Triple H injures neck at RAW

[loopydate]

Now would be a good time for JR to try out that new 630, don'tcha think?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman Most people hate Trips because he can basically do anything he wants. I find this factor of his character to be cool. However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that.

The problem is that he DOES use backstage politics to stay on top.

People also hate him because he's long winded and boring. It's not bad enough that he cuts 20 minute promos, he has to cut the same one every fucking week.

Triple H is by FAR the best wrestler in the WWE right now. I don't mean best wrestler only[which would be Benoit] or best character only[that'd be Jericho], but, Triple H is the complete package. He's got it all. The talent in-ring, great mic skills,

Okay, you're either taking this piss or smoking crack.

Angle blows hunter out of the water by far, and arguing Hunter has mic skills is just plain pointless. PEOPLE CHANGE THE CHANNEL WHEN HE CUTS A PROMO. I don't know why you think it's good business to turn people away from your spot.

[ford fairlane]

well if trips is out of the picture for a while it can only be a good thing

at the moment you have him cutting promos for about half the show (well it feels like half the show) to no end nothing new nothing fresh nothing original.
where as if he is out more time should go to the other talent thats being so underused

when was the last time the wwe used backstage to good effect to build up an angle or add heat from the crowd apart from the rather poor kane orton bit

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by ford fairlane well if trips is out of the picture for a while it can only be a good thing at the moment you have him cutting promos for about half the show (well it feels like half the show) to no end nothing new nothing fresh nothing original. where as if he is out more time should go to the other talent thats being so underused when was the last time the wwe used backstage to good effect to build up an angle or add heat from the crowd apart from the rather poor kane orton bit

You've never heard of punctuation, have you?

[ford fairlane]

You've never heard of punctuation, have you?

yeah its in the south of france

[Kane Knight]

That's only clever if you're severely mentally handicapped.

[Evolution]

This HAS to be good for business. Let me take you back in time. It's early-mid 1999. Austin and Undertaker were THE guys in the title scene. Hot on the heels was The Rock, followed closely by Mankind.

However, a knee injury sidelined Mankind, so they brought in former D-Generation X leader and Corporate Ministry member Triple H to fill his shoes.

Triple H, by hook or by crook, came out on top of that feud, leading to a mini-feud with Undertaker and Triple H within the Corporate Ministry. Undertaker, as well as this feud with Triple H, had a feud with Austin, Kane and to a certain extent, X-Pac.

However, Mankind came back, and due to story-telling, was back in the title hunt. While Undertaker worked with Big Show against Kane and X-Pac, Mankind and Triple H were the top contenders for Austin's title. Mankind won, but the next night, Triple H stole the match.

Austin's return over 2 weeks later (Triple H had put him on the shelf) thrust Austin back into the title hunt, and everyone was after Triple H's title, including Mr. McMahon. After time, the title scene settled down, and The Rock and Stone Cold were the top contenders for the title.

However, due to a severe injury, Austin had to get out of there. In one of the best stories of the WWF Attitude era, Austin was sidelined and Big Show brought in to replace him. Big Show didn't draw too much as champion, so Triple H got the belt back.

A VERY long-winded feud was underway between Triple H and The Rock for the WWF title. Then, Undertaker was back, and he was kickin' ass! Sharing Undertaker's spotlight at the time was Kane, so there were now 3 contenders once again. The Rock won the title and then everyone went there separate ways because it made sence from a storyline point-of-view. Undertaker feuded with Kane, Triple H feuded with Chris Jericho, who was there to fight for the title? Kurt Angle.

But the same night Angle won the title, Austin made his return. In a smart move, Austin was kept out of the title scene for a couple of months. He faught Rikishi, elevating him. Then he moved on to Triple H. He finally got a title shot against Angle, but it was with 4 other guys. Angle squeaked out a victory, and for some reason Triple H was number one contender.

Welcome to Royal Rumble 2001. Triple H is screwed out of the title by Austin. Austin is nearly screwed out of the Rumble by Triple H, but somehow manages to win.

