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Old 03-22-2006, 04:27 PM   #81
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TNA can have its good moments and it can also have its bad moments.

It's good moments are rare though I noticed.

1 - I FUCKING DESPISE THE IMPACT ZONE CROWD. Like everyone stated above, they get an orgasm over simple moves that even RVD does. I don't blame Alex Shelley at all for calling them retards. They boo WWE like mad, and chant TNA TNA TNA! as if it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

2 - Impact looks like a poor man's version of Thunder.

3 - Get rid of the 6 sided ring already. I've tried to force myself to like it for a whole year now, but just can't take it anymore.

4 - Alex Shelley, Joe, Daniels, Sting, Steiner, etc. are reasons why I watch.

5 - Their storylines are cheesy and come out like shit, except for the Sting angle and even that is corny.

6 - TOO MANY FUCKING TAG MATCHES. I hate anything more than 1 tag match per hour.

7 - How about you fucking leave the Impact Zone already?

8 - This fits in with #1 but since it's so terrible, I had to put it separately....THE STUPID CROWD CHANTS! Oooooo Abyss

9 - Did I mention their retarded fans that think TNA needs little to no storylines, little to no star power, and just want to see ROH lite on TV? Ridiculous.

TNA has really gotta get its act together.
1. The only reason TNA needs to tour is so they can get rid of those fucking psychos. They are one of the worst elements of the show on so many levels.

2. It actually makes most second-rate productions look like quality.

3. I'm indifferent to the ring. I think it'll stick around because it's like their only selling point in terms of how they're different from WCW and such.

4. And half of them are being used like shit.

5. I like most of the storylines. The Sting one sucks ass.

6. I can't agree more, especially in the face of the number of 6 and 8 man tags in the ME. They have limited time to showcase all their talent, but this is kinda a waste.

7. So they don't lose MORE money? I'm sure they're starting to take a hit from their house shows, and they've had...One?

8. And the inability to like, boo people (Even before the fucking ejection rule) and the like.

9. TNA's fanbase wants to be ECW. They want to be counter-culture, and part of how they do it is by trying to rabidly abandon everything that WWE does...

Like stories, storytelling, ring psychology, basically everything except running the title into the ground by making your "top guy" bury everyone worth a fuck.
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:47 AM   #82
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What is up with this "Samoa Joe?" He looks like a malnurished Rikishi, plus he was on Distraction on comdey central once, and I didn't really care.
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:52 AM   #83
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Samoa Joe is known for having a huge arsenal of submission moves, twice John Cena's.
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Old 03-23-2006, 02:01 AM   #85
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I've never actually watched Impact! or a TNA PPV, because we don't get them over here in Australia, but from what I've heard and what I've seen, the stuff on TNA is better than the WWE.

The X-Division is exciting, and they have Christian. All they need is to have a longer show so they can have space between things. Apparently TNA uses time really well, and right now they barely have any.

I'm going to give TNA the benefit of the doubt, because they at least try and cater to a niche market. I do think they have a chance at giving the WWE a run for its money in terms of quality. When TNA starts making a profit, I think it is going to boom.
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I've never actually watched Impact! or a TNA PPV, because we don't get them over here in Australia, but from what I've heard and what I've seen, the stuff on TNA is better than the WWE.

The X-Division is exciting, and they have Christian. All they need is to have a longer show so they can have space between things. Apparently TNA uses time really well, and right now they barely have any.

I'm going to give TNA the benefit of the doubt, because they at least try and cater to a niche market. I do think they have a chance at giving the WWE a run for its money in terms of quality. When TNA starts making a profit, I think it is going to boom.
As you said, you haven't seen Impact, so I don't think you can actually give them the benefit of the doubt.If you watched Impact you would understand this thread.They do put on good PPV's as i've said already though, but that isn't how you get new fans into your product.
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Old 03-23-2006, 08:52 AM   #88
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Old 03-23-2006, 08:55 AM   #89
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I've never actually watched Impact! or a TNA PPV, because we don't get them over here in Australia, but from what I've heard and what I've seen, the stuff on TNA is better than the WWE.

The X-Division is exciting, and they have Christian. All they need is to have a longer show so they can have space between things. Apparently TNA uses time really well, and right now they barely have any.

