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Old 03-04-2006, 02:30 PM   #81
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lol does anyone think it's a bad omen for Forrest Griffin that they're calling UFC: 59, where he's headlining against Tito, "Reality Check". Whatever, he has it in him to win, so we'll wait and see.
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PREDICTIONS TONIGHT:

crow vs. ace- I like both guys, and I'm pulling for the Crow, but if I bet, I'd bet on Franklin. He's just the better fighter, and I have a strong feeling he's going to prove it tonight. I give this fight to Franklin in a 3rd round ko, in a hard fought struggle. Though Crow (hopefully) could catch him with one of those shredding elbows and take it on the cut, which would be awesome lol.

Penn vs. Georges- man I've got no idea really, I wanna say Georges because I like him...but fuckit, this is BJ Penn we're talking about. I'm gonna say Penn, 2nd round chokeout , but hopefully Georges can get on top and deliver those elbows all them Canadians like to do.

Stout vs. Fisher- seen one fight of both of these guys, and I'm going to go with Stout, because he's got hands of stone apparently lol.

Swick vs. Vigneault- Swick for sure...never seen Vigneault fight, but apparently he's a legend in Montreal, but IMO they're gonna feed Swick cans for a while to protect him, so I predict another quick first round ko done in Swick fu fashion and he'll get his rematch with Leben at some point.

Yves Edwards vs. Mark Hominick- I remember seeing Edwards fight once, he seemed like a badass so I'll go with him...lol

fuck doing anything else, no other fights really mean anything.
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Franklin v. Louiseau
I'm predicting a new champ tonight. The Crow wins by ref stoppage (blood) in the 4th round. Franklin will have a very hard time not getting cut in this one. He'll probably be cut by the 2nd round and will try to fight with it as long as he can. I don't see Louiseau being able to finish Franklin, but in the 4th the cut will just be too much. The only reason I really wouldn't mind a blood stoppage in this one, is because that almost garauntees a rematch.

GSP v. BJ Penn
Submission in the 2nd round is a pretty good bet, but as I'm typing I still haven't decided who I expect to win. They are both going to come out agressive in the first and will probably use a LOT of energy doing so. I expect one of them to be pretty tired into the 2nd and make a mistake that the other will capitalize on. If it were just this fight, I'd rather see GSP win, but since its basically a number one contender match, it makes things different. I'd kinda like to see Penn win simply to put to rest the arguments about him being the true champ and whatnot. He'd have a rematch with Hughes and they could settle it all.
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GSP/Hughes coming soon! Penn kinda let off after busting up GSP..I guess he thought that alone would get him a win? Glad GSP won, he went all out .
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I wish GSP/Penn hadn't gone to a decision. There are way too many people trying to discredit GSP for that victory. It was a great fight, and I think the decision was spot on.

All I can say about Franklin/Louiseau is "ouch."
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Shit, I missed this PPV. Who won between Rich and the Crow?
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Franklin by unanimous decision

GSP over BJ by decision, gets rematch against Hughes
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The judges score for the Franklin/Crow fight were 50-43, 50-42, 50-42. Franklin dominated.
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The unanimous five round decision read 50-42 twice and 50-43 for Franklin, who defended his crown for the second time and did it with a broken left hand - and possibly a broken foot and right hand - from the second round on.

“It’s the first fight where I’ve gone to a decision, so I’m very displeased with myself,” said Franklin, who could now be dubbed ‘The Punisher’ after his dominating performance.

Kicking was the weapon of choice early on. Loiseau missed his first high kick, but landed his second, producing nary a pause from Franklin, who responded with a kick of his own that was in turn answered by ‘The Crow’. Both decided to test their hands moments later, and though Loiseau’s handspeed was superior, it was Franklin who jarred the challenger and sent him sprawling into the fence briefly. Loiseau answered with a flush shot of his own, but Franklin took it well. With under 1:30 to go, Franklin picked up his pace a bit, though many of his shots were deflected or avoided by Loiseau. The respect both fighters had for each other was obvious though, and it appeared that the combatants were settling in for a long battle, something that almost didn’t happen when Franklin put Loiseau on the deck at the bell with a right to the jaw.

