The "Shut up you Sheep!" Thread

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Originally Posted by GODSON Canada and UK fans is too biased.

We is?

[Nacho Man]

I want- shocking as it might sound- just one more Hall/Nash run in the WWE.

I think JBL is a great champion, and his gimmick is brilliant.

I am a huge HHH mark even though I am well aware that backstage he is a real political mover.

I disliked Benoit's title reign after Wrestlemania, and started to wonder if the bookers were right all along and Benoit wasn't up to it.

Steve Austin and The Rock were so irritating by 1999 that I stopped watching wrestling.

[CosaNostra]

Originally Posted by Nacho Man I want- shocking as it might sound- just one more Hall/Nash run in the WWE. I think JBL is a great champion, and his gimmick is brilliant. I am a huge HHH mark even though I am well aware that backstage he is a real political mover. I disliked Benoit's title reign after Wrestlemania, and started to wonder if the bookers were right all along and Benoit wasn't up to it. Steve Austin and The Rock were so irritating by 1999 that I stopped watching wrestling.

If you stopped watching wrestling 1999, what makes you think that you can comment with any authority on Benoit's title reign? Or JBL's? Or what HHH is doing backstage?

[loopydate]

Originally Posted by GODSON Ted Dibiase overrated, never did anything special and suck after 92

Clear sign you haven't been watching very long.

DiBiase was amazing in the '80s. He was the top heel in the company for almost half the decade and, if he hadn't run into injury problems in the early '90s would probably have been one of the top guys well into that decade.

If you don't think DiBiase ever did anything special, find a copy of Wrestlemania IV.

[Aussie Skier]

Originally Posted by Rob Yeah it would be worth millions of dollars of Ted Turner's money in lost lawsuits. More money than you would be paying Bret Hart over his whole contract. You moron! If that was the case, they could have gone up to anybody while under contract to the WWF and just took them. Shawn Michaels spent most of 1997 trying to get out of his deal so he could join his buddies in WCW. They could have just said "here's $2 million, come to us and we'll just pay off Vince in court".

firstly...big asumptions there.
how on earth do you know how much bret hart's contract is, and how much they would get sued. Would they even get sued anything if they just watermarked the belt?

As for Shawn michaels wanting to leave WWE, u sure about that?
he did some crazy stuff, but apparently, all the news about him wanting to leave was not real, and that the wwe made it all up

[CosaNostra]

Originally Posted by Rob And for the record, Shawn Michaels has the record of number of titles lost without stepping in a wrestling ring.

Yeah, "I lost my smile". He'd rather be stripped of a title then job it to someone. Thats pathetic.

[Drakul]

Originally Posted by GODSON UK fans is too biased.

I think its actually the USA fans that are biased.If your not from America then the chances are you will be booed.

[GODSON]

I'm talking about on here. Regal in the top 10 but Hogan not. Regal never had a classic match in the WWE or WCW. Hogan had plenty but yet Regal still above him. Same can be said for Lance Storm.

Canada is the fans who will boo you if you not from Canada.

Ted Dibiase was good but number 2 on the list? Above freakin Stone Cold Steve Austin. Same can be said about Owen Hart.

People on here love to pull for the underdogs. Guys who actually had a successful careers like Hogan and HHH will always be hated on.

[Fignuts]

HHH does not hold anyone down. Yes I'm sure he has a little bit more pull because he is married to steph, but he was in vince's ear long before that. Why? Because he is all around the best wrestler in wwe right now. Sure there are some guys who do certain things better than hunter, but HHH has the whole package. Benoit is the better technical wrestler but lacks any mic work.
Same with angle, but angle's flaw is his storytelling. The only person I could really compare him to right now is shawn micheals. Point is Hunter got to where he is by working his ass off for years, and consistently performing well in every aspect of the business.(2003 rumble notwithstanding. ) Oh, and for all you people complaining about HHH holding the belt so long, lets not forget that by doing so, he restored credibility to a title that was once held by vince russo and david arquette.

JBL
I was so disgusted when I saw JBL win the title. Now....I rejoice when he retains it. Is he a great wrestler? No, but there is more to putting on a great match than being a technical genius. Watch Judgement day. Its a really good match. He plays the heel champion to perfection as well. He is by far one of the most entertaining characters on Smackdown, and does not get nearly enough credit.