I'm going to give TNA the benefit of the doubt, because they at least try and cater to a niche market. I do think they have a chance at giving the WWE a run for its money in terms of quality. When TNA starts making a profit, I think it is going to boom.
IT's exciting, if you don't mind most of the wrestlers being spotmonkeys.
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I still like Jarret holding on to his "spot" by keeping the fuckin title for that god damn long

and having people job to him thnx to....Gail Kim interfering?? lmfao
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I'm done with my charade. . .I am coming out of the closet. I LOVE TNA wrestling's X-division. I can't help it, the WWE had made me think that all wrestlers beside a chosen few were old, slow, and had to be 290 lbs. to entertain me. TNA made me remember fast, high flying, everything or nothing, wrestlers using every part of their body to try to knock out the other guy.
So they can't all wrestle as well as some of the guys in the WWE, they still entertain me. I can't tell who the heel is, I can't tell who the face is, I like that, it lets me judge the man on how entertaining he is.
Tenay would not be my first choice of announcer, I will admit that but TNA's management has done some godawful things I just mark that on the list.
The fans in the arena have been watching TNA for three or more years, they love it unconditionally. Most of the time I just laugh at them and their chants.
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Old 03-23-2006, 10:48 PM   #92
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I like TNA I don't think it's bad at all. But I'm not gonna have the typical TNA lover responce "WWE SUX TNA RULZ FUK VINCE! 11111" All I'm saying is they have their moments. The TNA chants get real annoying for me I don't mind if they did it on special occasions[Ultimate X matches which they seem too do 5-6 times a year maybe even more etc.etc.] When I first heard about Billy Gunn and BG James teaming up I was excited because I was hoping too see a NAO reunion. But, that's just the thing they weren't the same NAO they were worse. All I'm saying is TNA is good if the WWE cruiserweights aren't good enough for you. Because I see TNA as kinda a spot fest Federation. The main eventers are ok but the people who get the most air time are the people that do flips around the ring like acrobats. Not saying I don't like TNA just saying it's good for WWE isn't on TV.
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I like TNA I don't think it's bad at all. But I'm not gonna have the typical TNA lover responce "WWE SUX TNA RULZ FUK VINCE! 11111" All I'm saying is they have their moments. The TNA chants get real annoying for me I don't mind if they did it on special occasions[Ultimate X matches which they seem too do 5-6 times a year maybe even more etc.etc.] When I first heard about Billy Gunn and BG James teaming up I was excited because I was hoping too see a NAO reunion. But, that's just the thing they weren't the same NAO they were worse. All I'm saying is TNA is good if the WWE cruiserweights aren't good enough for you. Because I see TNA as kinda a spot fest Federation. The main eventers are ok but the people who get the most air time are the people that do flips around the ring like acrobats. Not saying I don't like TNA just saying it's good for WWE isn't on TV.
TNA's all frosting. Well, almost all.

WWE's like Hot Lunch at high school. It's usually some variation of Meat Loaf or Salisburry Steak. It's old, it's bland, it's boring, and you get the feeling that the people cooking it must really hate you for some reason.

WWE has boring, predictable matches which are hard for a fan to watch. Its storylines are played out and there's no longer anything exciting.

But then, TNA's sickening for a different reason. You can't eat a whole bowl of frosting without some problems. TNA is spots, it's flash, it's got very little substance. It's not horribly memorable beyond the fact that they abuse their spots like nobody's business. This isn't a good thing as they rely on crutches such as spots and "OH MY GAWD! SIX SIDED RING!" And they wear out their gimmick matches faster than WWE does (Compare the EC to Six Sides of Steel).
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TNA's all frosting. Well, almost all.

WWE's like Hot Lunch at high school. It's usually some variation of Meat Loaf or Salisburry Steak. It's old, it's bland, it's boring, and you get the feeling that the people cooking it must really hate you for some reason.

WWE has boring, predictable matches which are hard for a fan to watch. Its storylines are played out and there's no longer anything exciting.

But then, TNA's sickening for a different reason. You can't eat a whole bowl of frosting without some problems. TNA is spots, it's flash, it's got very little substance. It's not horribly memorable beyond the fact that they abuse their spots like nobody's business. This isn't a good thing as they rely on crutches such as spots and "OH MY GAWD! SIX SIDED RING!" And they wear out their gimmick matches faster than WWE does (Compare the EC to Six Sides of Steel).
I agree I basically said TNA was all right for what it is and that is a Spot Fest federation and not the good kind like ECW. This is why I always get mad when a retard posts a topic on TPWW about TNA being at the same level as WWE. TNA will NEVER be on the same page as WWE.
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I agree I basically said TNA was all right for what it is and that is a Spot Fest federation and not the good kind like ECW. This is why I always get mad when a retard posts a topic on TPWW about TNA being at the same level as WWE. TNA will NEVER be on the same page as WWE.
God, I hope not. That would just be trading one kind of suck for another. Honestly.

