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**VonErich Lives** · 01-19-2004, 05:04 PM

I'm not saying he's the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or something... But this kid doesn't get enough credit.

3 years stats

2001 14gs 63.9% 2843yds 18TD 12Int 86.5% Rating
2002 16gs 62.1% 3764yds 28TD 14Int 85.7% Rating
2003 16gs 60.2% 3620yds 23TD 12Int 85.9% Rating

Not 1/2 bad... considering he's had a questionable running game, a blue collar line and avg WR's. Oh yeah, and he's 5-0 in the playoffs, 1 division title, 2 confrence titles, 1 superbowl win.

Take a look at Montana's first couple of years... and even some of the later years.
Montana had a better running game and better wr's.

http://www.profootballhof.com/index....&note_id=10373

Now, I'm not calling Brady, the next Montana, we'll know in 10yrs... But let's remember, Montana was never the "Deep Passer" or "Big, Strong Armed" like Manning or Marino. He was a smart qb, made good decisions and didn't crack under pressure.

**The Miz** · 01-19-2004, 05:05 PM

lol spaz

i don't see how you can choose to sit out when you're the best player on your team and your season's on the line. players have played through worse.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-19-2004, 05:12 PM

I heard Reid wouldn't let him back in but who knows

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-19-2004, 05:13 PM

I would put the blame on the Eagles WR.......they suck ass

The Panthers had the conors play man all day....and since the WR couldnt get free the safeties didnt need to help so they could just play the run.

Eagles = JV Version of the Buffallo Bills (in the 90's)

**VonErich Lives** · 01-19-2004, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

lol spaz

i don't see how you can choose to sit out when you're the best player on your team and your season's on the line. players have played through worse.

So you think.

You have no idea what the pain was like, or what the injury was.

What if he played and threw pics because he couldn't complete the throwing motion?

**The Miz** · 01-19-2004, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

I heard Reid wouldn't let him back in but who knows

if that's the case, my bad.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-19-2004, 05:15 PM

either way though, McNabb and the Eagles should be feeling like shit.....Losing 3 staright NFC Championship games and 2 staright at home..that must suck haha

**The Miz** · 01-19-2004, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

So you think.

You have no idea what the pain was like, or what the injury was.

What if he played and threw pics because he couldn't complete the throwing motion?

his presence alone can create something. eagles players & eagles fans can rally behind a 50% donovan mcnabb much quicker than they can a 100% koy detmer. once detmer was in everyone knew the game was over.

**#1-norm-fan** · 01-19-2004, 07:44 PM

That Pats D makes Brady look better than he actually is.

**DegenerationY** · 01-19-2004, 08:02 PM

holy shit @ that huge hit in the 4th quarter.

Also, Ty Law had one of the best games of his career.

Pats are winning it all again.

**#1-norm-fan** · 01-19-2004, 09:48 PM

Also, David Thornton is one of the most underrated players in the NFL. I don't think I've seen him make one mistake. Just because he doesn't make the huge plays, he doesn't get the recognition he deserves. On ESPNNews when they were going over the game, on that 3rd down when the Pats could have put the game away, they kept saying that the pass was dropped and never even mentioned Thornton although he made a great play getting his hands behind the reciever's and knocking the ball down.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-20-2004, 12:07 AM

Thornton is a linebacker right?

Its kinda hard to go unnoticed at Linebacker, you get a lot of tackles..you get noticed. I mean Ray Lewis stands out the most becuase hes a great player...plus he goes nuts out there on the field but then there is also guys like Urlacher who just make so many tackles.

I really haven't heard much about this guy, but I am guessing he has around 90-100 tackles? Which is pretty good but not outstanding or anything.

**#1-norm-fan** · 01-20-2004, 01:45 AM

He lead the league in tackles through atleast 10 weeks of the season.

He ended the year with 145 total tackles.

**Y2Ant** · 01-20-2004, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

well that's been true in the last few superbowls but if you look at the last 15 years... guys like elway, favre, warner, young, aikman are all "star" type qb's.

