Most Overrated Players in Sports - Page 3

**The Outlaw** · 10-11-2005, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

Examples?

http://tpww.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8

**The Gooch** · 10-11-2005, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by darkpower

I'm surprised that Randy Moss hasn't been mentioned yet.

Dunno, looking at how shitty the Vikes have played this year leads me to believe that Moss is still worth all the hype. Daunte Culpepper however fits the title well. Perhaps it was easy for him to look like a top knotch NFL QB chucking the ball to Randy all these years. Now that he is gone...

**Gonzo** · 10-11-2005, 09:01 AM

Not by a huge amount but I think Lamont Jordan is a little overrated. Now by the end of the year this statement could be reversed but so far he is only averaging 3.7 YPC with like 1 or 2 TD's. He was pretty decent in his role with the Jets but I don't know if he has solidified his position as a #1 RB just yet. So until then, for as much as he was hyped going to Oakland, I think he is a tad overrated.

**VonErich Lives** · 10-11-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

Lets see... Pretty much anytime someone has criticism of the Red Sox or Pats.

again, examples?

When people talk stats and facts that's fine.

Stuff like "Sox Suck" or making things up I never said, or responding to something never asked or questioned then yes, I call the person an idiot.

If you actually took the time to look, you'd notice I usually dust off the insults to try and keep the discussion going and I'm the last to go there...

But, since your head is clearly up your butt, it must be tough to read.

**VonErich Lives** · 10-11-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Icon of Elisim

lol, pot-kettle moment of the century

Example? yeah, thought so... thanks for playing, please come again, perferable with something to add on the topic of the thread.

RP · 10-11-2005, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

again, examples?

When people talk stats and facts that's fine.

Stuff like "Sox Suck" or making things up I never said, or responding to something never asked or questioned then yes, I call the person an idiot.

If you actually took the time to look, you'd notice I usually dust off the insults to try and keep the discussion going and I'm the last to go there...

But, since your head is clearly up your butt, it must be tough to read.

My example is in your post.

**Team Sheep** · 10-11-2005, 05:58 PM

Gavin Henson

**VonErich Lives** · 10-11-2005, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

My example is in your post.

you really are a complete idiot, thanks for proving it over and over again.

**weather vane** · 10-11-2005, 08:07 PM

Jeremy Shockey is not overrated at all. Dumbest thing I have ever heard.

**YOUR Hero** · 10-11-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

How bout Derek Jeter.

I say no.

While it's true he gets a lot of coverage, he is a great important game player. You know what I mean?... When the games count he seems to always rise to the occasion be it on offense or on defense. I rag on the Yankees a lot, but Jeter is a guy that I truly look to as one of the best.

**YOUR Hero** · 10-11-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Outlaw

http://tpww.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8

LOL

VEL, don't you see a pattern here? Or do you really think everyone is wrong and only you are right.

**The Miz** · 10-11-2005, 10:17 PM

Here's an example for you VEL

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So because Blalock has few errors and high FPCT he's a gold glove 3B? Errors are a very unaccurate stat, how many times have you seen a guy get a cheap error on a play he shouldn't have or make an error and the hitter gets credited with a single? Errors are a judgement call and thus inaccurate. Chavez has 4 more errors than Blalock, and as someone who watched a ton of Oakland games I can tell you alot of them were unfairly credited. Early in the season before Dan Johnson was called up Oakland had an awful defensive 1B in Scott Hatteberg who missed at least 4 Chavez throws that Mark Teixiera or any decent 1B would've dug out. I've seen alot of Oakland and Texas games and Chavez > Blalock.

One again VEL you don't understand stats. I like how you just took the top 3 guys in fielding % as your candidates though. Watch the games sometime.

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Of course can't blame you for watching Oakland v. Texas, anything's better then a Mariners game.

**The Miz** · 10-11-2005, 10:24 PM

LOL this might be my favorite VEL post of all time, here's a breakdown of my post and his response.

