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Old 07-21-2005, 11:29 PM   #81
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Still, why not put him on RAW? It is a solid character, and if I recall correctly, there was a time when WWE took ricks and put their balls out there and made daring moves that not only shocked but entertained. Hassan is entertaining. He is also a draw. WWE is backing down when they infact have done nothing wrong. Hassan is an American who's character happens to be Arab. He doesn't threaten terrorist attacks. What next, some Mexicans blow up a building and suddenly Eddie Guerrero should stay off TV? If you ask me, WWE had one of the best angles in history, and best of all, if you look at it, nothing offensive was done...by anyone...ever involved with the storyline.
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Old 07-21-2005, 11:29 PM   #82
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But how could the WWE have possibly known that someone would be stupid enough to mistaken guys in ski masks as terrorists?
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Old 07-21-2005, 11:32 PM   #83
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It is a point about assumtions. WWE was correct. Nothing about them suggested they were Arab, and everyone jumped to that conclussion. It was genius. Taking people's natural chain of thought and show them how wrong they can be.
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Old 07-21-2005, 11:36 PM   #84
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So, UPN decided to air the segment when they could've just as easily chosen not to, and the WWE has to pay for it?

Bullshit...
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And you have to look at it from the WWE's perspective.

You get the media on your ass about having "Terrorists" on your show, then you will get the redneck hee-haws who will be so upset at it that they will stop watching.

It's one of the "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations.
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Why is it that WWE has tried to get a character that everyone will chant USA at and still pay to see, and the first time they actually have someone like that in the past decade they decide to rop it??? But on the plus side, it Vince & Co continue to kill everything possitive they have going for themselves I win the pool bet on them being dead and burried in the next 2 years.


Based on the current value of their stock, their intellectual properties, and their video catalog, the WWE would have to lose soemwhere in the neighborhood of $200 million/yr for the next two year for that to happen. They're a monopoly basically. This si like Microsoft having a bad quarter and then predicitng them to go belly up.

Its more likely that our grandkids will be watching the WWE.
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Quite a lot of you guys are forgetting one thing: the "terrorist" angle had a point. And it was furthered in Hassan's WWE.com Smackdown speech. He explained hiis actions and basically, in the end, people calling those guys in ski masks terrorists assumingly just proved his point about prejudice and generalizations.

All you guys can say is "oh no, the terrorist angle was a bad move and made Hassan look like a hypocrite/stereotype."

EH! Wrong.
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Its fucking bullshit.

UPN has stopped the WWE from using a "terrorist" character, yet there are how many other shows on other networks that can portray the exact same thing, and actually even worse.

Welcome to Nazi Germ--USA.

You know its so funny, maybe sad actually, how this character, and what he says has come to life. When he is in an arena fans chant USA, yet he's an American just like them. He finally gets a chance to headline (sorta), get a title shot anyway at one of the major PPVs, and he has it taken away because of what people precieve as being terrorist actions.

Hassan should be the biggest babyface int he company right now.

I feel bad for Magnus, or whatever his real name is, because the sad thing is, even if they do re-package him, he'll never get another gimmick as good as this.

Actually, what they should do is re-package him as a pro-American military kid who served in Iraq, was injured, and now wants to enter the WWE. He could carry around the flag, say the Pledge, and call all brown people terrorists and say we should wipe them all off the face of the earth....UPN and the rest of the American media-fags would love him and they'd put him on the cover of Time magazine as Man of the Year.


I miss the time when we used to have Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Expression. Those were good times.
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Based on the current value of their stock, their intellectual properties, and their video catalog, the WWE would have to lose soemwhere in the neighborhood of $200 million/yr for the next two year for that to happen. They're a monopoly basically. This si like Microsoft having a bad quarter and then predicitng them to go belly up.

Its more likely that our grandkids will be watching the WWE.
Their current value of stock is 11.75, their ratings are falling, buyrates are not looking good, and while they do have a monopoly in the wrestling business, the entire industry is falling steadly. WWE was closer to backruptcy in the mid 90's then anyone really realised, and currently they are drawing about the same amount of people only now they have many more people signed to multi million dollar contracts then they did before.
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I'm not going to make this a big issue but: the advantage of being a publicly owned company, especially one where a huge majority is still owned by the corporation, is that you can always sell the stocks as a source of revenue.