Looking to follow-up on his good fortune from the previous round, Franklin aggressively pursued Loiseau, who refused to engage when the champion attacked. Loiseau then suffered a delayed reaction to a punch from Franklin and the champ pounced and put the challenger on the mat. Once the two rose, Loiseau, with a nasty knot over his right eye and a bloody nose, was even less amenable to trading with the champ, even turning his back on Franklin on a few occasions. With under two minutes left, Franklin continued to dominate from corner to corner as Loiseau’s legs didn’t even seem to want to hold him anymore. With less than 30 seconds left, Franklin went for the finish, slamming Loiseau and pounding him, but the bell intervened.

Loiseau opened up with some kicks to start the third round and make a charge for the title, but again it was Franklin with a quick takedown that turned into a sequence where he got Loiseau’s back and looked to end the bout. ‘The Crow’ survived, but when he rose, the knot over his right eye worsened and he was cut over both eyes. After the doctor allowed the fight to continue, Loiseau finally struck paydirt, knocking Franklin to the mat with a left hook and suddenly putting the Cincinnati native in trouble.

“I wasn’t hurt, I wanted to create a little drama,” joked Franklin. “That’s a lie. Dave clipped me.”

Franklin was able to buy some time along the fence though, and he again put it on the Montreal native, whose face was battered beyond recognition. Loiseau, who was obviously having trouble seeing, started to paw with his arm to at least touch Franklin and know where he was, undoubtedly a bad sign, but he was able to survive the third stanza.

At the start of the fourth, the two combatants again touched gloves, this time even smiling at each other in appreciation of the courage both were showing. By the end of the opening minute, Franklin again got Loiseau’s back and battered the courageous Canadian, who refused to give in. A slam by ‘Ace’ at the three minute mark didn’t help matters, and referee John McCarthy was watching the fight closely, but when Loiseau rose, he was ready to fight again. Franklin, way ahead at this point, took the pace back a bit as looked to reload his guns for another run in the final round.

Far behind, Loiseau went for broke in the fifth, still throwing leg kicks with brutal power. Franklin was just too strong at this point in the fight, and he easily took ‘The Crow’ down again. Loiseau tried to fight his way out of trouble, but Franklin put him right back in a precarious spot and got his back once again – usually a sure way to end a fight, but it was as if Loiseau got it in his head that he would not give in at any cost.

He didn’t. And even though he lost his fight for the UFC middleweight title, David Loiseau definitely earned the crown as the toughest fighter in the world.
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I watched GSP vs. Penn and crow vs. ace on Youtube since I'm brokeass. Anyways, I'd give GSP the victory because Penn didn't do shit after the first round to win the fight, and GSP did amazingly to recover from the thumb to the eye/barrage by Penn.

Man, Franklin is just a machine, insanely well conditioned...shows that they weren't bullshitting on All Access. Mad props to Loiseau though, he hung in there and did everything within his power to win the fight...he never quit even though it was apparent after the second round it wasn't going to be his night, and he battled through his eyes swelling like biatches. But man, Ace is dommmmmmmmmminant, it's scary. Wanna see him fight Henderson real badly.
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Penn vs. Pierre pt. I- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMIwr...earch=UFC%2058

Penn vs. Pierre pt. II- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YipvX...earch=UFC%2058

Penn vs. Pierre pt. III- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD5bv...earch=UFC%2058

Franklin Loiseau pt. I- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6wG...earch=UFC%2058

Franklin Loiseau pt. II- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAyrW...earch=UFC%2058
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Penn seemed quite bitter about the loss. His team were moaning about GSP's face. Obviously Penn couldn't have landed 2 good shots and busted him up in the first and then get dominated in the second and third rounds now could he? GSP deseved the win big time.