The Miz:

1. Just because Hank Blalock has few errors and a high FPCT that does not make him a great third baseman.

2. Errors are an innacurate stat. Errors are often incorrectly awarded and often unawarded when they should be.

3. Hank Blalock had a better first baseman than Eric Chavez for half a year, helping out with his error count.

4. Based on my viewing of the games and not stats, Chavez is better than Blalock.

VEL:

1. You made a typo.

2. You act like you watch every game.

3. I didn't say any one deserved more than any other, I just brought up names.

4. You don't understand stats.

5. Gold gloves are not based upon how you think a player looks. (Editors note: What?)

6. Errors and fielding percentage = defense

7. The Mariners are bad.

**YOUR Hero** · 10-11-2005, 10:37 PM

Editors note:...

LMAO

RP · 10-11-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

Whever people disagree with you, you call them a idiot or stupid. Look at your own posts.

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

Lets see... Pretty much anytime someone has criticism of the Red Sox or Pats.

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

again, examples?

When people talk stats and facts that's fine.

Stuff like "Sox Suck" or making things up I never said, or responding to something never asked or questioned then yes, I call the person an idiot.

If you actually took the time to look, you'd notice I usually dust off the insults to try and keep the discussion going and I'm the last to go there...

But, since your head is clearly up your butt, it must be tough to read.

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

My example is in your post.

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

you really are a complete idiot, thanks for proving it over and over again.

**BCWWF** · 10-11-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by darkpower

I'm surprised that Randy Moss hasn't been mentioned yet.

I don't care WHAT kind of stats you have. You could be rushing for 200 yeards PER GAME for all I care.

If you are going to play for me, you BETTER be reliable in how your attitude about the game is. Walking off the field whenever you damn well please, being controversial for the sake of being controversial, having the biggest mouth out of anyone and running it too damn much. NO team should have to put up with someone who you don't know how many unsportsmanlike conduct flags you will be getting because of him, or if he is even going actually be a teammate.

Sorry, but I don't care what kind of stats Moss had. That wasn't the main reason why the Vikings didn't care less about him after 04 (I can't remember if they cut him loose or he became a free agent or whatever it was). They stopped caring the minute he became unreliable as part of the team.

I'm sorry but that is probably the most retarded thing that I have ever heard.

1. He didn't walk off the field whenever he wanted to, he walked off while his team was kicking off with two seconds left. Randy Moss is not the only one to ever walk off the field before the game is done, he's just the only one hated enough to mention it.

2. Moss doesn't talk as much as TO or as Chad Johnson, and when he does he speaks in confidence, not it arrogance. He doesn't take a sharpie out and sign a ball, he doesn't hide cell phones in the pads, he pretends to moon a crowd. That being said, Randy Moss has reason to be confident, he is better than TO and Chad.

3. The Vikings are not as stupid as you are, they did not cut him loose. They traded him for a starting linebacker, a top 10 draft pick, and another draft pick.

4. How can you be overrated if you are the best player in your position? The only way you can guard him is to put a safety on him, which opens up the rest of your team, uncluding the run game. All he has to do is run and he affects the game more then any wide receiver. You can make the argument that Harrison or TO is better, but neither have Moss's big play capability. He is fast, can jump, and has hands.

Finally, Moss has been underrated until last year, when he was finally respected. He was cut from the Pro Bowl in 2002 because of off-feild actions, even though he deserved to be there. He has been one of the top receivers since coming into the league but hasn't gotten credit for that until last year. He gets more credit as a thug then he does as the top receiver in the league.

**Rain Man** · 10-12-2005, 12:25 AM

Moss is so one dimensional is the thing that makes him overrated. He is so much faster than the corners that he just does straight routes. Never goes across the middle or can run after the catch like TO does. I have never really seen Chad Johnson play so IDK about him. But Moss is def not better than TO.

**BCWWF** · 10-12-2005, 12:32 AM

TO plays on a better team in a bigger market, which is the only reason he is compared. No doubt he is a great wide receiver, but Moss and Harrison are special receivers, they just have incredible talent.

**Gonzo** · 10-12-2005, 12:41 AM

Different types of receivers. I can't say which one is better than who or is the best because each one fits their team because of their style of play.

RP · 10-12-2005, 12:44 AM

Deion Branch > *

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 10-12-2005, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Crimson

I'll agree when you name a better run stuffer.

From the safety position? Rodney Harrison maybe.

Being a good run stuffer doesn't mean you can't be overrated as a safety though.

**Crimson** · 10-12-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

From the safety position? Rodney Harrison maybe.