Shit, forgot about Elway

For the past few years though it's been more of a team effort rather than a star QB effort still

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-20-2004, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan

He lead the league in tackles through atleast 10 weeks of the season.

He ended the year with 145 total tackles.

He had that many?

I havent really heard much about him......Probably doesnt get a lot of coverage because the best guy on the Colts D is Dwight Freeney

**KingofOldSchool** · 01-20-2004, 07:21 PM

LOL.

The Colts, much like the Pacers, choked as usual in the playoffs.

The Super Bowl will suck now regardless.

No one cares about the Panthers or Patriots defense.

**VonErich Lives** · 01-20-2004, 07:49 PM

The real question is, if the Pats win... where does this team rank on the all-time list?

2nd longest winning steak in nfl history.

Did the 85 bears dominate more? maybe, but the league is tougher now... back then 1/2 the teams knew every year they lose over 1/2 their games.

Now it's wide open, with the salary cap and all, everyone competes...

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-20-2004, 08:12 PM

Why is everyone so set on this being a boring Superbowl?

Its going to be a close game....its not going to be a blow out like last year.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 01-20-2004, 08:18 PM

im more pumped about this superbowl then I have in I think the last 5 superbowls.. I don't get why people think it's gonna be boring... I think it's gonna end up a really good game.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-20-2004, 08:22 PM

In the next couple of days its going to start getting hyped up more and more and then I think people will start to be into it.

Personally I've only seen one Superbowl I thought was boring (9ers smoking the Chargers a few years back)

**MoRcHeEbA** · 01-20-2004, 08:27 PM

I wassn't a big fan of the Giants and Ravens a couple years ago... I found that game did nothing for me

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-20-2004, 08:31 PM

I liked it because of Ray Lewis

one of my favorite players

**The Outlaw** · 01-20-2004, 10:04 PM

Giants - Ravens was ****ing sick.

If I remember correctly. The one that had back to back kick returns? If so,

Also, if thats the one,

@ the defensive holding call.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-21-2004, 12:12 AM

Yea I am pretty sure it had back to back kick off returns

I dont really remember everything about it though.....i totally forgot about that until you brought it up

**The Outlaw** · 01-21-2004, 02:45 AM

I liked that game.

Although from what I remember it was a total blowout haha

The kickoff returns just pumped me up I guess.

**#1-norm-fan** · 01-21-2004, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool

The Colts, much like the Pacers, choked as usual in the playoffs.

lol So if you don't make it to the super bowl, you "choked?"

This was their best year with Manning and they lost by 11 on the road to a team that had won 13 straight and were pretty big favorites.

**VonErich Lives** · 01-21-2004, 09:08 AM

So, if the Pats win the superbowl and then win a few in a row next season, what's more impressive, the Phins going 17-0 in a season, or winning 20 straight over 2 seasons.

This came up with tiger a few years ago, they wouldn't call him a grand champ or sumthin because he won all the majors, but not in order so it happened in the same year.

On a side note, the Pats will just get better. I think only a few people have contracts up.

Law, Woody, Huard.

I assume Huard will be gone and I tend to think Woody is also, where he's playing Gaurd for the Pats another team would pay him more to play Center.

Law, it depends, if he wants to be the highest paid player in the league he's gone... but I think he stays, and that Pats pay'em.

Also, don't forget this great defense was missing possible their best LB... Colvin... Imagine how sick it would have been with him healthy.

Plus, they have 2 first round picks next year.

As for the Colts, next year is the last of the "Big 3" I think Mannings contract is up this year and then Harrison and James the next year... No way you devote 50% of your cap to 3 players on offense.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-21-2004, 10:36 AM

Huard is gone

They are going to sign Kliff Kingsbury from the practice squad and make Davey the back up

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-21-2004, 10:36 AM

Or maybe they will draft another QB.....I dunno.......they drafted Kliff Kingsbury last year though so who knows

**VonErich Lives** · 01-21-2004, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Or maybe they will draft another QB.....I dunno.......they drafted Kliff Kingsbury last year though so who knows

That's the rumor, much like GB drafted a few QB's that got delt and started for other teams while they had Favre.