The quarterly projections of the WWE corporation still have them making money, the profit margin is just smaller than anticipated. As I mentioned their video catalog means they have a guarantedd source of revenue (they're contract with On0Demand is guaranteed for another 5 years and they still sell insane amounts of DVDs/videos.)

Plus, almost none of their big money contracts are guaranteed. They didn't go the WCW route.

I'm not arguing; its just a fact. The WWE is healthy enough that it would take 8-10 years of terrible, awful business for it to go completely out of business. So unless a meteor hits Stamford, it going totally bankrupt by 2007-08 is just not realistic.
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:23 AM   #91
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Didn't read this whole thread, but has anyone stopped to think this might be another realism angle by the WWE.
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Good point Hero...I don't think anyone has thought about that yet...though I am guessing we will know the truth in 7 days.
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Didn't read this whole thread, but has anyone stopped to think this might be another realism angle by the WWE.
Heh...that's what I said earlier in this thread.

Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised. They're doing this now with Hardy, and TNA has been blasting them for it. It seems to be working, so why not. And like I said, don't take everything the WWE says that could be viewed as a shoot as a shoot anymore.

I wonder how much of this the internet will take before they become sick of it?
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Actually...it might actually be. Never thought of that.

They're doing it with the Matt Hardy/Edge thing on RAW, maybe they're using this controversy to their advantage and making us THINK that they are doing this to Hassan.

Maybe soon we will see a UPN "official" be on SmackDown and try to explain himself or something.

Now that he said that, got me thinking: Don't believe anything anymore. ANYTHING can be a work anymore.
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This sucks.
We've all seemed to forget about someone else ruined by this, my Persian friend Shawn Daviari.
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Any relation to the Daivari we know?
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If WWE had edited out the Hassan segment from that version of Smackdown, none of this would have happened because everyone in the media would still be quite oblivious that the character even existed. Really fucking shitty circumstances here, and I will really miss Muhammad Hassan
Yeah the terrorist finally hit america hard.
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UPN needs to think if they take Hassan of the terrorists won.
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Seriously... you're right.

If all of this news is true and real, then it's utter bullshit. You have a guy who makes brilliant points about much of America's inherent racism, and now corporate bigwigs are playing right into this story's hands. But the WWE's a bit spineless for dropping him. They knew they'd run into this... they just probably figured it wouldn't be as intense. So when the fire rises up... they run.

FUCK UPN. Use this as a lesson in racial bigotry. Air that promo Hassan made about how hypocritical people are. The one that I wanted to hear was Hassan rip the fans for mindlessly chanting "USA! USA!" just because he was talking.

This is America in the 21st century: controlled by the government, scared by terrorists, regressed to the PC age where you can hardly say or do anything without fear of some lawsuit from some group who... actually has a chance of winning it.

Did you think that in the year 2005, we'd still be subjected to this crap?

Savior's absolutely right... in a way, the terrorists won... they won a small battle in taking away our freedoms. Because though this be a small action, and in the course of history an insignificant one.. it's a curb on our freedoms. Our freedom to produce a controversial but accurate storyline that exposes hypocrisy is now gone, because "some people" got scared that terrorists used in a certain way will offend people. Or strike chords.

I'm ashamed. Really. It's just plain sad that so many Americans are so damn ignorant. These casual fans aren't just ignorant of wrestling... they're ignorant of life. They believe what's fed to them without question, they don't care about accepting responsibility, they think everything should be served to them on a silver dish.

We need more smarks in life. That's all I have to say.
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Well... I have an idea for Mark Magnus actually.

I think it's pretty obvious that Taker's going over at GAB... so Mark should take a couple of weeks off. As we near Summerslam, have Mark Magnus (not Muhammad Hassan) and Shawn Daivari (not Khosrow) come out.