Being a good run stuffer doesn't mean you can't be overrated as a safety though.

I agree, im trying to defend my Roy Williams godamnit.

**Yashamaga** · 10-12-2005, 04:03 PM

I'll go some hockey on you

Rick Nash - Why this guy gets all the praise that he gets I don't know. He's only like 20 years old so he could improve though but I've seen him play and the goals that he gets all seem to be garbage goals out of scrambles in front of the net and the occasional one timer fed to him that he finishes. I haven't seen him use puck handling skills all too often. And look at his stats: 41 goals and SIXTEEN assists. You can't blame that all on the CLB's offense because they have a few good players (Vyborny,Zherdev,Marchant).

and to lesser extents:

Sergei Gonchar: Great with the puck, but for a defenseman he sure doesn't know how to defend.

Glen Murray: GREAT finisher, but without Thornton he's a 50 point player.

J.S. Giguere: Amazing 2002, with the best playoff performance I've seen in my life. Other than that though, he's been just a decent goalie.

And on Yahoo Fantasy Sports: Anson Carter. (what the hell is up with his ranking being like 45?

)

**Yashamaga** · 10-12-2005, 04:09 PM

And Chad Johnson's the man btw

**Nark Order** · 10-12-2005, 07:53 PM

Tito Ortiz

**VonErich Lives** · 10-12-2005, 08:40 PM

Hero - On Jeter I agree, I always call him the Ted Bruschi of Baseball, may not be the most talented, but works his ass off and out performs his skill. I've always said, he's one Yankee I’d be more then happy to have on the Red Sox.

Hero - as for the "everyone wrong", RP, who thinks I know nothing because I don't agree Peyton Manning is the best QB ever. Miz - Who takes cheap shots, and calls people names to make his point, then when given questions ignores them and responds with his own questions and an overload of stats that had nothing to do with the original question he ignored (like the Kane Knight of the sports forum), You, who clearly know what I said but figured you'd try and get a rile out of me, I'll respond, but could really care less, but I'm sure it makes you happy and 2 others who never posted in the thread and deiced to "up their post count" or "try and be on the cool side" of a disagreement and when asked for facts to backup their comments disappear as quickly as they arrived. Yeah, then I guess that's everyone...

RP - You're still an idiot, your quotes proved my point. Yes, I called you an idiot, but it wasn't a response to some stat or facts about the Red Sox or Patriots like you're claiming, really... just stick to Peyton, a subject you know well. To clarify, so you can understand, I didn't call you an idiot because you think Peyton > Brady, I didn't call you an idiot because you think Colts > Pats or Colts = Super bowl, I only call you an idiot when you say things that make no sense, like when you responded to something that I quoted Miz and responded to him, and you replied like you somehow thought I meant you and a completely different subject.

Miz - First, great edit job there, way to take part of a quote and make it look like that's all I said. I find it really funny you would even say anything, when your normally the first to pull out an insult in a discussion and typically I ignore you're stupid stuff, because when it comes to stats/facts you do know you're stuff and find a lot of stats, but you're the first to call someone stupid or and idiot when you disagree with their opinion, even better has been you're recent job of making things up I never said. "Your opinion doesn't count because you like Seattle" that's crap, and you know I never said that, and even if you wish to twist something I said to make it look like that's what I meant you know I didn't.

Anyway, hope we're done with this game and we can all get back to our usual discussions.

So, to summarize, I could really give a crap less what you all think, but trying to discuss opinions and facts and stats, when people keep mixing in all this bullshit get's annoying, most the people who post on here don't have the time to go through every thread and a bunch of useless posts and when they start seeing this crap just skip to the next thread which kills a discussion.

**VonErich Lives** · 10-12-2005, 08:44 PM

One last thing to clarify, then I'm done replying to this crap.

I did not say you can't have an opinion of a team, if the team you root for did worse.

What I've said, it is seems pretty stupid, dumb, silly, whatever you wan't to call it, to "rag on" a team, when the team you support did worse. "Rag on" not, bring up facts why they did bad etc, but stuff like "they suck" etc...

Hero, I'm still waiting for your answer on this "Red sox fans think everyone cares about the Red Sox". I'm just wondering where you get this idea?