The only thing that could keep Huard is if he takes a big paycut, which who knows... He doesn't even hold kickoffs, so maybe 100K to hold a clipboard and have a shot at a ring is worth it to him.

That being said, every QB wants to start... so who knows...

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-21-2004, 10:28 PM

Kliff Kingsbury had a mullet

I dunno.....Im not a big fan of mullets

**The Outlaw** · 01-22-2004, 03:27 PM

LOL He is the man though.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-23-2004, 12:18 AM

They will probably draft some random guy like Jeff Smoker or something

I DUNNO though.....Smoker might be gone too high in the draft.

**The Outlaw** · 01-23-2004, 03:25 AM

JEFF SMOKERRRRR

He got smoked in his bowl game though.

01-19-2004, 05:04 PM	#81
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	I'm not saying he's the 2nd coming of Dan Marino or something... But this kid doesn't get enough credit. 3 years stats 2001 14gs 63.9% 2843yds 18TD 12Int 86.5% Rating 2002 16gs 62.1% 3764yds 28TD 14Int 85.7% Rating 2003 16gs 60.2% 3620yds 23TD 12Int 85.9% Rating Not 1/2 bad... considering he's had a questionable running game, a blue collar line and avg WR's. Oh yeah, and he's 5-0 in the playoffs, 1 division title, 2 confrence titles, 1 superbowl win. Take a look at Montana's first couple of years... and even some of the later years. Montana had a better running game and better wr's. http://www.profootballhof.com/index....&note_id=10373 Now, I'm not calling Brady, the next Montana, we'll know in 10yrs... But let's remember, Montana was never the "Deep Passer" or "Big, Strong Armed" like Manning or Marino. He was a smart qb, made good decisions and didn't crack under pressure.

01-19-2004, 05:05 PM	#82
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	lol spaz i don't see how you can choose to sit out when you're the best player on your team and your season's on the line. players have played through worse.

01-19-2004, 05:12 PM	#83
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I heard Reid wouldn't let him back in but who knows

01-19-2004, 05:13 PM	#84
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I would put the blame on the Eagles WR.......they suck ass The Panthers had the conors play man all day....and since the WR couldnt get free the safeties didnt need to help so they could just play the run. Eagles = JV Version of the Buffallo Bills (in the 90's)

01-19-2004, 05:15 PM	#87
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	either way though, McNabb and the Eagles should be feeling like shit.....Losing 3 staright NFC Championship games and 2 staright at home..that must suck haha

01-19-2004, 07:44 PM	#89
#1-norm-fan Resident drug enabler Posts: 45,473	That Pats D makes Brady look better than he actually is.

01-19-2004, 08:02 PM	#90
DegenerationY WARRIORS Posts: 9,414	holy shit @ that huge hit in the 4th quarter. Also, Ty Law had one of the best games of his career. Pats are winning it all again.

01-19-2004, 09:48 PM	#91
#1-norm-fan Resident drug enabler Posts: 45,473	Also, David Thornton is one of the most underrated players in the NFL. I don't think I've seen him make one mistake. Just because he doesn't make the huge plays, he doesn't get the recognition he deserves. On ESPNNews when they were going over the game, on that 3rd down when the Pats could have put the game away, they kept saying that the pass was dropped and never even mentioned Thornton although he made a great play getting his hands behind the reciever's and knocking the ball down.

01-20-2004, 12:07 AM	#92
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Thornton is a linebacker right? Its kinda hard to go unnoticed at Linebacker, you get a lot of tackles..you get noticed. I mean Ray Lewis stands out the most becuase hes a great player...plus he goes nuts out there on the field but then there is also guys like Urlacher who just make so many tackles. I really haven't heard much about this guy, but I am guessing he has around 90-100 tackles? Which is pretty good but not outstanding or anything.

