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Old 07-28-2005, 04:11 AM   #81
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A movie on how the nWo killed wrestling....also includes sting vs hogan but i amalso cutting it out into a smaller vid.

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Old 07-28-2005, 12:05 PM   #82
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Jesus. With all of this knowledge about how to put guys over, it's a wonder Loose Cannon isn't in the WWE right now, or running his own promotion about to snuff the WWE out of business.
To be fair, if the WWE had someone as clued in as LC, they'd have fired him back when Kane was still a burn victim and well before Brock could threaten to kill him.

Notice that TNA actually hired Russo/Rhodes? You think there's a place for anyone who even REMOTELY knows shit about wrestling? Hell, even Heyman was taken off WWE creative...
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:05 PM   #83
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The only match Hogan needs to have now is Hogan vs. Austin, either that or Hogan puts over a Cena/Batista/HHH
And since Hell will freeze over first...
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:41 PM   #84
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5) Hogan won't put the young guys over

My answer: Hogan put Lesnar,Rock,Taker and Angle all over. Steve Austin quit WWE because he didn't want to job to Lesnar yet everyone has forgotten that.
Austin left cause he didnt like the direction they were going and he didnt want to put Lesnar over in a quick tournement non built up angle
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:28 PM   #85
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Well I could use at least three of those points on Steve Austin as well and im a semi- Austin fan. But he is a women beater who comes back time and time again and it is losing it's luster because he is also predictable. Stunner(s) and beer or vice versa
Yes, except Austin can actually wrestle pretty well and he's decently entertaining.

But I'll agree that's he's sort of pushing it. Still, when he comes back, it's not after he "retired," so there none of that kayfabe trickery that Hogan excels at.
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:41 PM   #86
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Which is what he will do at Summerslam by jobbing to maybe the best wrestler in the last ten years Shawn Micheals. Hogan will than recieve a final standing ovation and then Hulkamania goes into the the wrestling history books.
*cough* 20 year contract *cough*
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:45 PM   #87
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Austin left cause he didnt like the direction they were going and he didnt want to put Lesnar over in a quick tournement non built up angle
Explain it all you want, he said he was okay with it, that the issue had been resolved, and didn't show up. This was pathetic, unprofessional, and unjustified.
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Old 07-28-2005, 02:10 PM   #88
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Alright it was a Dick move on his part
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Old 07-28-2005, 02:30 PM   #89
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IT was a dick move and it was probably because he didn't want to lay down.

How many people has he put over of late?

Fuck that, how many people has he put over, period?
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:30 PM   #90
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Hulk Hogan is a perfect example of how sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to being a wrestling fan. As a kid, Hogan was the closest thing to a living, breathing superhero. I loved everything about him.

And his turn was incredible. Whoever dismissed him being the greatest heel of all time obviously never watched him when the nWo was first created. he ws LOATHED. Nobody got more heat than Hogan. As a performer, he was a big partof the two highest points in the business: the 80s boom and the Monday Night Wars. Great. Good for him.

But Hogan is one of the most conniving, egotistical, manipulative, lying, backstabbing people I've heard of in any industry - ever. The no-sell for Vader in the WWF. His refusal to job for Bret Hart. His refusal to job to Andre or Dibiase at WMIV. And pretty much his entire carer in WCW: demanding to be put over Flair on his arrival, blaming the writing staff when the fans got on his case, pulling string to get all his buddies high-paying jobs (that whole Dungeon of Doom angle ws his idea, basically), the match with Sting which WAS Hogan's fault [NOTE: the whole rumor regarding the ref comes from the fact the Nick Patrick was the ref, Patrick was a close friend of Hogan, and before the match the two had a heated discussion that was clearly not in kayfabe] the match with Goldberg whihc Hogan only agreed to so as to show that he was a huge draw when the event had been sold out for weeks befiore it was announced Hogan would even be there, the shit he pulled where he would disappear for weeks durung the NBA playoffs then return once they ended and then take credit for the natural ratings boost, and on and on and on and on.....

Hogan has done some evil things in his career. Evil, wretched things. And it takes away from that feeling of nostalgia. Beyond just the things HBK said (which were all 100% correct BTW) it's that once you know about the stuff he's done within the business its just hard to get behind him. Hogan HAS put people over before: Savage, Warrior, DDP, Angle, Lesnar (big time!), and he gave Edge a rub by tagging with him. But none of that really balances the fact that for 25 years Hogan scrwed everyone around him, even guys he clainmed were his best friends, in order to take care of himself.
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Old 07-28-2005, 04:24 PM   #91
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Again like I explained in my last post I meant the pythons and the overall muscular look at 50.
Thats still pretty laughable. He looks like shit IMO.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:43 PM   #92
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All he does is punch, block, slam and leg drop.
Don't forget pointing and posing, which he does for the majority of his on-camera time. Even Flair and Undertaker punch more than they pose.

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No, you're misinterpreting the phrase "putting someone over" The book Death of WCW explains it real well and actually references Hogan and the wrong way to put someone over. I'll actually type up the section for you later on when I find the book. So hold this thought
I know what you're talking about here. It's when they're talking about Russo and Bischoff returning to form the Young Bloods. Hogan allowed Billy Kidman to win a match, but only put himself over in the process. I'd copy that section down here, but my copy of the book got destroyed in a rain/open window disaster.
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And his turn was incredible. Whoever dismissed him being the greatest heel of all time obviously never watched him when the nWo was first created. he ws LOATHED. Nobody got more heat than Hogan. As a performer, he was a big partof the two highest points in the business: the 80s boom and the Monday Night Wars. Great. Good for him.
That would be moi. I said this because he was already disliked in WCW by the fans before the heel turn and the nWo wasn't a particularly difficult way to get heel heat.
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Hulk Hogan is a perfect example of how sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to being a wrestling fan. As a kid, Hogan was the closest thing to a living, breathing superhero. I loved everything about him.