Carlito has more potential than Orton
I'm a big Orton fan. Really. But there are still some visible flaws that he needs to work around. I don't think he should have become champ until WM 21. Carlito on the other hand looks very promising, both in the ring and out and I can't wait to see whats in store for him.

[Pepsi Man]

Originally Posted by Jorgha Bret. I am just so sick of still listening to him whine about it all. He was leaving the WWF. He was in a match with Shawn. From what I understand happened originally it was written where he was going to win the match, then Vince decided that he couldn't leave with the belt, then Shawn was supposed to win. Then Vince said the hell with it and let them fight it out in the ring and whoever won won. If that is the case, no one screwed Bret and he needs to get over himself. Maybe he is just pissed that Shawn stripped naked after winnin the belt and was invited to do Playgirl and he wasn't. LOL

All I'm going to say to that is

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Jorgha Bret. I am just so sick of still listening to him whine about it all. He was leaving the WWF. He was in a match with Shawn. From what I understand happened originally it was written where he was going to win the match, then Vince decided that he couldn't leave with the belt, then Shawn was supposed to win. Then Vince said the hell with it and let them fight it out in the ring and whoever won won. If that is the case, no one screwed Bret and he needs to get over himself. Maybe he is just pissed that Shawn stripped naked after winnin the belt and was invited to do Playgirl and he wasn't. LOL

First, Vince and Bret agreed the match would end in a DQ Finish. Why do you think HHH came down there? Bret was suppossed to reverse HBK's sharpshooter and then HHH and Chyna were suppossed to run out. Then the Harts were going to run out.

Second, no, he's not pissed about Shawn stripping naked.

[John la Rock]

Ok here it goes

The Rock - VERY UNDERRATED IN THE RING, he can wrestle an hour, tells a great story in the ring, and can sell like a mother fucker, greatest wrestler ever. can do everything. Best promo skills of all time, most charasmatic wrestler of all time hands down

Triple H - STILL GREAT in the ring and on the mic, he is by far the biggest name on Raw and deserves all the credit in the world. so what if he's a politician backstage? other wrestlers like Jericho and Benoit should do the same.

Shawn Michaels - ABSOLUTELY SUCKS AS A FACE, HBK was one of the best heels when he and HHH were terrorizing the company as DX. the guy needs to turn quick. and I thnk that all this "Jesus" shit is a fucking joke

JBL - GREAT PERFORMER, his character is amazing, if he became US champ instead of WWE champ people would not have complained

AJ STYLES - AJ WHO???? The biggest highlight of his career was jobbing to the Hurricane on Metal. TNA IS A JOKE. Come join the big boys in the WWE. How this guy got a higher rating then HHH, Hogan, Foley, Flair, and Benoit is a disgrace

[Nacho Man]

Originally Posted by CosaNostra If you stopped watching wrestling 1999, what makes you think that you can comment with any authority on Benoit's title reign? Or JBL's? Or what HHH is doing backstage?

Sorry, should have specified that I started watching wrestling again in 2001- wouldn't it be a bit strange to still be on wrestling boards if I hadn't watched wrestling in 5 years!?

[Aussie Skier]

Originally Posted by Nacho Man Sorry, should have specified that I started watching wrestling again in 2001- wouldn't it be a bit strange to still be on wrestling boards if I hadn't watched wrestling in 5 years!?

ohhhh yeaaaaah, that would be strange

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Aussie_Skier firstly...big asumptions there. how on earth do you know how much bret hart's contract is, and how much they would get sued. Would they even get sued anything if they just watermarked the belt? As for Shawn michaels wanting to leave WWE, u sure about that? he did some crazy stuff, but apparently, all the news about him wanting to leave was not real, and that the wwe made it all up

How do I know how much Bret's contract was? Because it was public knowledge!!! He left the WWF for $8 million over 3 years. He was under a very large contract with the WWF (can't recall the numbers right now but it was something like $7 million for 3 years and $10 million for the next 17 years in a backstage role).

[McLegend]

I'm really starting to like HHH. I know his backstage poltics suck, but I find him fun to watch.

[Mister Sinister]

okay, I guess it's my turn to finally be able to do some talking...