Do Sox v. Yanks get more coverage then other teams? Sure, but clearly someone besides Boston & NY must care, otherwise TV is driven by raitings and people changing the channel would cause a change in format.

Look at WS viewing numbers, which turns into AD $$$'s which is why sports are on TV.

But, at least all the Sox fans I know, don't think everyone cares about the Sox, and could careless who else wants to see them.

**VonErich Lives** · 10-12-2005, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by deadlyheaven

Tito Ortiz

Interesting choice..

12-4.

I admit I don't know a lot about UFC, try to follow but not closely enough.

He beat Ken Shamrock past his prime (Shamrock was past his prime).

Then dropped back to back to Couture & Liddell.

Ortiz is 30, was his past his prime? or just too cocky?

**The Miz** · 10-12-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

when given questions ignores them and responds with his own questions and an overload of stats that had nothing to do with the original question he ignored

I'd like to show me an example of me doing this. If you have any unanswered questions, post em again, I'll humor you.

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

because when it comes to stats/facts you do know you're stuff and find a lot of stats,

Like 3 days ago you said "You don't understand stats"

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"Your opinion doesn't count because you like Seattle" that's crap, and you know I never said that, and even if you wish to twist something I said to make it look like that's what I meant you know I didn't.

Seattle is your backup plan. When you know you're defeated you throw in a Seattle jab. I challenge you to find one time where I debated you about something and I mentioned the Red Sox when they were not the subject. Because you've done it about 500 times with Seattle.

RP · 10-12-2005, 09:10 PM

Hero - as for the "everyone wrong", RP, who thinks I know nothing because I don't agree Peyton Manning is the best QB ever.

I stopped reading right there. I've never once said that on this board. Which pretty much proves my point. You are a New England propagandist. You spew shit that no one has ever said to prove arguments against people that no one has ever made.

I did skim through and notice you called me an idiot again though.

**VonErich Lives** · 10-12-2005, 09:11 PM

Miz - I'll do a search when I have time, part of it is, we seem to discuss the same things in multiple threads.

I'll have to look, but I think my "you don't understand stats" was in response to you trying to tell me the same thing....

No, Seattle isn't a backup plan, with the exception of a "joke" at the end of a response (the watching other games) I strictly bring it up in response to you taking shots, not discussing a subject. The exception being the "sox buy everyone" and I just used your team as one of the examples as a team that spent money and didn't win, v. a teams that don't spend a lot and do well.

anyway, enough wasting our time on this crap... let's talk free agents, since we sox fans think everyone only cares about the Red Sox, then the season is over and we should discuss free agents. Of course, the CS and WS TV ratings could prove me wrong, and maybe everyone doesn't care about the sox (anyone who couldn't figure that out, it was major sarcasm, not being serious)

**VonErich Lives** · 10-12-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder

Hero - as for the "everyone wrong", RP, who thinks I know nothing because I don't agree Peyton Manning is the best QB ever.

I stopped reading right there. I've never once said that on this board. Which pretty much proves my point. You are a New England propagandist. You spew shit that no one has ever said to prove arguments against people that no one has ever made.

I did skim through and notice you called me an idiot again though.

You're completely useless, I'm just adding you to my ban list, because it's a waste of time reading your crap.

You respond without reading, make things up people never said and accuse people of things they never said.

You're simply a waste of time.

have fun, when the seasons over and the Colts don't win the superbowl I'll be sure to take you off the blocked list so I can watch you eat your crow.

**BCWWF** · 10-12-2005, 09:17 PM

DaveWadding - You continue to discuss topic on this board. Dave "I am a fan of the shitty ass Rams" Wadding, all you ever do is post and rep, you never do anything else on these boards. Until you can gain some credibility back and start rooting for the Twins, I am going to ingnore every post until further notice. Goodday.

RP · 10-12-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

You're completely useless, I'm just adding you to my ban list, because it's a waste of time reading your crap.

You respond without reading, make things up people never said and accuse people of things they never said.

You're simply a waste of time.

have fun, when the seasons over and the Colts don't win the superbowl I'll be sure to take you off the blocked list so I can watch you eat your crow.

I have a feeling i wont be coming off this ban list.