At No Way Out, Austin fights Triple H because there is still a lot of hatred there. Meanwhile The Rock regains the WWF title from Kurt Angle. WrestleMania X-Seven rolls around and the stage is set. Rock/Austin II for the title. Austin manages to regain the title from The Rock. The next night is the re-match, but The Rock is screwed by Vince, Triple H and Vince. Thus begins a very promising alliance that was cut short by the infamous quad injury. The InVasion angle is around the corner, so to compete for the title in the meantime is Jericho and Benoit. At InVasion there was no WWF or WCW title match, mainly because there were no contenders.

Kurt Angle is thrust back in to defend the WWF's honour against the traitor Steve Austin. The audience isn't buying Angle as a face because there is someone else who they want. And they get him. Rob Van Dam steps up to the plate.

The end of the angle sees Austin still with the WWF title, but The Rock with the World title (which became the official name of the now defunct WCW title). They creat the Undisputed Championship. Knowing Triple H will be back soon and as a result will main-event WrestleMania X8 and win the title, they need someone who can be used as a short-lived champion. Enter the saviour, Chris Jericho. He reatains the title by shady means, e.g. chair shots to The Rock, nWo beating up Stone Cold.

WrestleMania rolls around and Triple H is once again, champion.

My point? I forget.











Oh yeah, how many opportunities were created for upper-mid-carders due to injury? Triple H, Kurt Angle, Benoit, Jericho, RVD, Kane? With this top guy possibly facing the sideline for the forseeable future, who has an opportunity here? Edge (with his ladder match win), Christian, Jericho, Benoit. As long as Triple H doesn't do something stupid like become the first guy to become world champion while on crutches, this is VERY good for business.

P.S. 500 POSTS! WOOOOO!

[Disturbed316]

Here is a link to the offending move, if anyone is interested:

http://rapidshare.de/files/1259435/hhh.wmv.html

-credit to Puke_boy at nodq.com-

[The CyNick]

Its bad when someone gets hurt, and if it was a deal that would keep him out for a year or soemthing, I would say it might be a good thing for the company.

However, if its only a month, or a couple of months, all it will do is heat up HHH for a return, and if Batista stutters at all as the champ, he'll be handing the belt back to HHH.

I am still interested to see what Hunter does this summer in terms of if he pulls what he did last year with Benoit, or actually lets Batista take the ball and see if he can run with it. So far HHH has done everything in his power to make Batista a star, and its been very successful, but HHH has a poor history when it comes to stepping aside.

As far as his being "the total package", I would actually heavily disagree with that. I dont think he's in the top 5 in terms of workers in the company, I dont think he's top 5 in promos, so that to me, puts him out of the running for best all aorund talent. HHH is very good, but he's highly overrated.

[olympic hitman]

The problem is that he DOES use backstage politics to stay on top.

I admitted earlier that I "disliked" the fact that "The Game" uses his political power. Did you conveniatialy skip that part? Do I need to re-quote myself as proof? Guess so;

However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that

Is this the part you skipped? I'm still wonderin' that question. You see, I[as well as all the rumor believers] have also read the stuff about Triple H and his politics. While I believe politics have kept him on top, it's simply because up until now[with Batista], no one could carry his belt. Need I remind you of Orton's reign? I don't like the fact that Triple H seems insecure enough to play the politic game, but, I'm sure ALL pro-wrestlers do it, just some are better at the game than others.....

Okay, you're either taking this piss or smoking crack

Again, when you reply to me, leave out your little smartass sarcasms and remarks. Debate me, not get into a little back-and-forth kiddie arguement.

Angle blows Hunter out of the water by far, and arguing Hunter has mic skills is just plain pointless....blah,blah, and blah....

This is just YOUR OPINION and not the view of everyone here. Yes, Angle is the better technician. But, Triple H is better than Angle in some ways as well. Hunter can tell stories in his matches and do things others simply cannot. Although I don't consider myself the biggest HHH fan on the planet, I do believe in giving credit where it's due. I also realize Angle is great. However, it's hard to compare the two. Although both have seperate styles, they are virtually the same. They win alot and lose very little. Both are the best of their brands[RAW & SD].