As for the people complaining, that Regal's and Storms shouldn't be in the top 10, because they haven't had any classic matches...

Well it's True, They haven't, however, that doesn't nessecary, make them lower ranked...yes they didn't have the huge push and overness, because they were never really given that chance...Sid, did have the overness, because he was pushed and he was in Classic Matches...only because he was pushed and the Talent, they was carrying him thru the matches...You always talk about how HBk and Sid is a Classic, It wouldn't be shit if it wasn't for HBK, making Sid look like gold, instead of like the piece of shit that he is.

Just because Storm and Regal haven't had classic matches doesn't make them worse then Sid...Because with Sid...It's 2 matches....surrounded by 150 Shitty Matches, while with Storm and Regal, you may not have Classic Matches, but you still have 152 good matches, because they are talented, unlike the former.

If Regal and Storm were given the Push that Sid was given, as well as the chances to have as good of matches as they want with HBK at the PPV, they would make the Sid v. HBK match, look like nothing

[Aussie Skier]

Originally Posted by Helmsphere It wouldn't be shit if it wasn't for HBK, making Sid look like gold, instead of like the piece of shit that he is.

intersting choice of words

[GODSON]

Originally Posted by Helmsphere okay, I guess it's my turn to finally be able to do some talking... As for the people complaining, that Regal's and Storms shouldn't be in the top 10, because they haven't had any classic matches... Well it's True, They haven't, however, that doesn't nessecary, make them lower ranked...yes they didn't have the huge push and overness, because they were never really given that chance...Sid, did have the overness, because he was pushed and he was in Classic Matches...only because he was pushed and the Talent, they was carrying him thru the matches...You always talk about how HBk and Sid is a Classic, It wouldn't be shit if it wasn't for HBK, making Sid look like gold, instead of like the piece of shit that he is. Just because Storm and Regal haven't had classic matches doesn't make them worse then Sid...Because with Sid...It's 2 matches....surrounded by 150 Shitty Matches, while with Storm and Regal, you may not have Classic Matches, but you still have 152 good matches, because they are talented, unlike the former. If Regal and Storm were given the Push that Sid was given, as well as the chances to have as good of matches as they want with HBK at the PPV, they would make the Sid v. HBK match, look like nothing

So basically you judging Storm and Regal by a bunch of IF's. If they got push,etc. Since they never got push, why give them high scores? How can Booker not be in the top 10 and he had classic matches,great interviews and tons of good matches but yet Regal and Storm is in the top 10. Even Hogan is not in the top 10 and he had classic matches,alot of good matches,great promos and fueds and is the most popular wrestler ever. Do you people really think Regal and Storm is better than Hogan? No but since politics is the only thing you think about, Hogan gets screw. I think HHH did'nt make the top 10 either(not sure).


Why is Ted Dibiase and Owen is above Austin and Sting? Can anybody give me an argument why Dibiase and Owen is better than Austin and Sting?

[Hired Hitman]

It is personal Opinion.

[Mister Sinister]

No...What I was saying was....You came Sid is so much better then Storm and Regal...and he defiantly has the Edge in Overness, and you're right he does have the Edge in classic matches....however...Sid hardly ever has a good match...

Okay....v. HBK was good, but mostly because HBK carried him thru the entire match, should Sid be consider a God in the ring, because Michaels carried him and made him look like gold?

Wargames....Well it's hard to judge Sid on Wargames, because if I'm not mistaken, 7 other guys were in the ring with him...Plus, was Sid perfomance that electricflying? I doubt it....Plus mostly, all the Wargames matches are considered Classic, because the IDEA and the hype is great....You saying Wargames was a great Sid match....is like saying, Wargames 98, was a great Stevie Ray & Warrior Match.

Okay, now that you got his supposely classic matches out of the war, what do you have left?Undertaker v. Sid for the belt? That can hardly be consider great....Yes the Buildup for Taker winning the belt was great, but the match itself wasn't....The only thing great, well not really great but unusual that perheps makes the match stand out....is Sid shitted his panties

But all thoses matches you consider Classic, are only Classic, for the fact that they had great buildup, and were told well, not because they were wrestle well...and Sid can hardly be given the Credit for them.