"My name is Mark Magnus," (or whatever his real name is) "and for the past eight months, I have played an Arab American character on WWE television. My friend, SHAWN Daivari, has played my Arab mouthpiece, essentially repeating my speeches in Farsi. For months, I have played upon America's hypocrisy of claiming to be open and unprejudiced while often discriminating against Arabs, especially in wake of September 11th. This was just a storyline... an angle for us... but as the months progressed, I started to believe in what I said... at least just a little..." He goes on to detail his observations of reactions and stuff, then goes to the recent events around the London Bombings. "The day I had six masked associates attack the Undertaker happened to coincide with the London bombings. It was a terrible tragedy, but immediately, the media picked up on the very things I ranted against... they labeled these MASKED men as Arab terrorists, even though they were masked. And you know what? They were played by WHITE wrestlers. Jokes on you, New York Post. And the media frenzy... the overly PC network... they said Muhammad Hassan could no longer be on network TV.

Because I was a terrorist.

Because I played a terrorist.


What kind of hypocrisy is that??? They reached that conclusion only by assumptions. Yes, the angle was risque, it was edgy, but it was designed to test America's acceptance. And you people failed. You failed when you mindlessly chanted "USA" to me, AN AMERICAN. You failed when you booed simply because Shawn was speaking in Farsi. You failed when immediately came to the conclusion that I was a terrorist, that I was encouraging terrorism, that all of this was meant to insult people.

It's funny, because I'm not even Arab-American... I'm actually Italian American. But the media, the sensationalists... they overlooked that. They immediately proclaimed the evils and offenses that my storyline represented.

It seems that the America I was ranting against IN CHARACTER is how America really is. And you people may boo me, and the media may cry out in alarm, but try taking a look at yourselves. You want to limit freedom of expression... freedom to explore bold ideas? Then maybe you've already done the terrorists' job. Maybe you've taken away some of our rights for them."



For those too lazy to read through all that... basically they break kayfabe and have him commentate on his character and the response and pick apart every little hypocrisy that occurred during his run. That'd be a good way to maintain his character, I'd think.
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Old 07-22-2005, 03:01 AM   #102
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This is depressing.

I almost want to order the PPV cause I have a feeling something good will happen seeing as how it may be the last time we ever see Hassan.

BTW, if they could somehow make him never actually appear on SD but still wrestle Pay-Per-Views (Maybe show up on Velocity once in a while) he could easily be the most over heel in wrestling history. The reactions he would get @ the PPVs would be crazy.

This is all just too good. WWE can't let this just die. They HAVE to find a way to make it work.
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Have Velocity be the Main and move "WWE experince" to UPN and make SD! one hour while having Velocity be 2 hours. when UPN moves SD! to fridy night.
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Now Hassan can go back to RAW and say he was kicked off Smack Down and UPN because he's an arab american


Yah he can. But i think the real issue is...


He was kicked off Smackdown because he's an Arab American. Thats sickening. The whole point of Hassan's charachter ( despite the terrorist inuendo, which they can cut out ) Is that he believe's he is the only person on his side. He feels he's descriminated against by Americans. Which he then voices his opinions in a threating way and gets heat.

For UPN to say " We dont want Hassan's charachter on our channel " is flat out racist. Reguardless of if its an actual charachter or a real human being. It's basically saying they dont want an inteligent , opionative Arab on there show, because they think he represents terrorism, BECAUSE HE'S ARAB!. This is sick. Just really stupid.

BTW. I dont care about paying dues. The fact of the matter is this. Hassan was well on his way to becomming the Superstar smackdown needs. This guy is the closest thing to becoming Rock or Stone Cold as it gets IMO. The heat that this guy draws is amazing. Which is why it will be even more amazing when he and Davari ( maybe a year from now ) get into it big time. Mix in a heel attack and a Face save, then a Hassan face turn. This guy will be huge.

UPN ( if this is true ) Have crossed a line here IMO.
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Fuck, this sucks ass. Hassan is the reason i watch smackdown, along with xtian.
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I bet this whole Hassan thing is set up, Think Deep (not too far) it becomes obvious.