David Loiseau didn't even show up to fight. Franklin looked like a freak on a leash coming into the octogon. He looks unbeatable at 185lbs.
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Penn was pretty gracious I thought, he was disappointed and it was a close fight, so I don't think he was out of line or anything.
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Oh and Rob, The Crow could barely see. He still went on and had flurries of good offence. Nothing like Rich, but he showed up, he was just blind for a lot of the fight. He got beat, but don't say he was a no show.
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Yeah I feel bad for Penn, but he didn't do anything of note in the 2nd and 3rd, and really, if you think about it, his main offense was all caused by the thumb to the eye.

He was pretty gracious/bitter. I think he just hates judges, so it pissed him off, be he respects GSP so he gave him credit where credit was due.
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Oh and Rob, The Crow could barely see. He still went on and had flurries of good offence. Nothing like Rich, but he showed up, he was just blind for a lot of the fight. He got beat, but don't say he was a no show.
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Barely see? The doctor checked him and let it go on. If he visual was affected, he would have stopped it. Granted, his face looked a mess but he did nothing in the first 2 rounds when his face was in better nick.
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Barely see? The doctor checked him and let it go on. If he visual was affected, he would have stopped it. Granted, his face looked a mess but he did nothing in the first 2 rounds when his face was in better nick.
You have to consider how bad Franklin hurt him with the body kick. He was probably badly winded, just trying to hold on. You need to give credit where credit is due, he held on to the bitter end and did everything in his power to get the win. I mean he did knock down Franklin. Obviously it wasn't his best performance, but you need to give the guy credit for not giving up, even when it was clear that it just wasn't his night.
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Oh I give him credit. He must have balls the size of an Irish broads arse because he took a fucking beat down and never quit. I'm not saying he wasn't good enough or didn't try. My comment was more along the lines of he just didn't have anything to offer on that night. No answers to any of Franklin's offence. Even saying that, the part of round 3 where he came to life, I thought he had him.
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Yeah I hear what you're saying. It clearly was not his night at all, and he just wasn't gonna win the fight, which was why I give him credit for sticking around and taking that asswhooping like a man.
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Have you seen this brawl after the Coleman vs. Shogun fight on the Pride show? I heard it was on youtube
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=nyT4PT1lJDw&search=pride There it is.
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lol yeah I saw it. Ridiculousness, I can't believe Coleman's convinced himself that he actually won that fight because he tried to do that. I hope Shogun fucking shitkicks him the next time they fight...which he will.
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I kind of wish PRIDE did an invasion of UFC with Fedor. Like I mean fuck, mainly because I want to see him first fight Tim Sylvia and tear that flabby fuck apart. He's such an arrogant prick who Fedor would just tear apart and make him look like an amateur. I can't believe that useless shite is #2 in the UFC. Then obviously there'd be the demolition of Arlovski, but I wouldn't take as much pleasure in that because AA is kind of cool, but still it'd be a magnificent beat down.
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lol yeah I saw it. Ridiculousness, I can't believe Coleman's convinced himself that he actually won that fight because he tried to do that. I hope Shogun fucking shitkicks him the next time they fight...which he will.
Well he did win the fight because of that. To me, that is more of a victory than say Vitor Belfort beating Randy Couture because he cut his eye lid with a nick off his glove.
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I understand your position better now, Rob. I'd agree with that assessment you made.


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The sport of mixed martial arts (MMA) is developing a substantial following, but is it cultivating any of boxing's mainstream audience?

Zuffa LLC, the Nevada company which controls the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) and is thus the sport's dominant player in the U.S., has attempted to reach more avid boxing fans by courting the boxing media.

Also...
UFC on verge of explosion
What's it like being an Ultimate Fighter?