TNA's bad, but so's WWE right now. It's a pervasive issue. TNA has good points, WWE has good points. To trade off your bad points for someone else's though, would be totally bad.
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I love TNA, personally.

...But keep in mind, I don't get UPN. All I have to compare with is RAW. Smackdown! sounds pretty sexy, but as I can't watch it, I'm stucking begging Jesus to give TNA an extra hour on TV.
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Yeah, TNA totally kills any of their creative gimmick matches. The Ultimate X Match is the perfect example. It has only been around for maybe three years yet there have been around 10 or so of these matches already.
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Yeah, TNA totally kills any of their creative gimmick matches. The Ultimate X Match is the perfect example. It has only been around for maybe three years yet there have been around 10 or so of these matches already.
I know. They need to stop milking their gimmicks and bring in some substance.
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They need Paul Heyman... the King of Substance and the only man who could make a bunch of substance abusers appeal to a audience for seven or so years.
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I know. They need to stop milking their gimmicks and bring in some substance.
Uhhh...if TNA doesn't milk their bad gimmicks, they have nothing else to hype. It's not like most will pay to see Daniels, Styles, Sabin, Jarrett, etc. on their on.
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Uhhh...if TNA doesn't milk their bad gimmicks, they have nothing else to hype. It's not like most will pay to see Daniels, Styles, Sabin, Jarrett, etc. on their on.
I think if they build some of these people up, give folks a reason to give a shit, they could turn them into actual draws.

Moreso than 6 sides part 3,000,000.

Except Jarrett. He was a hasbeen before TNA was a gleam in the shorts of the wrestling kingdom.
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I suppose spotfests are abusive, but if I did have to choose between either seeing too many spotfests and seeing not enough, I'd choose seeing too many.

TNA has got some right ideas. Sabu vs. Samoa Joe at Lockdown. I do not even cream myself at the mention of Sabu or Joe, but I am going to cream myself for that.

Christian is also facing Abyss. I like Abyss. The guy is pretty decent, and his character, although it looks like a rip-off of Kane & Mankind, is really a pretty good one when you think about it. He plays the role of monster well, so Christian will look good when he beats him to retain the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

One thing I wouldn't mind TNA doing, is cutting ring entrances from their show. Hear me out. I know it sounds cheap, but everytime I go to perform on stage, I don't get theme music. Everytime I say something, I don't have music to make my point look strong. If TNA can make music in their wrestling show look unimportant, they can attack the WWE with this. The TNA guys don't waste time with music, why do the WWE guys? It's just a little thing I wouldn't mind seeing them try. This cuts off a few minutes from their show, which can then be used to give guys a little longer to tell stories in their matches.

I don't mind the six-sided ring. I don't see what the big deal is, it's the same as any other ring, it just has more sides. I would like to see wrestlers try and play up this fact a bit more. Running the ropes could become more of a strategy, and tag matches could be a lot of fun.

All TNA needs to do is focus on bettering themselves. They only have an hour to showcase talent, work out how to get the most of that hour. They only have a few credible main eventers, work out ways to get those main eventers putting over other guys.

I have never seen a full Impact! or TNA PPV, but I have watched a few matches here and there, and what I have seen has been good. I haven't seen enough to be sick of the style, nor have I seen enough to really be a die-hard fan. I wish them the best, though.

So my suggestions to TNA are this:
*Try and cut as many costs as possible. Less videos, less music, lets lightning, use your talent to put on a show.
*Do not use jobbers as much. Use your under-exposed talent.
*Allow your X-Division guys to slow things down a bit occasionally.
*Keep putting your Championship matches on last (I love this about TNA)
*Use the internet. Smarks are a strong majority of your fanbase, appeal to them by showing TNA's best matches, exclusive promos, exclusive matches, etc. on your website.
*Don't put on so much Konnan/older talent crap.
*Maybe you could start charging admission? Not much, maybe like $5.00? It won't scare too many people away, and yu can make enough money to buy a better set, get new guys in, etc.
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Old 03-24-2006, 04:08 PM   #104
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Well, I've started watching alot of TNA and the way I would describe them to a wrestling fan who isn't familiar with them is:

"Take a normal wrestling product/show and give it an enormous amount of cocaine, crystal meth and Mountain Dew. Then give the announcers the same dose and an hour to fit everything in."

I was really getting into them, but Impact has been lacking in my opinion as of late. It sucks because I really want them to succeed and push the envelope with WWE eventually. That doesn't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon.
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Old 03-24-2006, 04:14 PM   #105
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If anything, the announcers are on a higher dosage.
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Old 03-25-2006, 01:26 PM   #106
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I miss WCW from 1995-1998. =(

TNA really needs to cool it down with all the spots. I'm sick of the jump over the top rope.