**The Outlaw** · 10-12-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

DaveWadding - You continue to discuss topic on this board. Dave "I am a fan of the shitty ass Rams" Wadding, all you ever do is post and rep, you never do anything else on these boards. Until you can gain some credibility back and start rooting for the Twins, I am going to ingnore every post until further notice. Goodday.

lol where did that come from?

**YOUR Hero** · 10-12-2005, 10:55 PM

VEL, are you saying Red Sox fans don't (didn't) always go on about how they never won a championship since 1918 or whatever it was? How it's been 86 years and its time that they win one. TV, newspaper, movies even. Guess what, not everyone cares. Not everyone shares that sentiment. I care for my team to win. I like to talk about other teams too, but I cannot stand hearing everyone every year the Red Sox are in the playoffs go on and on about the curse of Ruth. Shut up already.

You yourself then go on to say "ratings prove that people want to see Boston" WTF! How can you on one hand say "No Red Sox fan only cares about Boston" and then say that. It's a hypocritical statement.

**Kid Robb** · 10-13-2005, 04:06 AM

Steph Marbury. Most overrated player in the NBA.

**VonErich Lives** · 10-13-2005, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

VEL, are you saying Red Sox fans don't (didn't) always go on about how they never won a championship since 1918 or whatever it was? How it's been 86 years and its time that they win one. TV, newspaper, movies even. Guess what, not everyone cares. Not everyone shares that sentiment. I care for my team to win. I like to talk about other teams too, but I cannot stand hearing everyone every year the Red Sox are in the playoffs go on and on about the curse of Ruth. Shut up already.

You yourself then go on to say "ratings prove that people want to see Boston" WTF! How can you on one hand say "No Red Sox fan only cares about Boston" and then say that. It's a hypocritical statement.

Hero, my point is, you seemed (correct me if I read you wrong) to be saying that Red Sox fans try to force our Red Sox on everyone. My point is, we could careless, the same way you "care for my team to win" we care for ours. Do we get extra media time? Sure, so do the NYY, so do the LA Lakers when they have a bad team, it has nothing to do with Sox Fans feeling "superior" it has to do with TV Execs looking at markets and buy rates, and yeah, the Red Sox not winning for 86 years, but coming close a few times and having things like, Buckner, The Phantom Tag, Buckey Dent etc... fueled that stupid "curse" things. I never bought the curse. Buckner never should have been out there, it should have been Dave Stapelton but Macnemara wanted Buckner on the field when they won. The Phantom Tag was a game of bad calls, Buckey Dent, well... it was a good hit.

Do we the fans talk about our team? Sure, the same way fans of other teams talk about their teams.

When it comes to what's on ESPN or who gets the Prime Time Fox Game, if it was just boston fans (or NYY) we wouldn't get the coverage we do.

**VonErich Lives** · 10-13-2005, 05:51 AM

This message is hidden because Rectal Pertruder is on your ignore list.

(does happy dance)

RP · 10-13-2005, 03:06 PM

Well i'm glad because i wouldnt want you to know that i fucked your g/f on the 50 yard line of Gillette stadium and then wiped my dick off with a Teddy Bruschi jersey and proclaimed that i had all the stroke.

10-11-2005, 09:01 AM	#83
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Not by a huge amount but I think Lamont Jordan is a little overrated. Now by the end of the year this statement could be reversed but so far he is only averaging 3.7 YPC with like 1 or 2 TD's. He was pretty decent in his role with the Jets but I don't know if he has solidified his position as a #1 RB just yet. So until then, for as much as he was hyped going to Oakland, I think he is a tad overrated.

10-11-2005, 05:58 PM	#87
Team Sheep T�m Defaid Posts: 6,646	Gavin Henson

10-11-2005, 08:07 PM	#89
weather vane Forever Posts: 23,561	Jeremy Shockey is not overrated at all. Dumbest thing I have ever heard.