Each are special in their own ways, which was my initial point[which you missed]. Does Trips stay on top unfairly? YES, any idiot can see it. He's in the McMahon family. Meaning he can do WHATEVER, WHENEVER.

Anyway, let's just hope this injury thing isn't all that bad and the show will go on....

[PureHatred]

I know its an opinion thing, but you went out on a limb and said Trips was the best wrestler "by far."

You could argue that not only Angle, but Jericho, and maybe even Eddie Guerrero are better in the ring AND on the mic. And to be fair, you did say that you would lose respect "if" he used backstage politics. Then in your very next post you act like it's soo obvious he's playing the political game, etc....

Basically, you contradicted yourself which made your whole argument sound stupid.

Not to mention the whole "no one could carry his belt up until this point" which totally ignores the last couple of years n the WWE where Hunter buried Jericho, made Benoit's reign look insignificant, and killed off the heatthat his feuds with Booker T and Kane had by refusing to do the job. Oh yeah, and that whole ruining Goldberg's entire run in the WWE which should've made huge money and turned into a pointless joke.

I like some of Trips earlier work and he's still a capable heel; its just tiresome to have him dominating the show so much.

[Fox]

Why is it that anyone who disagrees with olympic hitman is apparently putting forth an immature "kiddie argument," when he himself contradicts his own statements in a single post and can't seem to make a point and stick to it?

"All pro wrestlers do it, some wrestlers are better at it (the politic game) than others..." yet "Does Trips stay on top unfairly? Yes. Any idiot can see that. He's in the McMahon family."

To say that no one was capable of carrying the World Title other than Triple H and BATISTA is to demean the undeniable talents of Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Kane (a year ago), Booker T (2 years ago) and even Edge. Triple H isn't the champion because he's the only one that's qualified - he's the champion because he MAKES HIMSELF the champion with his backstage politics, whilst burying aforementioned superstars.

Triple H deserved the title when he was drawing in 2000 and 2001, but he has held the title for nearly three years now without giving anyone else a chance to get over with the belt. Don't try and hide this FACT, because there is no way to deny it.

[Corkscrewed]

Originally Posted by loopydate Now would be a good time for JR to try out that new 630, don'tcha think?

I would SO pay to see that!

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman I admitted earlier that I "disliked" the fact that "The Game" uses his political power. Did you conveniatialy skip that part? Do I need to re-quote myself as proof? Guess so;

No, you STATED that you wouldn't respect him IF he did.

However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that

You even quote yourself saying that, trying to tell me that you're saying that you disliked it. Fucking liar. IF you were TRYING to say it, you failed. What you DID say did not in ANY way state that he WAS using it, it established a hypothetical situation. For someone who tried to pull the "if you know what infer means" nonsense, it'd be nice if you looked at what your own writing states before getting pissing about someone selectively missing something.

Is this the part you skipped? I'm still wonderin' that question. You see, I[as well as all the rumor believers] have also read the stuff about Triple H and his politics. While I believe politics have kept him on top, it's simply because up until now[with Batista], no one could carry his belt. Need I remind you of Orton's reign? I don't like the fact that Triple H seems insecure enough to play the politic game, but, I'm sure ALL pro-wrestlers do it, just some are better at the game than others.....

And some marry the boss' daughter. but you're wrong. PLENTY of people could carry the title, and draw better than Triple H. Again, when people TUNE OUT on your segments, you're doing a bad job.

Still, you're arguing him being a strong player, and politics doesn't play into that. If he was a strong player, his ratings would be the best in the biz. Or at least up there. Instead of a snoregasm.

Again, when you reply to me, leave out your little smartass sarcasms and remarks. Debate me, not get into a little back-and-forth kiddie arguement.

No.

Especially not from some semiliterate buffoon who makes such demands of me.