The problem is, TNA can only evaluate with the Orlando crowd, which are the same people everytime going. When they go out frequently and start to tour...then they'll prob say "ok this is gay, cut this off, keep this, etc. etc."
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The biggest problem I have with TNA right now as well as the WWE is NOTHING interests me really as far as storylines. And I've said it before, I watch wrestling mostly for the stories, not the matches. I've seen hundreds of great matches before, so nothng stands out to me.

This whole JJ/AMW/Abyss/Team Canada alliance thing has been running forever and it's boring the shit out of me.

I really liked the whole 3 Live Krew/Billy Gunn saga which turned into the Outlaws/LAX saga. That and the AJ/Daniels/Joe thing I have enjoyed. But those are starting to run there course with me.
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Samoa Joe...He's a good example...I'm pretty sure he's still heel, but you get like 4 people booing him, and 80 people cheering him.

Then they show who his opponent is (Spoiler free), and like, 90 people pop. I'm so confused. The TNA fans kill the atmosphere more than TNA could ever do to themselves.

Also, UltimateX would be an awesome video game match, but it's pretty bland to watch it 9 times a month.
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Is it sad the only real thing I am looking forward to with TNA has nothing to do with TNA proper, but rather with the TNA Video Game...
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D'Amore is actually entertaining me more and more.

Also, good example of them driving their shit into the ground, a PPV match (Six Sides) on Impact? Come on, it was bad enough when WWE was doing this shit. At least they have a...Whaddyacallit...Audience (such as it is)...
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Not only is there a Six Sides of Steel Match tonight, but in like 2 weeks they will have an entire fucking PPV full of the EXACT same gimmick match.
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Not only is there a Six Sides of Steel Match tonight, but in like 2 weeks they will have an entire fucking PPV full of the EXACT same gimmick match.
Yeah, I know. It's just that this is a preview of the PPV.

And on TV.

And not the first time they've done this concept.
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Lockdown would be better if only maybe they had the titles matches in Six Sides of Steel. That way the gimmick wouldn't be overused for the rest of the year.

Bob Armstrong vs. Konnan? WHY DOES THIS NEED THE SIX SIDES OF STEEL?

I like Alex Shelley, his gimmick of using his camera to capture the faces doing stuff is fantastic. Desperately Alone Housewife starring Christian's wife? This is where they need to go with their stuff. Eventually they will hit oil.

Am I the only one who would mark out if Team Canada turned face? I mean, Petey Williams already gets cheered, and he looks like he could gather sympathy. Eric Young is hilarious, and he could make a great ally to Sting. Scott D'Amore would be the only one who would probably lose out from this, as his heel shtick is hilarious.

Have Team Canada join Christian Cage & Sting and feud with Jarrett, Steiner & AMW. Maybe they could even talk to Bret Hart about coming in, just to maybe cheer on Team Canada once or twice.
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Yeah, I know. It's just that this is a preview of the PPV.

And on TV.

And not the first time they've done this concept.
Lockdown being the PPV where ALL MATCHES ARE IN THE CAGE!!!11!!1 is apparently going to be an annual concept. Like the Royal Rumble.



TNA marks apparently think this is a good idea.















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Are you kidding me? TNA fans think Lockdown is the greatest thing to ever happen. The TNA sMARKS are wildly proclaiming last years to be the most innovative event in history. And I wish I was stretching their words. It also is like their highest sold PPV on DVD so far. For whatever it's worth, idiots are sold on the idea.
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Lockdown being the PPV where ALL MATCHES ARE IN THE CAGE!!!11!!1 is apparently going to be an annual concept. Like the Royal Rumble.



TNA marks apparently think this is a good idea.















I don't get why they hate storylines and such, but think milking this gimmick to death is smart.
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TNA sMARK: BUT ITZ NOT A STORYLINE ITZ A PPVZ!!! LOLZ!
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Brought this up on another 'non-wrestling' message board. Here's the first response I got:

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I think this is a great concept, not only that but the Sting vs. Jeff Jarrett in an enclosed cage with weapons hanging from the ceiling of the cage that they have to climb up and get is going to be awesome!
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Well it is possible for it to be awsome.

Unlikely though
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The match might be awesome. but by the time the main event rolls around, every conceivable cage spot has been done, a lot of them probably pretty poorly. The whole thing just ends up being pointless, so even if the last mathces ARE great, the interest level has waned. At least for the non-marks.
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