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It's a shame that the Kerwin White angle is floating about at the moment (even though it's cool). They could have brought Hassan under a new name while making a point of how white/American he is (because it's the only way he can get on American television).
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:25 AM   #110
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Why not just send him back to Raw?! This is fucking bullshit if they have dropped the character completly!! So the media actually forced an Arab American character off TV. I just want Hassan to show up on Raw and deliver the best promo he can ripping the people and the media as much as he wants.
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If it is true that they drop the character then I feel so sorry for Magnus and Shawn Daivari cause they will not get anything better than this.
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But just keep him off TV for a month if its that bad.
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Why not just send him back to Raw?! This is fucking bullshit if they have dropped the character completly!! So the media actually forced an Arab American character off TV. I just want Hassan to show up on Raw and deliver the best promo he can ripping the people and the media as much as he wants.
Because then you still have those media watchdogs that are going to then send angry letters to Spike TV who in turn will ask WWE to keep Hassan off of TV just like UPN. And there's no telling, Spike might of already warned WWE not to bring him over to Raw.
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From Wrestlezone.com **Warning: Contains GAB/Summerslam spoilers...even though the Hassan thing has sort of spoiled it anyway.

There are many who believe Hassan will be sent down to OVW after this weekend and be repackaged before re-appearing back on Smackdown.

With WWE said to be dropping the Muhammad Hassan character, the original plans for WWE Great American Bash and Summerslam are now virtually unable to come to fruition. WWE was said to be finalizing its plans for Sunday's PPV this afternoon.

At one point, the plan was for Randy Orton to cost Undertaker his match with Hassan, setting up Batista vs. Muhammad Hassan and Undertaker vs. Orton for Summerslam. Batista and Orton would go over at that PPV, setting up an eventual match between the two.

Because Batista vs. Hassan will not be happening, WWE will obviously need to make a few changes to the aforementioned outline. It should be interesting to see how everything plays out.
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I honestly cannot believe they are going to drop the number one heel in the company cause of all this.
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Old 07-22-2005, 05:09 PM   #117
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Ironic isn't it. A character that brought to light the idea that everyone in America is so racist towards their own fellow countrymen is being fired for that very same reason. I hope every single American flag waving jackass who would just as soon piss on all the Arab-Americans as give them a fiar chance die in a fire in their trailers tonight...
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Well... I have an idea for Mark Magnus actually.

I think it's pretty obvious that Taker's going over at GAB... so Mark should take a couple of weeks off. As we near Summerslam, have Mark Magnus (not Muhammad Hassan) and Shawn Daivari (not Khosrow) come out.

"My name is Mark Magnus," (or whatever his real name is) "and for the past eight months, I have played an Arab American character on WWE television. My friend, SHAWN Daivari, has played my Arab mouthpiece, essentially repeating my speeches in Farsi. For months, I have played upon America's hypocrisy of claiming to be open and unprejudiced while often discriminating against Arabs, especially in wake of September 11th. This was just a storyline... an angle for us... but as the months progressed, I started to believe in what I said... at least just a little..." He goes on to detail his observations of reactions and stuff, then goes to the recent events around the London Bombings. "The day I had six masked associates attack the Undertaker happened to coincide with the London bombings. It was a terrible tragedy, but immediately, the media picked up on the very things I ranted against... they labeled these MASKED men as Arab terrorists, even though they were masked. And you know what? They were played by WHITE wrestlers. Jokes on you, New York Post. And the media frenzy... the overly PC network... they said Muhammad Hassan could no longer be on network TV.

Because I was a terrorist.

Because I played a terrorist.


What kind of hypocrisy is that??? They reached that conclusion only by assumptions. Yes, the angle was risque, it was edgy, but it was designed to test America's acceptance. And you people failed. You failed when you mindlessly chanted "USA" to me, AN AMERICAN. You failed when you booed simply because Shawn was speaking in Farsi. You failed when immediately came to the conclusion that I was a terrorist, that I was encouraging terrorism, that all of this was meant to insult people.

It's funny, because I'm not even Arab-American... I'm actually Italian American. But the media, the sensationalists... they overlooked that. They immediately proclaimed the evils and offenses that my storyline represented.

It seems that the America I was ranting against IN CHARACTER is how America really is. And you people may boo me, and the media may cry out in alarm, but try taking a look at yourselves. You want to limit freedom of expression... freedom to explore bold ideas? Then maybe you've already done the terrorists' job. Maybe you've taken away some of our rights for them."



For those too lazy to read through all that... basically they break kayfabe and have him commentate on his character and the response and pick apart every little hypocrisy that occurred during his run. That'd be a good way to maintain his character, I'd think.
Can you be a WWE writer for just one day?
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