At last year's Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA) dinner in Las Vegas, UFC had a substantial presence. Kevin Iole, the boxing beat writer for the Las Vegas Review-Journal, has covered every UFC event held in the city and thinks the barriers to acceptance by the mainstream boxing press and public have more to do with the limitations imposed on the major media than the quality of the UFC product.
"In newspapers, space is at a premium, even for boxing," says Iole, who says he's grown to appreciate the UFC as he's seen more of it. "To go to MMA, that requires the writers taking the time to understand the difference and to search out the demographic, and the writers aren't going to do that. They're going to try to get more space for what they already know and are comfortable with, and that's boxing."
One of the reasons newspapers aren't clamoring to cover the UFC is that mixed martial arts fans are not their customers. UFC's demographics skew younger, and young people are reading newspapers less and less these days. According to a study done by the Online Publishers Association, for only nine percent of adults aged 18-34 is the newspaper the first or second medium of choice.
Also, mixed martial arts has still yet to be sanctioned in many states. Fewer than half of state athletic commissions, which were formed for the purposes of regulating boxing, allow it; among those who do are influential states such as Nevada, New Jersey, Florida, and California, with an MMA-only commission having been recently been established in North Dakota. Because of that, UFC is still working to combat its "outlaw" perception — not the least of which is a confusion with Toughman contests, with which it has no affiliation — that is not often compatible with mainstream media coverage.
Generally, the safety aspects of the UFC, the result of a restructuring of the rules in the late 1990s, stand up favorably to those of boxing, but commissions have been slow to catch on, principally due to a lack of understanding of the disciplines the sport encompasses.
Larry Hazzard, commissioner of the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board, was the first commissioner to give MMA his stamp of approval. But Hazzard brought plenty of background to his decision; he has black belts in Karate and Brazilian Ju-Jitsu and has taught close-quarter combat at a number of law-enforcement academies.
"Yes, this is a combat sport, but it's still a totally different animal," Hazzard said. "People are used to boxing, and they know what they're looking for. And it seems this (MMA) loses a lot of people once it gets to the ground. They don't understand the wrestling and the submission holds. If you put together a highlight clip of MMA action, it seems more brutal, and that's probably turned some people off."
Younger viewers are as likely to know UFC welterweight champion Matt Hughes as they are the big names in boxing. (John Gichigi / Getty Images)

"It's still more a spectacle than a sport in many people's minds," says Tim Graham, boxing writer for the Buffalo News, who was recently elected president of the BWAA. "But I'm a fan of it. I see it as a very pure and worthwhile sport that's a worthy competitor to boxing."
Graham looks upon the fact that the UFC is both the promoter and the sanctioning body as a positive for the fans. "They basically control their product, and they can put on the very best matchups possible and give the fans what they want on a very structured basis. So from a business standpoint, it's everything boxing isn't."
Iole echoes that, making the point that not only does the UFC seem to be more responsive to public demand than most boxing promoters, it has the business model necessary to do something about it: "If there's a big matchup in a division, they get that fight made right away."
Old-line boxing people have expressed little interest in the UFC or mixed martial arts in general, and that prospect is not likely to change. International matchmaker and agent Don Majeski points out that there was more commonality between boxing and wrestling fans in the 1950s and '60s, but he doesn't see it happening with boxing and MMA.
"Years ago there used to be wrestling and boxing in the same place, where you'd see a wrestling match one night and boxing the next night, or vice versa," Majeski said. "And often the boxing promoter and the wrestling promoter were one in the same, or they had a great rivalry between the two of them, where each disdained the sport of the other, and they went after each other's fans. (With MMA) I haven't seen much crossover promotion."
Younger boxing promoters, however, may be more accepting of MMA events. Scott Wagner, 37, who promotes his regular "Ballroom Boxing" series out of Glen Burnie, Md., says that if the sport was sanctioned and regulated in his state (it is not), he wouldn't hesitate to put on shows. "I'd do it in a minute," he says. "Actually, it wouldn't even take me that long."
Wagner recognizes something in the UFC's approach that boxing doesn't have a hold on. "People who don't like it are basing their judgments on something they don't know about," he says. "What I see about the sport is that the demographic, as far as sponsors go, is a bonanza. It's male, 18-25. I went to one of those events. They sold 16,000 tickets or however many that joint held. You couldn't get in that place. How many boxing matches do you go to and see that many people?" There is little question that mixed martial arts is one of the fastest growing sports in America. "By the end of this fiscal year," says Hazzard, "we will have sanctioned more MMA shows than pro boxing shows in this state, which is a first." It likely won't be the last time we'll hear that. MMA promoters, specifically the UFC, seem to possess more marketing savvy than their boxing brethren. They may not be capturing the boxing audience now, but they're latching on to a generation of customers who will eventually make up more and more of the demographic pool. And as its dyed-in-the-wool loyalists become fewer in number, boxing may in time have problems arousing the interest of fans who have been weaned on MMA.