10-11-2005, 10:24 PM	#93
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	LOL this might be my favorite VEL post of all time, here's a breakdown of my post and his response. The Miz: 1. Just because Hank Blalock has few errors and a high FPCT that does not make him a great third baseman. 2. Errors are an innacurate stat. Errors are often incorrectly awarded and often unawarded when they should be. 3. Hank Blalock had a better first baseman than Eric Chavez for half a year, helping out with his error count. 4. Based on my viewing of the games and not stats, Chavez is better than Blalock. VEL: 1. You made a typo. 2. You act like you watch every game. 3. I didn't say any one deserved more than any other, I just brought up names. 4. You don't understand stats. 5. Gold gloves are not based upon how you think a player looks. (Editors note: What?) 6. Errors and fielding percentage = defense 7. The Mariners are bad.

10-11-2005, 10:37 PM	#94
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Editors note:... LMAO

10-12-2005, 12:25 AM	#97
Rain Man MoeFREAK Posts: 1,682	Moss is so one dimensional is the thing that makes him overrated. He is so much faster than the corners that he just does straight routes. Never goes across the middle or can run after the catch like TO does. I have never really seen Chad Johnson play so IDK about him. But Moss is def not better than TO.

10-12-2005, 12:32 AM	#98
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	TO plays on a better team in a bigger market, which is the only reason he is compared. No doubt he is a great wide receiver, but Moss and Harrison are special receivers, they just have incredible talent.

10-12-2005, 12:41 AM	#99
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Different types of receivers. I can't say which one is better than who or is the best because each one fits their team because of their style of play.

10-12-2005, 12:44 AM	#100
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,993	Deion Branch > *

10-12-2005, 04:03 PM	#103
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	I'll go some hockey on you Rick Nash - Why this guy gets all the praise that he gets I don't know. He's only like 20 years old so he could improve though but I've seen him play and the goals that he gets all seem to be garbage goals out of scrambles in front of the net and the occasional one timer fed to him that he finishes. I haven't seen him use puck handling skills all too often. And look at his stats: 41 goals and SIXTEEN assists. You can't blame that all on the CLB's offense because they have a few good players (Vyborny,Zherdev,Marchant). and to lesser extents: Sergei Gonchar: Great with the puck, but for a defenseman he sure doesn't know how to defend. Glen Murray: GREAT finisher, but without Thornton he's a 50 point player. J.S. Giguere: Amazing 2002, with the best playoff performance I've seen in my life. Other than that though, he's been just a decent goalie. And on Yahoo Fantasy Sports: Anson Carter. (what the hell is up with his ranking being like 45? )

10-12-2005, 04:09 PM	#104
Yashamaga The Franchise Posts: 7,368	And Chad Johnson's the man btw

10-12-2005, 07:53 PM	#105
Nark Order Soundly Defeated Wadding Posts: 40,590	Tito Ortiz

10-12-2005, 08:40 PM	#106
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Hero - On Jeter I agree, I always call him the Ted Bruschi of Baseball, may not be the most talented, but works his ass off and out performs his skill. I've always said, he's one Yankee I’d be more then happy to have on the Red Sox. Hero - as for the "everyone wrong", RP, who thinks I know nothing because I don't agree Peyton Manning is the best QB ever. Miz - Who takes cheap shots, and calls people names to make his point, then when given questions ignores them and responds with his own questions and an overload of stats that had nothing to do with the original question he ignored (like the Kane Knight of the sports forum), You, who clearly know what I said but figured you'd try and get a rile out of me, I'll respond, but could really care less, but I'm sure it makes you happy and 2 others who never posted in the thread and deiced to "up their post count" or "try and be on the cool side" of a disagreement and when asked for facts to backup their comments disappear as quickly as they arrived. Yeah, then I guess that's everyone... RP - You're still an idiot, your quotes proved my point. Yes, I called you an idiot, but it wasn't a response to some stat or facts about the Red Sox or Patriots like you're claiming, really... just stick to Peyton, a subject you know well. To clarify, so you can understand, I didn't call you an idiot because you think Peyton > Brady, I didn't call you an idiot because you think Colts > Pats or Colts = Super bowl, I only call you an idiot when you say things that make no sense, like when you responded to something that I quoted Miz and responded to him, and you replied like you somehow thought I meant you and a completely different subject. Miz - First, great edit job there, way to take part of a quote and make it look like that's all I said. I find it really funny you would even say anything, when your normally the first to pull out an insult in a discussion and typically I ignore you're stupid stuff, because when it comes to stats/facts you do know you're stuff and find a lot of stats, but you're the first to call someone stupid or and idiot when you disagree with their opinion, even better has been you're recent job of making things up I never said. "Your opinion doesn't count because you like Seattle" that's crap, and you know I never said that, and even if you wish to twist something I said to make it look like that's what I meant you know I didn't. Anyway, hope we're done with this game and we can all get back to our usual discussions. So, to summarize, I could really give a crap less what you all think, but trying to discuss opinions and facts and stats, when people keep mixing in all this bullshit get's annoying, most the people who post on here don't have the time to go through every thread and a bunch of useless posts and when they start seeing this crap just skip to the next thread which kills a discussion.