And his turn was incredible. Whoever dismissed him being the greatest heel of all time obviously never watched him when the nWo was first created. he ws LOATHED. Nobody got more heat than Hogan. As a performer, he was a big partof the two highest points in the business: the 80s boom and the Monday Night Wars. Great. Good for him.

But Hogan is one of the most conniving, egotistical, manipulative, lying, backstabbing people I've heard of in any industry - ever. The no-sell for Vader in the WWF. His refusal to job for Bret Hart. His refusal to job to Andre or Dibiase at WMIV. And pretty much his entire carer in WCW: demanding to be put over Flair on his arrival, blaming the writing staff when the fans got on his case, pulling string to get all his buddies high-paying jobs (that whole Dungeon of Doom angle ws his idea, basically), the match with Sting which WAS Hogan's fault [NOTE: the whole rumor regarding the ref comes from the fact the Nick Patrick was the ref, Patrick was a close friend of Hogan, and before the match the two had a heated discussion that was clearly not in kayfabe] the match with Goldberg whihc Hogan only agreed to so as to show that he was a huge draw when the event had been sold out for weeks befiore it was announced Hogan would even be there, the shit he pulled where he would disappear for weeks durung the NBA playoffs then return once they ended and then take credit for the natural ratings boost, and on and on and on and on.....

Hogan has done some evil things in his career. Evil, wretched things. And it takes away from that feeling of nostalgia. Beyond just the things HBK said (which were all 100% correct BTW) it's that once you know about the stuff he's done within the business its just hard to get behind him. Hogan HAS put people over before: Savage, Warrior, DDP, Angle, Lesnar (big time!), and he gave Edge a rub by tagging with him. But none of that really balances the fact that for 25 years Hogan scrwed everyone around him, even guys he clainmed were his best friends, in order to take care of himself.
It also doesn't change that he's shit in the modern landscape. He's out of place, so even suspension of disbelief kind of fails here.
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Hulk Hogan is a perfect example of how sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to being a wrestling fan. As a kid, Hogan was the closest thing to a living, breathing superhero. I loved everything about him.

And his turn was incredible. Whoever dismissed him being the greatest heel of all time obviously never watched him when the nWo was first created. he ws LOATHED. Nobody got more heat than Hogan. As a performer, he was a big partof the two highest points in the business: the 80s boom and the Monday Night Wars. Great. Good for him.

But Hogan is one of the most conniving, egotistical, manipulative, lying, backstabbing people I've heard of in any industry - ever. The no-sell for Vader in the WWF. His refusal to job for Bret Hart. His refusal to job to Andre or Dibiase at WMIV. And pretty much his entire carer in WCW: demanding to be put over Flair on his arrival, blaming the writing staff when the fans got on his case, pulling string to get all his buddies high-paying jobs (that whole Dungeon of Doom angle ws his idea, basically), the match with Sting which WAS Hogan's fault [NOTE: the whole rumor regarding the ref comes from the fact the Nick Patrick was the ref, Patrick was a close friend of Hogan, and before the match the two had a heated discussion that was clearly not in kayfabe] the match with Goldberg whihc Hogan only agreed to so as to show that he was a huge draw when the event had been sold out for weeks befiore it was announced Hogan would even be there, the shit he pulled where he would disappear for weeks durung the NBA playoffs then return once they ended and then take credit for the natural ratings boost, and on and on and on and on.....

Hogan has done some evil things in his career. Evil, wretched things. And it takes away from that feeling of nostalgia. Beyond just the things HBK said (which were all 100% correct BTW) it's that once you know about the stuff he's done within the business its just hard to get behind him. Hogan HAS put people over before: Savage, Warrior, DDP, Angle, Lesnar (big time!), and he gave Edge a rub by tagging with him. But none of that really balances the fact that for 25 years Hogan scrwed everyone around him, even guys he clainmed were his best friends, in order to take care of himself.
If I could rep you a hundred times I would. But right now I can only do it once.

Wonderful post and details my thoughts perfectly.
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Hogan and Michaels are both egotisticsal, caniving bastards. You guys are trying to make HBK as the goodguy lol.

Regardless i still wanna see the match for historical purposes, and it'll be interesting to see how Hogan does..if he can hang with HBK...I wana order the PPV, but now that Bradshaw is in a title match makes me wana reconsider...
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Old 07-28-2005, 09:53 PM   #97
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Hogan and Michaels are both egotisticsal, caniving bastards. You guys are trying to make HBK as the goodguy lol.

Regardless i still wanna see the match for historical purposes, and it'll be interesting to see how Hogan does..if he can hang with HBK...I wana order the PPV, but now that Bradshaw is in a title match makes me wana reconsider...
*cough Spoiler warning cough*
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No one in this thread defended HBK. The topic was "why do people have such a problem with Hogan?" The reason why HBK was even brought up is because his promo on Monday was so dead-on accurate. It wouldn't have matter who said it, everything he said about Hogan was true.
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Hogan and Michaels are both egotisticsal, caniving bastards. You guys are trying to make HBK as the goodguy lol.

Regardless i still wanna see the match for historical purposes, and it'll be interesting to see how Hogan does..if he can hang with HBK...I wana order the PPV, but now that Bradshaw is in a title match makes me wana reconsider...
No one has said HBK is a good guy, we have explained why we hate Hogan.Tell me, what comments gave you that feeling?

That HBK promo by the way was the best one ive seen from him in a while, i saw the looks on some of the Hogan fans faces (the ones wearing hogan shirts) and they were stunned.
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