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Old 03-29-2006, 01:43 PM   #1
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Mike Tyson was worth double that at Mania 14. And guys like Austin, Rock, Hart, HHH and Hogan definately all had in excess of $1 million payoffs for various Mania main events.
And how many of these appearances were not announced beforehand?
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Old 03-29-2006, 01:57 PM   #2
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And how many of these appearances were not announced beforehand?
Half the people already think Bret's gonna be at Mania. They still have the Hall of Fame to build on it if they wanted to.

And for the record, they also gave Ultimate Warrior $500k for a run in at Mania 8. And they offered Bret $1 million to referee the main event in Toronto as a surprise.
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Old 03-29-2006, 01:47 PM   #3
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Mike Tyson was worth double that at Mania 14. And guys like Austin, Rock, Hart, HHH and Hogan definately all had in excess of $1 million payoffs for various Mania main events.
The difference being that they made appearence before and/or after the event. At least Tyson was at multiple RAWs before Mania, building it up WITH HIM ON TV. Big difference between that and them just mocking Bret with no announcement, mention of his name and/or him being on the shows before and/or after the one-off.
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A momentary punch and handshake alone would sell two million dollars worth of replays and DVDs to people that otherwise wouldn've have bought said replay or DVD? I'm sorry, but that sounds like just a BIT of a stretch to me. I'm not saying it's not controversial, but especially seeing you rip apart other controversial figures, I'm just not willing to overlook this.

I'm not saying you wouldn't get a spike, but two million dollars is a bit ridiculous.

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Old 03-29-2006, 11:40 AM   #5
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That's a fair point anyway. Bret Hart was never a huge draw, in his prime, when he could physically compete. What kind of difference do you people REALLY believe he would make to the WWE's financial wellbeing if Vince McMahon made him a self-indulgent offer for a one off appearance?

And the Tyson comparison doesn't hold weight, because to my memory Tyson made four seperate appearances, all strategically placed in the lead up to WM14, and which caused a wicked spike in ratings, exposed Stone Cold Steve Austin to casual fan, drummed up a lot of interest in the PPV, and turned business around for the WWF for the next three years. Hardly a waste of money.

But they wouldn't have the same effect with Bret Hart, principally because even if the casual fans DID care enough to check out the show BECAUSE of a Bret Hart angle, there wouldn't be a hot new character like an Austin for them to latch on to and become a big WWE fan all over again, because the product is average at best nowadays, whereas back in 1997/1998 the product was hot and all it needed was for the casuals/mainstreams to give it a look.
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the only things i like about bret hart is his music and him puting somebody in the sharpshooter on the opening of malcolm in the middle...
but then again i didn't grow up watching him...
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Old 03-29-2006, 05:41 PM   #9
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Re: Sunny, didn't she admit to actually having an affair with Michaels recently??? Maybe it all goes back to those two fighting over the same woman!?!?
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Re: Sunny, didn't she admit to actually having an affair with Michaels recently??? Maybe it all goes back to those two fighting over the same woman!?!?
One of the Bret Hart marks are going to respond to that by saying they never had one (Bret and Sunny).
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One of the Bret Hart marks are going to respond to that by saying they never had one (Bret and Sunny).
Well, didn't Sunny also make a fool of herself at some convention recently, getting thrown out for crying and harrassing Bret, talking about them getting back together or something, basically saying they used to have something going on.

Could well be that the HBK/Bret feud all stems from the fact that they were both shagging Sunny at the same time!! (While she was engaged to Chris Candido the whole time!!)
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Basically, if the reports are accurate, then Sunny has recently admitted to affairs with both Bret and Shawn over the 1996-1997 period.
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she said " i was the best pussy he ever had"

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she said " i was the best pussy he ever had"

Bret must of thought : did you see my new wife you fat crack-whore?
Then Lita must have said: Did I leave the stove on?

Completely ignoring the situation.
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After some thought:

If WM begins and ends without any Bret Hart action; I'll label him a stuck-up egotistical grudge holding pussy for the remainder of my interest in pro-wrestling.

All these years hearing about 'Bret's thoughts on this and that'; him speaking on his website about current shit and me reading it. Thinking he still cares about the business. Then the absolute perfect scenario comes up, one seemingly crafted for him to do something, and he bitches out. And we got Hitman supporters talking about his conditions and why he can't show up.

C'mon people.

