good" to be traded, like he's the first superstar ever traded... ask Gretzkey about it...

As for the house, big deal.. he's here, what? 1/2 the year? a lot of players, especially ones w/ familys (wife only in his case) get a house where they play even if they don't live there year round.

Anyway, no, I don't think the Sox are looking to deflect bad press on the trade or team performance, I think they got sick of nomie running his mouth after the trade and shot back.
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I dont get why everyone is so quick to pointout he turned down a contract..so what? Maybe he just wanted to test the waters and see what he could get. That doesn't mean he wanted to leave Boston. I am sure he figured Boston would match whatever offer he got.

And I haven't seen Nomie "running his mouth" but I have seen a lot of junk being said about Nomar that was never mentioned until he was traded. Sure there was the usual thing here and there but since he has been traded there has been a lot of reports coming out bashing Nomar. The soccer one is the funniest by far, even if he did get injuried playing Soccer so what? Its not like its in his contract that he cant play it. Plus I highly doubt he really did get hurt playing soccer becuase that would have been all over the news in the first place. Much like the Jeff Kent injury a few years back
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I dont get why everyone is so quick to pointout he turned down a contract..so what? Maybe he just wanted to test the waters and see what he could get. That doesn't mean he wanted to leave Boston. I am sure he figured Boston would match whatever offer he got.

And I haven't seen Nomie "running his mouth" but I have seen a lot of junk being said about Nomar that was never mentioned until he was traded. Sure there was the usual thing here and there but since he has been traded there has been a lot of reports coming out bashing Nomar. The soccer one is the funniest by far, even if he did get injuried playing Soccer so what? Its not like its in his contract that he cant play it. Plus I highly doubt he really did get hurt playing soccer becuase that would have been all over the news in the first place. Much like the Jeff Kent injury a few years back
1) Turning down a contract is fine, going on the radio to "address the fans" and saying you were never offered a contract to try and make the team look bad is not fine.

2) Theres a difference... Kent was on a bike and people saw it happen... if Nomie we assume was out of state and probably w/ mia and friends... who's going to run and tell? The womens league folded... Think Mia would do anything to hurt the "bread winner" also, while his contract probably didn't ban "soccer" unlike some contracts (I remember Greenwells banned race car driving, that he did anyway). Where he injured himself not in a baseball related way, they probably could have not paid him this year until healthy.

That being said... I was sad to see Clemens go, Mo Vaughn (even though I figured he'd gain weight and get injured in aniheim) and so on... I just think Nomie wanted out and did everything he could to force it.


Look at Ty Law, him and his agent tried everything they could to get cut in the offseason, didn't work, Ty shut his mouth and is now back to work on being one of the best CB in the league and increase his value and eventually become a free agent.

Somewhere, somehow in the past few years, Nomie became more about Nomie then the team.
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Is Boston pretty much giving up on this season now? Thats what it looks like.
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Why would you give up on the season if yu were in first place in the Wild Card
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I'm pretty sure they are behind Texas right now with Anaheim within a game of the mix too. When you are looking to win a World Series you usually don't trade a perennial all-star for a guy hitting 240. They just totally downgraded a struggling team in the midst of the Wild Card race.
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Old 08-09-2004, 12:22 PM   #92
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Boston are winning the Wildcard i think, Texas will drop off soon i am sure
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Texas has started their drop off a bit, but Boston isn't pulling away by any means
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Trust me Texas doesn't have a chance, they were a nice little story for a little while but now they're proving they don't have any pitching. Kenny Rogers is the bets pitcher on the staff and he's incredibly inconsistent. Anaheim is the only thing left in the way of Boston, unless the Indians can get really hot
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Yeah, this is where you can see Texas' character. The BoSox must be pretty confident that the other teams will fall off though.
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Texas just doesn't have the pitching and even Rogers has been struggling recently
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He has been stuck at 11 wins since the break
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Anaheim took it. They've been shit hot lately and their schedule is ridiculous. Orioles, Tigers, Rays, and Royals coming up.
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SportsCenter just showed it, as of right now there is a three way tie for Wildcard, Boston, Texas, and Anaheim. Anaheim could definately pose a threat.
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Now that they've got all their injured guys back sans-Glaus they have really started to play. Escobar and Colon are finally heating up. They really need Washburn back though.
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I'm pretty sure they are behind Texas right now with Anaheim within a game of the mix too. When you are looking to win a World Series you usually don't trade a perennial all-star for a guy hitting 240. They just totally downgraded a struggling team in the midst of the Wild Card race.
Yes and no.