This is just YOUR OPINION and not the view of everyone here. Yes, Angle is the better technician. But, Triple H is better than Angle in some ways as well. Hunter can tell stories in his matches and do things others simply cannot. Although I don't consider myself the biggest HHH fan on the planet, I do believe in giving credit where it's due. I also realize Angle is great. However, it's hard to compare the two. Although both have seperate styles, they are virtually the same. They win alot and lose very little. Both are the best of their brands[RAW & SD].

Of course it's my opinion. And also the opinion of the viewers, evidently. Even with a piss poor show and bad booking, Angle can still draw, get fan reactions, etc. Triple H can't even do that when he's forcing himself on us.

And no. There are better on Raw. Hell, I'd put Michaels up above HHH. Jericho's a better mic and AND in-ring performer. v And the beautiful thing? It's an opinion backed up by the fact that they can. Actually. Get. Crowd. Reactions.

(By the way, I respect those that earn respect. If you're going to pull the route of the average moron who has to tell me "that's your opinion," you don't deserve that level of respect. Seriously. Of course it's my opinion. We're talking about the better performer. It's already udnerstood by everyone with an IQ of double digits or better)

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by PureHatred I know its an opinion thing, but you went out on a limb and said Trips was the best wrestler "by far." You could argue that not only Angle, but Jericho, and maybe even Eddie Guerrero are better in the ring AND on the mic. And to be fair, you did say that you would lose respect "if" he used backstage politics. Then in your very next post you act like it's soo obvious he's playing the political game, etc.... Basically, you contradicted yourself which made your whole argument sound stupid. Not to mention the whole "no one could carry his belt up until this point" which totally ignores the last couple of years n the WWE where Hunter buried Jericho, made Benoit's reign look insignificant, and killed off the heatthat his feuds with Booker T and Kane had by refusing to do the job. Oh yeah, and that whole ruining Goldberg's entire run in the WWE which should've made huge money and turned into a pointless joke. I like some of Trips earlier work and he's still a capable heel; its just tiresome to have him dominating the show so much.

I want to see Hunter from 2000 or so back. He isn't and won't be the best, but he was watchable.

But I guess Olympic Hitman is right. I mean, no-one can carry his belt. Mostly because he's booking himself as unbeatable, but still.

And the fact that it makes his argument intellectually dishonest, on top of scattered and hipocritical is really meaningless.

[Afterlife]

Wow. Olympic Hitman sure put things in perspective when he called Trips the "best by far". I mean, really; only a champion needs a sledge hammer in sixty per cent of his matches. Excellent point, shmuck. That's why it always bugs me when H calls himself "the best": Because Angle is a heel without cheating; he's a heel because he's a dick. If H was just a dick and a good wrestler, that'd be one thing. But even in the unnecessary handicap match that injured him, he couldn't win it clean, what with taking the fight outside the ring. I don't know how long it's been since I've seen "the best" actually WIN a match.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Afterlife Wow. Olympic Hitman sure put things in perspective when he called Trips the "best by far". I mean, really; only a champion needs a sledge hammer in sixty per cent of his matches. Excellent point, shmuck. That's why it always bugs me when H calls himself "the best": Because Angle is a heel without cheating; he's a heel because he's a dick. If H was just a dick and a good wrestler, that'd be one thing. But even in the unnecessary handicap match that injured him, he couldn't win it clean, what with taking the fight outside the ring. I don't know how long it's been since I've seen "the best" actually WIN a match.

I disagree. It doesn't matter as much how he wins a match as it does how he handles it. Almost every heel champ calls themselves "the best." JBL called himself a "wrestling God." The difference is he was actually a good heel. While I hate the backstage guy, the persona, the on mic persona is fucking amazing. While the lack of ANY credible wins did hurt him, he was in a better boat than HHH because:

1. People knew he would drop the belt eventually, not just drop it only to get it back 2 months later for an 8-10 month reign.
2. His promos were gold. He may suck in ring compared to many of the talents on both shows, but he is one of the best with a mic.
3. While his title reign was long, it wasn't totally monotonous. Triple H's title reign has really been almost 3 years, despite brief breaks in his ownership. Nobody's been able to get over as a possible champ because of the glass ceiling, and the fact that he's always the main event even when he loses the title. You may not like the folks vying for the title on Smackdown right now, but it's easier to believe they COULD become champion.

