Ric Flair says the most outlandish things part deuce:

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Always450 Foley is a showman, a stuntman, and someone who gave this industry everything he had, and then some. Mick Foley is the best at what he does.

So why complain about Flair's comments of Foley as a WRESTLER?

He is a stuntman and a showman, and Flair takes objection to him being Glorified in wrestling terms?

I'm not a fan, but let's think about this: A guy whose greatest moment in most people's eyes was his fall off a steel cage, who's touted as a great wrestler.

(I'm a Foley fan, don't get me wrong. Just use some common fucking sense, people).

[Rob]

I feel sorry for Flair because the more he goes on in the ring and the more he continues to embarrass himself outside the ring with stupid interviews, the more he is crapping on his own legacy. I'd go as far as to say he barely has one now. A lot of fans are just going to forget the good days he had and remember the last couple of years.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight So why complain about Flair's comments of Foley as a WRESTLER? He is a stuntman and a showman, and Flair takes objection to him being Glorified in wrestling terms? I'm not a fan, but let's think about this: A guy whose greatest moment in most people's eyes was his fall off a steel cage, who's touted as a great wrestler. (I'm a Foley fan, don't get me wrong. Just use some common fucking sense, people).

Flair made out that Foley is only good for jumping off cages and he would have been shit without it. People took exception.

Since his match with Vader in 1994, when did Flair last have an excellent match? He had a pretty good one with Bret Hart and a half decent one with HHH but that's it.

[MVP]

How can anyone say that Bret Hart was never a draw?

Bret Hart was the most reliable worker in WWF his entire career. He only missed 2 shows of the several thousand in which he's wrestled, and could carry the lousiest wrestler to a decent match. One example is Summerslam 92 against Bulldog (I'm not saying he's a lousy wrestler, but he wasn't in good shape at the time), and FLAIR HIMSELF said to Bret once that it was the greatest match he's ever seen; so he contradicts himself by saying that Bret never drew a dime. Sure, the crowd was huge cause it was the first WWF PPV in England, but Bret helped make that match draw big time.

Another example is his match against Diesel at Survivor Series 95 where he won the WWF title. It was decent for a Kevin Nash match. I bet it didn't draw well, but that's cause Diesel was champion for so long, and was failing to draw the big crowds. That's one of the reason why the title was put on Bret. He was one of the few guys that actually COULD draw in 94-96.

You guys can blame Bret for not being able to draw as champion, but WWF was shit during his title reigns cause the whole product was terrible. WWF relied on Bret to take the ball and roll with it whenever they needed him, and he always succeeded because he could put on a 5 Star match, and had excellent charisma, which helped him draw better than anyone else. I know that's not saying much since the other main eventers were HBK and Diesel, but WWF didn't have the notoriety it had when Hogan, Austin, and Rock were champs.

So before you say that Bret Hart couldn't draw, look at the whole business when he was champ. Bret Hart kept the business alive.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Rob Flair made out that Foley is only good for jumping off cages and he would have been shit without it. People took exception. Since his match with Vader in 1994, when did Flair last have an excellent match? He had a pretty good one with Bret Hart and a half decent one with HHH but that's it.

Do you think Foley would be anywhere near as big without the HIAC match in which he "jumped off the cage?"

I understand why people are offended, but this seems to be his crowning moment in the eyes of the mainstream.

[Joe Kerr]

Sometimes words arnt enough time to bring out the flair ass

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Do you think Foley would be anywhere near as big without the HIAC match in which he "jumped off the cage?" I understand why people are offended, but this seems to be his crowning moment in the eyes of the mainstream.

To be honest, I don't know either way. I can see both arguements. However, it was hardly the only thing he did in his career. Foley had great matches without diving off cages. And Foley diving off a cage made Triple-H. Flair forgets that part.

[FourFifty]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight So why complain about Flair's comments of Foley as a WRESTLER?

Because the following people are/were seen as wrestlers, and Flair didn't say anything.

The Big Show- 500 pounds of crap in a 400 pound sack. Yeah, he has been in better shape before, but I'm talking about within the past 5 years for the Show... 500 pounds of crap in a 400 pound sack.

Goldberg- Don't even get me started....

Yokozuna- With much respect to the big man, he was a gimmick who sat on people.

Vinnie Mac Daddy- He got buffed up just to step in the ring a few times and have his ass handed to him. He should stay outside the ring.

Shane O'Mac- Much like Foley, you ask people about your fav. Shane memory, and they'll tell you "when he jumped off of something high!"

"Superfly" Jimmy Snuka- (see above)

Hulk Hogan- "My grandmother can throw a better leg drop!" -Lou Thez

Rey Mysterio- I love the luchador, he's an awesome preformer, but that's not wrestling.



Now aside from The Big Show everyone who I've named is a wrestler who I respect and love to watch, either in the ring or behind the mic. I guess how I see things is if he's going to knock on someone for not being a wrestler in the wrestling bizz, knock on them all. You don't need to be a good wrestler to make it big.

*Edit- Gonna add one more person to that list*
"The Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers- I can't recall the exact quote but Lou Thez said that he wasn't a good wrestler, but he was the best behind the mic