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The sport of mixed martial arts (MMA) is developing a substantial following, but is it cultivating any of boxing's mainstream audience?

Zuffa LLC, the Nevada company which controls the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) and is thus the sport's dominant player in the U.S., has attempted to reach more avid boxing fans by courting the boxing media.

Also...
UFC on verge of explosion
What's it like being an Ultimate Fighter?


At last year's Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA) dinner in Las Vegas, UFC had a substantial presence. Kevin Iole, the boxing beat writer for the Las Vegas Review-Journal, has covered every UFC event held in the city and thinks the barriers to acceptance by the mainstream boxing press and public have more to do with the limitations imposed on the major media than the quality of the UFC product.
"In newspapers, space is at a premium, even for boxing," says Iole, who says he's grown to appreciate the UFC as he's seen more of it. "To go to MMA, that requires the writers taking the time to understand the difference and to search out the demographic, and the writers aren't going to do that. They're going to try to get more space for what they already know and are comfortable with, and that's boxing."
One of the reasons newspapers aren't clamoring to cover the UFC is that mixed martial arts fans are not their customers. UFC's demographics skew younger, and young people are reading newspapers less and less these days. According to a study done by the Online Publishers Association, for only nine percent of adults aged 18-34 is the newspaper the first or second medium of choice.
Also, mixed martial arts has still yet to be sanctioned in many states. Fewer than half of state athletic commissions, which were formed for the purposes of regulating boxing, allow it; among those who do are influential states such as Nevada, New Jersey, Florida, and California, with an MMA-only commission having been recently been established in North Dakota. Because of that, UFC is still working to combat its "outlaw" perception — not the least of which is a confusion with Toughman contests, with which it has no affiliation — that is not often compatible with mainstream media coverage.
Generally, the safety aspects of the UFC, the result of a restructuring of the rules in the late 1990s, stand up favorably to those of boxing, but commissions have been slow to catch on, principally due to a lack of understanding of the disciplines the sport encompasses.
Larry Hazzard, commissioner of the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board, was the first commissioner to give MMA his stamp of approval. But Hazzard brought plenty of background to his decision; he has black belts in Karate and Brazilian Ju-Jitsu and has taught close-quarter combat at a number of law-enforcement academies.
"Yes, this is a combat sport, but it's still a totally different animal," Hazzard said. "People are used to boxing, and they know what they're looking for. And it seems this (MMA) loses a lot of people once it gets to the ground. They don't understand the wrestling and the submission holds. If you put together a highlight clip of MMA action, it seems more brutal, and that's probably turned some people off."
Younger viewers are as likely to know UFC welterweight champion Matt Hughes as they are the big names in boxing. (John Gichigi / Getty Images)