Honestly, if Triple H wasn't so boring, and if he didn't dominate the title ad nauseum, I wouldn't give a shit about him winning with a sledge hammer so often.

[olympic hitman]

I knew I'd catch some heat once I replied to this, seeing as most people believe the rumors and misconceptions that are rampant on the "net" about HHH.


I will admit, it does seem that he has some stroke with the backstage portion of the shows.

And once again, Kane Knight, you are putting words into my mouth that weren't there to begin with. I said ;

However, if he does employ his backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that.

This is getting ridiculous. Let me emphasize it for ya dude, WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT that HHH does the politics thing, as most final decisions are Vince McMahon's to make. Last time I checked, McMahon was still CEO and Chairman of the WWE. Which simply means he calls the shots, not HHH.

However, I'm not defending HHH. I happen to think his outrageously long title reigns are gettin' old. I'd much rather see Edge or Christian where HHH is, but, it's doubtful that will happen unless Trips's neck is severly injured and he is out 6 months to a 1 year,

Knight, you don't seem to realize somethin'. We actually agree upon some things. Open your eyes and see that, instead of always flaming and judging me. I'm sure HHH is no different than any other main-eventer. He's a proven winner in a time of few stars. I don't see anyone on RAW currently who could make the kinda impact "The Game" has been making, can you?

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman Let me emphasize it for ya dude, WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT that HHH does the politics thing, as most final decisions are Vince McMahon's to make.

Saying we don't know for a fact that Trips is a politician backstage is like saying that we don't know for a fact that Dubya lied to get us into Iraq. Maybe there's not a public admission, but the circumstancial evidence is a little overwhelming.

Beyond the reports of Hunter sitting in on writers' meetings and showing up at Smackdown tapings to 'talk to the guys,' there's the very real interview that Linda Mcmahon gave to the Wallstreet Journal last year where she was asked about Hunter and went on and on about how talented her son-in-law was and how valuable his input to the creative process was.

And of course there are the dozens of interviews done on radio and the web by former wrestlers who know they're never going back to the WWE talking about the backstage politics: DDP, Chris Kanyon, Mike Awesome....jesus, Bill Goldberg went on several nationally syndicated radio and television programs to talk about ..,.how did he put it...how "Vince was doing all the talking but Triple H was the one with the hand up his [vince's] ass."

So, yes, Vince has final say. And yes, all main eventers have used politics. Hell, Hulk Hogan might be one of the great political animals of our time, wrestling or otherwise. And yes, it may even seem normal that Trips gets say in the product since he may end up as real life CEO in a few years. But that doesn't mean that its enjoyable that he uses his stroke backstage to keep himself in the main event when he bores many fans to the point where they change the channel, despite what you keep saying about how Triple H is "by far' the best wrestler in the WWE or how no one else can "carry his belt."

[olympic hitman]

For the LAST time, let me clarify my views on Triple H;

Yes, I did say he's the "best by far", which he is. Tell me ONE single guy who has been in as many gimmick matches, stuck by the company when others[Austin, Rock] were leaving.....NOPE, none. Triple H was champion and is in the position he's in because he's smart. He's been loyal to the company that made him and we're simply seeing some of the payoff for that loyalty. To say anything different would be a new level of denial.....

And yes, it is obvious Triple H is a politician. It doesn't take a scientist to analyze a 2-hour show[RAW] in which HHH takes up at least one of those two hours each week for people to realize he's the one pulling the strings. However, I'm simply saying that Triple H is the closest thing to what Ric Flair was for WCW[which is the franchise guy for that company, in this case HHH is the main man for WWE]. Is this because of his relationship with Steph? Again, Ray Charles could've called that one, pal . There are masters of the obvious running rampant around here. "Triple H is a politician". WOW! I'm sure glad someone pointed that out, or I may have missed it.......