Yes, Nomar has a better bat then either guy, but they got 2 gold glovers, people are completely downplayin the defense and how badly it was needed.

Time will tell...
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LOL Millar complained about playing time the other day. He is the dickhead who was so sure that A-Rod was going to be throwing to him from the SS spot. He was all about getting Nomar outta there, now Nomar is gone but he got traded for a Gold glove 1st basemen. Be careful what you ask for. Millar should suck it up, HE'S the reason why they had to pick up a Gold Glove 1st basmen. He is terrible at 1st. He is terrible at all positions pretty much. And he can't DH because Ortiz > Millar when it comes to hitting. Ortiz is even worse at 1B
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LOL Millar complained about playing time the other day. He is the dickhead who was so sure that A-Rod was going to be throwing to him from the SS spot. He was all about getting Nomar outta there, now Nomar is gone but he got traded for a Gold glove 1st basemen. Be careful what you ask for. Millar should suck it up, HE'S the reason why they had to pick up a Gold Glove 1st basmen. He is terrible at 1st. He is terrible at all positions pretty much. And he can't DH because Ortiz > Millar when it comes to hitting. Ortiz is even worse at 1B
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ESPN Sports Center 12.16.03: "Repeating our top story tonight, Dan Patrick (DP) talks to Kevin Millar (KM) about the predicted trade between the Rangers and the Red Sox. Dan asked Millar about adding Alex Rodriguez to the lineup, and he didn't hesitate:"

KM: ...When you're talking about a guy who's going to be a leader and be the face of the organization that's Alex Rodriguez, Manny leads in the batters box and Nomar prepares himself to play hard everyday but you're talking about a leader in Alex Rodriguez...LA fans should be excited to get a player like Nomar. I mean Nomar Garciaparra's a two time batting champion, you know Manny Ramirez is one of the greatest hitters in the league but when you're looking at an all around great player who can hit 50 home runs and drive in 140 and possibly obviously win a batting title and with his defense, I mean A-Rod's the best in the game.

DP: You gotta choose, you can have Alex Rodriguez or you can have Manny and Nomar, who you taking?

KM: I'm taking Alex Rodriguez, Schilling, and Foulke.

DP: No, no I don't know if it works that way.

KM: Alright, You gotta take A-Rod. ...DP: You already got those guys (Schilling, Foulke)...

KM: We got those guys, we'll take A-Rod.

DP: When the season begins, who's throwing the ball from shortstop to you?

KM: Alex Rodriguez.

Yes, he thought like a lot of people the deal was done and yes, he said he'd rather have A-rod then Manny and Nomar.

No, he didn't wish nomar gone, no he didn't run nomar out of town.

You can't deny A-rod is a better SS then Nomar and A-rod and Ordonez would be better then Manny and Nomar, fielding and battings.

That being said, Millar mouting off over playing time was stupid, and even his answers in that interview were stupid. He should just keep his mouth shut, until a PR person teaches him how to talk to the media and what to say.

That being said, he has had a hot bat, but he should keep his mouth shut, since he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn for the 1st half of the season.
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I think Mientkiewicz will blossom in Boston, similar to Ortiz. They obviously have a better hitting coach than Minnesota and it seems like his type of team. When he has a good year he is good, this year just wasn't, but knowing him he will definately work his ass off in the off season.
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Went to the game tonight, Orlando made a few nice plays in the field, but he also booted a pretty playable ball. Also he did terrible at the plate once again. When is this guy ever going to hit? I am glad we picked up Mientkiewicz in the deal, I am really starting to get on his "bandwagon" he made a couple nice plays tonight and also he didnt fly out every time he was up to bat.

Also, Nomar + Manny > A-Rod + Ordenez
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Old 08-10-2004, 02:34 AM   #108
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I just dont blame Nomar at all for being disgruntled, and I'm pretty sure he was.
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Old 08-10-2004, 03:03 AM   #109
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Also, Nomar + Manny > A-Rod + Ordenez
I've thought the same thing all along
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