01-20-2004, 01:45 AM	#93
#1-norm-fan Resident drug enabler Posts: 45,473	He lead the league in tackles through atleast 10 weeks of the season. He ended the year with 145 total tackles.

01-20-2004, 07:21 PM	#96
KingofOldSchool ...IN HD!!!! Posts: 23,327	LOL. The Colts, much like the Pacers, choked as usual in the playoffs. The Super Bowl will suck now regardless. No one cares about the Panthers or Patriots defense.

01-20-2004, 07:49 PM	#97
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	The real question is, if the Pats win... where does this team rank on the all-time list? 2nd longest winning steak in nfl history. Did the 85 bears dominate more? maybe, but the league is tougher now... back then 1/2 the teams knew every year they lose over 1/2 their games. Now it's wide open, with the salary cap and all, everyone competes...

01-20-2004, 08:12 PM	#98
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Why is everyone so set on this being a boring Superbowl? Its going to be a close game....its not going to be a blow out like last year.

01-20-2004, 08:18 PM	#99
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	im more pumped about this superbowl then I have in I think the last 5 superbowls.. I don't get why people think it's gonna be boring... I think it's gonna end up a really good game.

01-20-2004, 08:22 PM	#100
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	In the next couple of days its going to start getting hyped up more and more and then I think people will start to be into it. Personally I've only seen one Superbowl I thought was boring (9ers smoking the Chargers a few years back)

01-20-2004, 08:27 PM	#101
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	I wassn't a big fan of the Giants and Ravens a couple years ago... I found that game did nothing for me

01-20-2004, 08:31 PM	#102
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I liked it because of Ray Lewis one of my favorite players

01-20-2004, 10:04 PM	#103
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Giants - Ravens was ****ing sick. If I remember correctly. The one that had back to back kick returns? If so, Also, if thats the one, @ the defensive holding call.

01-21-2004, 12:12 AM	#104
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Yea I am pretty sure it had back to back kick off returns I dont really remember everything about it though.....i totally forgot about that until you brought it up

01-21-2004, 02:45 AM	#105
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	I liked that game. Although from what I remember it was a total blowout haha The kickoff returns just pumped me up I guess.

01-21-2004, 09:08 AM	#107
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	So, if the Pats win the superbowl and then win a few in a row next season, what's more impressive, the Phins going 17-0 in a season, or winning 20 straight over 2 seasons. This came up with tiger a few years ago, they wouldn't call him a grand champ or sumthin because he won all the majors, but not in order so it happened in the same year. On a side note, the Pats will just get better. I think only a few people have contracts up. Law, Woody, Huard. I assume Huard will be gone and I tend to think Woody is also, where he's playing Gaurd for the Pats another team would pay him more to play Center. Law, it depends, if he wants to be the highest paid player in the league he's gone... but I think he stays, and that Pats pay'em. Also, don't forget this great defense was missing possible their best LB... Colvin... Imagine how sick it would have been with him healthy. Plus, they have 2 first round picks next year. As for the Colts, next year is the last of the "Big 3" I think Mannings contract is up this year and then Harrison and James the next year... No way you devote 50% of your cap to 3 players on offense.

01-21-2004, 10:36 AM	#108
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Huard is gone They are going to sign Kliff Kingsbury from the practice squad and make Davey the back up

01-21-2004, 10:36 AM	#109
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Or maybe they will draft another QB.....I dunno.......they drafted Kliff Kingsbury last year though so who knows

01-21-2004, 10:28 PM	#111
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Kliff Kingsbury had a mullet I dunno.....Im not a big fan of mullets

01-22-2004, 03:27 PM	#112
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	LOL He is the man though.

01-23-2004, 12:18 AM	#113
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	They will probably draft some random guy like Jeff Smoker or something I DUNNO though.....Smoker might be gone too high in the draft.

01-23-2004, 03:25 AM	#114
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	JEFF SMOKERRRRR He got smoked in his bowl game though.