My conclusion; Triple H being out is a bad thing. Like it or not, the WWE usually "puts over" new guys through Triple H[Shelton Benjamin, Chris Benoit's first title reign, Batista's reign, etc]. Am I blind? No. Triple H also being out could be a good thing. That means spots will open up and guys will get opportunities they may not have had if Trips had still been around.

I just think it's a shame that people are celebrating when a man's livelihood and life could be jeopordized. After all, Triple H is human too

[Fox]

Dude, you and your arguments continue to lose credibility as you continually contradict yourself!

Olympic Hitman: This is getting ridiculous. Let me emphasize it for ya dude, WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT that HHH does the politics thing, as most final decisions are Vince McMahon's to make.

Olympic Hitman: And yes, it is obvious Triple H is a politician. It doesn't take a scientist to analyze a 2-hour show[RAW] in which HHH takes up at least one of those two hours each week for people to realize he's the one pulling the strings.


Don't you see how those two statements are nearly extreme polar opposites? You dumb fuckwit - don't try and play both sides of the field when everyone arguing against you makes you look like a total moron. Either you don't believe he's a politician, as you said in your first statement - or you do believe he's a politician, as you said in your second statement.

Loyalty has nothing to do with it. There are lots of guys who have busted their asses for the WWE and been extremely loyal who continue to get shit on for no particular reason (Matt Hardy, Test, and Chris Jericho as prime examples). Say I'm suffering from an extreme case of denial if you want, but Triple H's loyalty is about 10% of why he's been booked as an unstoppable heel in his own league above all others. The other 90% consists of his marriage to Stephanie McMahon and the fact that he sits in on the god damn booking meetings which in turn allows him to make himself look like a god compared to all others.

Word to the wise - you have made your supposed "point" several times in this thread - best to just let it go, don't reply to my post, and let this thread die, as you have been made to look like a complete jackass at every turn.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by olympic hitman I knew I'd catch some heat once I replied to this, seeing as most people believe the rumors and misconceptions that are rampant on the "net" about HHH. I will admit, it does seem that he has some stroke with the backstage portion of the shows. And once again, Kane Knight, you are putting words into my mouth that weren't there to begin with. I said ; This is getting ridiculous. Let me emphasize it for ya dude, WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT that HHH does the politics thing, as most final decisions are Vince McMahon's to make. Last time I checked, McMahon was still CEO and Chairman of the WWE. Which simply means he calls the shots, not HHH. However, I'm not defending HHH. I happen to think his outrageously long title reigns are gettin' old. I'd much rather see Edge or Christian where HHH is, but, it's doubtful that will happen unless Trips's neck is severly injured and he is out 6 months to a 1 year, Knight, you don't seem to realize somethin'. We actually agree upon some things. Open your eyes and see that, instead of always flaming and judging me. I'm sure HHH is no different than any other main-eventer. He's a proven winner in a time of few stars. I don't see anyone on RAW currently who could make the kinda impact "The Game" has been making, can you?

You really are just a dumb little kid, aren't you? You contradicted yourself AGAIN. Too easy.

Fox has covered this well enough, I'm not going to bother arguing with you until youfigure out which side you're arguing and stop backtracking.

[Funky Fly]

Originally Posted by loopydate Now would be a good time for JR to try out that new 630, don'tcha think?

Jerelle Ross?

[James Steele]

FUCK THAT.


Good Ole' JR should do his often imitated, never duplicated patented "Boomer Sooner BBQ 1080 Splash"

[James Steele]

or the "Bah GawDDT"

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by JamesSteele FUCK THAT. Good Ole' JR should do his often imitated, never duplicated patented "Boomer Sooner BBQ 1080 Splash"

Don't forget the "Slobberknocker shuffle."