10-12-2005, 08:44 PM	#107
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	One last thing to clarify, then I'm done replying to this crap. I did not say you can't have an opinion of a team, if the team you root for did worse. What I've said, it is seems pretty stupid, dumb, silly, whatever you wan't to call it, to "rag on" a team, when the team you support did worse. "Rag on" not, bring up facts why they did bad etc, but stuff like "they suck" etc... Hero, I'm still waiting for your answer on this "Red sox fans think everyone cares about the Red Sox". I'm just wondering where you get this idea? Do Sox v. Yanks get more coverage then other teams? Sure, but clearly someone besides Boston & NY must care, otherwise TV is driven by raitings and people changing the channel would cause a change in format. Look at WS viewing numbers, which turns into AD $$$'s which is why sports are on TV. But, at least all the Sox fans I know, don't think everyone cares about the Sox, and could careless who else wants to see them.

10-12-2005, 09:10 PM	#110
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,993	Hero - as for the "everyone wrong", RP, who thinks I know nothing because I don't agree Peyton Manning is the best QB ever. I stopped reading right there. I've never once said that on this board. Which pretty much proves my point. You are a New England propagandist. You spew shit that no one has ever said to prove arguments against people that no one has ever made. I did skim through and notice you called me an idiot again though.

10-12-2005, 09:11 PM	#111
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Miz - I'll do a search when I have time, part of it is, we seem to discuss the same things in multiple threads. I'll have to look, but I think my "you don't understand stats" was in response to you trying to tell me the same thing.... No, Seattle isn't a backup plan, with the exception of a "joke" at the end of a response (the watching other games) I strictly bring it up in response to you taking shots, not discussing a subject. The exception being the "sox buy everyone" and I just used your team as one of the examples as a team that spent money and didn't win, v. a teams that don't spend a lot and do well. anyway, enough wasting our time on this crap... let's talk free agents, since we sox fans think everyone only cares about the Red Sox, then the season is over and we should discuss free agents. Of course, the CS and WS TV ratings could prove me wrong, and maybe everyone doesn't care about the sox (anyone who couldn't figure that out, it was major sarcasm, not being serious)

10-12-2005, 09:17 PM	#113
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	DaveWadding - You continue to discuss topic on this board. Dave "I am a fan of the shitty ass Rams" Wadding, all you ever do is post and rep, you never do anything else on these boards. Until you can gain some credibility back and start rooting for the Twins, I am going to ingnore every post until further notice. Goodday.

10-12-2005, 10:55 PM	#116
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	VEL, are you saying Red Sox fans don't (didn't) always go on about how they never won a championship since 1918 or whatever it was? How it's been 86 years and its time that they win one. TV, newspaper, movies even. Guess what, not everyone cares. Not everyone shares that sentiment. I care for my team to win. I like to talk about other teams too, but I cannot stand hearing everyone every year the Red Sox are in the playoffs go on and on about the curse of Ruth. Shut up already. You yourself then go on to say "ratings prove that people want to see Boston" WTF! How can you on one hand say "No Red Sox fan only cares about Boston" and then say that. It's a hypocritical statement.

10-13-2005, 04:06 AM	#117
Kid Robb Mr. Bump Posts: 8,990	Steph Marbury. Most overrated player in the NBA.

10-13-2005, 05:51 AM	#119
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	This message is hidden because Rectal Pertruder is on your ignore list. (does happy dance)

10-13-2005, 03:06 PM	#120
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,993	Well i'm glad because i wouldnt want you to know that i fucked your g/f on the 50 yard line of Gillette stadium and then wiped my dick off with a Teddy Bruschi jersey and proclaimed that i had all the stroke.