Now, I'm not judging Storm and Regal....and let me just say this, without anyone getting made at me....it's my opinion and just that...a Opinion, but I like Storm alot more then Regal.

I'm just was saying, the only reason, they haven't had Classic Matches, was because they're never been pushed and put in a situlation to...Mostly because they aren't over 6'6" and Near 300 lbs, Or because they had some over the top Character....Plus they are Wrestlers....To say they suck, because they haven't had classic matches unlike Sid and should automatically, be ranked lower then him because of that, it sorta bias...but I can see why you would say that....however most of the people on the boards....which would be mostly, the Majority of the forums....Perheps Talent over Character....which is why, you see, people who can wrestle with the best of them and why, Guy's like Sid, Nash and Bradshaw get lower scores...

But all in all? Why Complain about who is ranked higher? I mean...It's not like it's going to be posted by Vince McMahon and listed as the Officiall List of The Top 100 Wrestlers ever....It's all just opinion...

And Because it's Opinions of about 250 different people....it's going to be altered from yours.

[BigDaddyCool]

JBL rocks balls.

[Rob]

Don't you mean "sucks balls"?

[tucsonspeed6]

OK, being that I started this thread, I feel that I should occasionally post in it, so here's my rant:


I hate it when people instantly change their collective minds about the product. Six months ago Kane was being over used, and anyone over 250 lbs was NOT to be trusted because they were gonna get mega pushes anyway and they're slow and clumsy. (I understand that this may not have been shared by everyone here, but if you go far enough back, like to January or so, you'll find a few threads where somebody said that Kane was just another big slow hoss and didn't deserve to be where he was.

If you know me, you know that I don't hold a lot of really dramatic standpoints on many of these issues, so whether Kane is used or not doesn't bother me. It's just the fact that nobody seems to be able to make up their minds around here.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by tucsonspeed6 OK, being that I started this thread, I feel that I should occasionally post in it, so here's my rant: I hate it when people instantly change their collective minds about the product. Six months ago Kane was being over used, and anyone over 250 lbs was NOT to be trusted because they were gonna get mega pushes anyway and they're slow and clumsy. (I understand that this may not have been shared by everyone here, but if you go far enough back, like to January or so, you'll find a few threads where somebody said that Kane was just another big slow hoss and didn't deserve to be where he was. If you know me, you know that I don't hold a lot of really dramatic standpoints on many of these issues, so whether Kane is used or not doesn't bother me. It's just the fact that nobody seems to be able to make up their minds around here.

I'm not sure if I agree with you there. I'm sure there are people who said he's nothing special, but Kane's ability to go in there and light up the ring with his character and effort give off a match that is usually a "B" grading in terms of quality.

I've always been a fan of Kane, because he was the bigger guy that had the mask. I was immediately drawn into his world, and was thinking "why does he hide his face?" when I found out I was immediately speculating on the character. Did he hate his brother? Would he do the same thing to him? And all that jazz.

Kane has always been my favourite, and I would love to see Kane go back to wearing a full mask, by deliberately burning his face. I think it would be an interesting storyline to have Kane re-destroy his humanity.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by GODSON So basically you judging Storm and Regal by a bunch of IF's. If they got push,etc. Since they never got push, why give them high scores? How can Booker not be in the top 10 and he had classic matches,great interviews and tons of good matches but yet Regal and Storm is in the top 10. Even Hogan is not in the top 10 and he had classic matches,alot of good matches,great promos and fueds and is the most popular wrestler ever. Do you people really think Regal and Storm is better than Hogan? No but since politics is the only thing you think about, Hogan gets screw. I think HHH did'nt make the top 10 either(not sure). Why is Ted Dibiase and Owen is above Austin and Sting? Can anybody give me an argument why Dibiase and Owen is better than Austin and Sting?

Remember, it is a Rate the Wrestler. You go by the character's ability to perform, and wrestle. Both Regal & Storm are higher ranked (in most people's opinions" than Sid in this area. Regal & Storm possess great technical skill, and can cut decent promos. Sid had the size, but he didn't have the mat skills to egt a really high ranking. A guy with a rating of 40 somehting has been the WWE Champion, so it just goes to show image, size and character can play a huge part in the industry.

[Innovator]

Big man wrestling is dying...

ROH is the next ECW, can challenge if it gets going as a company