[olympic hitman]

How am I contradicting myself? I said "if Triple H were staying on top because of politics, I wouldn't respect it"[or something like that ]. Which is true. How can we be 100% sure Triple H makes ALL of the decisions? We don't know that. The only way we'd ABSOLUTELY know would be being there and experiencing it;

However, I also said it appears as if Triple H is a politician if RUMORS were true[remember, we are on a RUMOR MESSAGE BOARD ]. It's obvious he is involved in politics when he takes an hour out of a two-hour show. How deeply is he involved in the actual "politics" side of things? Again, we have NO WAY of knowing that.

I'm sure to most, it seems as though I'm contradicting myself, but, read in between the lines. Where I stand on the issue is crystal clear; We don't know if Triple H is a politician[for a fact] although it seems as though he is. Who's to say Stephanie isn't the one who wants to keep Triple H at the top? Or Vince? Perhaps Vince has some reasons for wanting to keep Triple H at the top. Triple H has put people over and lost the title before, which shows he's willing to do what he's told. Who's to say he wouldn't do it again?

I just think it's irrational and pathetic that people are celebrating the fact that Triple H could possibly be injured....

[Kane Knight]

It's crystal clear if you're two people.

You keep redefining what you said when challenged on it.

It'd be easier if you just admitted you were clueless and moved on, but hey, I don't care. Every time you create one of your masterpiece whine fests, I amuse myself for another 45 seconds...

Nope, we don't know he does.

The 56415618746516846514q year title reign has nothing to do with it.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by MiguelBahena Nope, we don't know he does. The 56415618746516846514q year title reign has nothing to do with it.

Well, in fairness, that could just be the total stupidity of the booking team.

There's also a chance I'm posting this from Mars, via a FTL radio signal...

And a chance that Olympic Hitman is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Oh, I'm sorry, he'sus.

[loopydate]

Joshua, you blasphemous jerk!

[Innovator]

If JR ever pulled off a 630 I would lose bowel control, that'd be simply amazing

[loopydate]

He'd get up, and yell "Diving headbutt!"

[PureHatred]

JR's in ring shape, bitches.

[Jaded-Dragon]

I honestly don't understand why Vince allows it to continue. Son-in-law or not, if you look at the ratings since 2001, when Triple H started owning the main event, they have gone nowhere but down. He hasn't had an entertaining match since Benoit at No Mercy. His promos are an obvious bore. They are all the same tone and basically say the same thing.

"You're climbing up the mountain right now, but this sunday... I am going to
KNOCK.
YOU.
DOWN."

"This Sunday at "insert PPV name here", I am going to show you why
I.
AM.
THE GAME."

"You think you're better than me, but you're not. And this Sunday at "insert name of ppv here" I am going to
KICK.
YOUR.
ASS."

For the love of god, do something different.

The sledge hammer bit was old after WM18. Is that your way of putting people over? Oh my god, I can't beat them on my own, let me use a sledge hammer, or outside interference from Ric? Give me a break.

RVD should of gotten a push, Jericho should of kept his push, Benoit should of kept his push, Christian should get a push, Booker should of won at WM19. We all know why none of these things ever happened, and the answer is that they make Triple H look bad in the ring. They are all more charasmatic, talented in the ring and/or on the mic, and they are a threat to Triple H's spot, and he knows it.

Maybe I'm nuts, but I would of taken Matt Hardy vs Christian for the world title over Triple H vs Batista or Orton, any day of the week. Lord only knows why the WWE is still so keen on using the hoss's. I think WCW's cruiser weight division, and the on-going popularity of ECW show that people really don't want to see, 6'6" 300+lbs guys that suck ass in the ring, anymore. But hey, that's just me, and I digress from my point.

I still maintain that karma is a bitch, and if Trips is out for 6 months to a year, then that's a good thing.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by loopydate He'd get up, and yell "Diving headbutt!"

BAH GAWD! LOOPY HAS SET A NEW STANDARD FOR THIS THREAD! THIS FONT FACE AIN'T MADE OF REESES PIECES!

[Shadow]

OH...you were doing so well!