"It's still more a spectacle than a sport in many people's minds," says Tim Graham, boxing writer for the Buffalo News, who was recently elected president of the BWAA. "But I'm a fan of it. I see it as a very pure and worthwhile sport that's a worthy competitor to boxing."
Graham looks upon the fact that the UFC is both the promoter and the sanctioning body as a positive for the fans. "They basically control their product, and they can put on the very best matchups possible and give the fans what they want on a very structured basis. So from a business standpoint, it's everything boxing isn't."
Iole echoes that, making the point that not only does the UFC seem to be more responsive to public demand than most boxing promoters, it has the business model necessary to do something about it: "If there's a big matchup in a division, they get that fight made right away."
Old-line boxing people have expressed little interest in the UFC or mixed martial arts in general, and that prospect is not likely to change. International matchmaker and agent Don Majeski points out that there was more commonality between boxing and wrestling fans in the 1950s and '60s, but he doesn't see it happening with boxing and MMA.
"Years ago there used to be wrestling and boxing in the same place, where you'd see a wrestling match one night and boxing the next night, or vice versa," Majeski said. "And often the boxing promoter and the wrestling promoter were one in the same, or they had a great rivalry between the two of them, where each disdained the sport of the other, and they went after each other's fans. (With MMA) I haven't seen much crossover promotion."
Younger boxing promoters, however, may be more accepting of MMA events. Scott Wagner, 37, who promotes his regular "Ballroom Boxing" series out of Glen Burnie, Md., says that if the sport was sanctioned and regulated in his state (it is not), he wouldn't hesitate to put on shows. "I'd do it in a minute," he says. "Actually, it wouldn't even take me that long."
Wagner recognizes something in the UFC's approach that boxing doesn't have a hold on. "People who don't like it are basing their judgments on something they don't know about," he says. "What I see about the sport is that the demographic, as far as sponsors go, is a bonanza. It's male, 18-25. I went to one of those events. They sold 16,000 tickets or however many that joint held. You couldn't get in that place. How many boxing matches do you go to and see that many people?" There is little question that mixed martial arts is one of the fastest growing sports in America. "By the end of this fiscal year," says Hazzard, "we will have sanctioned more MMA shows than pro boxing shows in this state, which is a first." It likely won't be the last time we'll hear that. MMA promoters, specifically the UFC, seem to possess more marketing savvy than their boxing brethren. They may not be capturing the boxing audience now, but they're latching on to a generation of customers who will eventually make up more and more of the demographic pool. And as its dyed-in-the-wool loyalists become fewer in number, boxing may in time have problems arousing the interest of fans who have been weaned on MMA.


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Well he did win the fight because of that. To me, that is more of a victory than say Vitor Belfort beating Randy Couture because he cut his eye lid with a nick off his glove.
Yeah but come on, that was a massive fluke. He wasn't trying to trip up Shogun so that he landed akwardly and dislocated his elbow.
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Fluke maybe but it was a fighting tactic that made that accident occur. Belfort's on the other hand wasn't even a directed punch. I'm not saying Coleman's is ok and Belfort's isn't. I'm saying I can accept Coleman's win a lot more than I can't accept Belfort's.
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Fluke maybe but it was a fighting tactic that made that accident occur. Belfort's on the other hand wasn't even a directed punch. I'm not saying Coleman's is ok and Belfort's isn't. I'm saying I can accept Coleman's win a lot more than I can't accept Belfort's.
Both of them are kind of crap. I mean the ref has to give the fight to Coleman, because he was trying to take him down, and the fall was the effect of the takedown. But he himself, has to understand that it was a fluke and that on any other day it's a completely different fight.
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chris leben vs. joe doerksen

After seeing this fight i don't understand how leben completely blew it against Josh Koscheck on the show. I think there needs to be a rematch between the two, and Leben'll knock him out, and all will be well.
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Lee Murray is now a suspect in the United Kingdom's biggest ever cash robbery.

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It's in all the British national newspapers today too.

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After seeing this fight i don't understand how leben completely blew it against Josh Koscheck on the show. I think there needs to be a rematch between the two, and Leben'll knock him out, and all will be well.
I've never been more frustrated whlie watching a fight than I was watching that. Koscheck didn't do anything while on top and Leben couldn't land anything.

I agree, rematch.
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If Koscheck can learn to finish off people on the ground, he can be pretty good. But all he does is pin them and jus lays there like an idiot.
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fuck Nick Diaz is the most entertaining fighter in the ufc...saw his fight with Parisyan...just all over the place, great stuff.
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fuck Nick Diaz is the most entertaining fighter in the ufc...saw his fight with Parisyan...just all over the place, great stuff.
That's why we love him. When has he ever had a boring fight really?
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