But seriouslly folks, HHH and his politics suck ass. He kills pushes like Jericho's, Booker T's, RVD and so on and so forth. The carears he's ruined, the money he's taken, it's inexcusable. He's a very bad wrestler, he has terrible mic skills, and is just all around terrible.

Sorry OH...but it's definitly true. The only good thing about HHH is other wrestler's learn from him. And there's one man who I think learned the most from HHH.

Kurt Fucking Angle.

Nuff said.

*takes a hit*

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Jaded-Dragon I honestly don't understand why Vince allows it to continue. Son-in-law or not, if you look at the ratings since 2001, when Triple H started owning the main event, they have gone nowhere but down. He hasn't had an entertaining match since Benoit at No Mercy. His promos are an obvious bore. They are all the same tone and basically say the same thing. "You're climbing up the mountain right now, but this sunday... I am going to KNOCK. YOU. DOWN." "This Sunday at "insert PPV name here", I am going to show you why I. AM. THE GAME." "You think you're better than me, but you're not. And this Sunday at "insert name of ppv here" I am going to KICK. YOUR. ASS." For the love of god, do something different. The sledge hammer bit was old after WM18. Is that your way of putting people over? Oh my god, I can't beat them on my own, let me use a sledge hammer, or outside interference from Ric? Give me a break. RVD should of gotten a push, Jericho should of kept his push, Benoit should of kept his push, Christian should get a push, Booker should of won at WM19. We all know why none of these things ever happened, and the answer is that they make Triple H look bad in the ring. They are all more charasmatic, talented in the ring and/or on the mic, and they are a threat to Triple H's spot, and he knows it. Maybe I'm nuts, but I would of taken Matt Hardy vs Christian for the world title over Triple H vs Batista or Orton, any day of the week. Lord only knows why the WWE is still so keen on using the hoss's. I think WCW's cruiser weight division, and the on-going popularity of ECW show that people really don't want to see, 6'6" 300+lbs guys that suck ass in the ring, anymore. But hey, that's just me, and I digress from my point. I still maintain that karma is a bitch, and if Trips is out for 6 months to a year, then that's a good thing.

The thing is, there are so many scapegoats, and they're free to sit on their asses and blame those internet smarks, or the cyclical nature of the business, or the fact that Mercury's in retrograde, or the economy, or the fact that Vince got VD from a 12year old fillipino boy...

Look at it this way: The music industry and movie industry have both attacked the internet as the source of their sales and piracy issues. They don't even have a son-in-law issue, they're just blaming an easy target instead of addressing the real issues.

I doubt many people in the WWE want to admit that Triple H is not a draw. That's like screaming "DIE MOTHERFUCKER" at the PResident and then charging...You'll get taken down, possibly out. OF cours,e one's career suicide and the other's just plain suicide, but you get the point.

The fact that the WWE is so much an old boy's club with favorites and politics makes it easier to look for excuses.

[PureHatred]

Didn't Pat Patterson "part ways" with the WWE after Taboo Tuesday because he tried to vioce his opinion on this?

[PureHatred]

Nevermind, did my own research. posted 10/18:

"As most of you have read, longtime creative force Pat Patterson is resigning, with his last day being the Taboo Tuesday PPV.

Patterson's decision to resign was the result of his being willing to point out to Vince McMahon what many wrestling fans have been saying for years...that the mega-push of McMahon son-in-law Triple H is killing the RAW brand. He said to McMahon, in short that HHH's mega-push overshadows RAW to the detriment of the other characters. Patterson, said as so many others have said, that if a greater variety of characters and storylines were fully developed, it would benefit business.

Patterson gave his opinions after traveling to several Raw house shows, with McMahon not being willing to hear Patterson's side of the story, which resulted in Patterson's resignation giving notice that he was leaving the company.

If Vince McMahon is willing to ignore one of his most trusted advisors, and to allow him to become so disaffected that he leaves the company that many feel he played a major part in building; only to take the side of his daughter's husband as the star of his flagship cable program...then it's become clear that McMahon's judgement regarding HHH is just personal now...and no longer strictly business."