The shit happened a LONG time ago. He got screwed, boo-hoo. Work into a storyline. It's not REAL, it's a story, and Vince made a last minute change. Under no circumstance was Bret's pride or compitition status put in danger. Wrestling is fake. Had he stayed he would've got some revenge in the form of an angle against HBK and became a bigger face than he already was.

And his shit against HBK? What a baby... Matt Hardy had the professional gull to not only return, but have an angle with a man who did him WAY worse than HBK did Bret. So Bret needs to man-up before he loses a longtime fan. I don't wanna waste my time on someone who considers me a waste of his time.

Boo-hoo, "Bret had a stroke, he can barely speak...yada-yada..." Get the fuck outta here, a titantron appearance that would be a deciding factor in the Vince/HBK match is all that's needed. He doesn't need to put his 'broken body' in any more danger than that. I find myself losing more and more respect for him with his dirty-diaper ways these days.

Bret needs to GET OVER IT (as with the Thread's topic) and give his fans a well earned ending to the longest angle in wrestling; real or not. Otherwise I can care less about anymore Hitman news.
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If WM begins and ends without any Bret Hart action; I'll label him a stuck-up egotistical grudge holding pussy for the remainder of my interest in pro-wrestling.

All these years hearing about 'Bret's thoughts on this and that'; him speaking on his website about current shit and me reading it. Thinking he still cares about the business. Then the absolute perfect scenario comes up, one seemingly crafted for him to do something, and he bitches out. And we got Hitman supporters talking about his conditions and why he can't show up.

C'mon people.

The shit happened a LONG time ago. He got screwed, boo-hoo. Work into a storyline. It's not REAL, it's a story, and Vince made a last minute change. Under no circumstance was Bret's pride or compitition status put in danger. Wrestling is fake. Had he stayed he would've got some revenge in the form of an angle against HBK and became a bigger face than he already was.

And his shit against HBK? What a baby... Matt Hardy had the professional gull to not only return, but have an angle with a man who did him WAY worse than HBK did Bret. So Bret needs to man-up before he loses a longtime fan. I don't wanna waste my time on someone who considers me a waste of his time.

Boo-hoo, "Bret had a stroke, he can barely speak...yada-yada..." Get the fuck outta here, a titantron appearance that would be a deciding factor in the Vince/HBK match is all that's needed. He doesn't need to put his 'broken body' in any more danger than that. I find myself losing more and more respect for him with his dirty-diaper ways these days.

Bret needs to GET OVER IT (as with the Thread's topic) and give his fans a well earned ending to the longest angle in wrestling; real or not. Otherwise I can care less about anymore Hitman news.
Erm, for Matt, I don't think it was professional gull. I think it was about one thing, that being money.

As far as Bret becoming a "bigger face than he already was", someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure in the US (and consequently, on most WWF TV), Bret was still a heel at the time of the screw job.
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As far as Bret becoming a "bigger face than he already was", someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure in the US (and consequently, on most WWF TV), Bret was still a heel at the time of the screw job.
No, no... You're right but here's the thing:

Bret was playing the heel, but honestly; it's Bret freaking Hart. Being a heel doesn't always make you a heel and vice versa. Everytime HBK works in Canada, even now, he's booed like a heel. And he's been playing the face since his return in 2002. So let's not get too technical about this particular situation.

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And as for Matt, sure enough money was a deciding factor; but working an angle with Edge? He didn't have to do that. It was a fan driven angle that broke the fourth wall. The resolution to the Bret/HBK/Vince can be similar.
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No, no... You're right but here's the thing:

Bret was playing the heel, but honestly; it's Bret freaking Hart. Being a heel doesn't always make you a heel and vice versa. Everytime HBK works in Canada, even now, he's booed like a heel. And he's been playing the face since his return in 2002. So let's not get too technical about this particular situation.

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And as for Matt, sure enough money was a deciding factor; but working an angle with Edge? He didn't have to do that. It was a fan driven angle that broke the fourth wall. The resolution to the Bret/HBK/Vince can be similar.
Yeah, Matt REALLY would've gotten his job back had he refused to work with Edge.
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Yeah, Matt REALLY would've gotten his job back had he refused to work with Edge.
That's over simplified. I doubt it went that way. But you have your thoughts of how the business works and I have mine.

But Bret's still being a bitch about it.
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Old 03-31-2006, 08:24 AM   #29
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After some thought:

Boo-hoo, "Bret had a stroke, he can barely speak...yada-yada..." Get the fuck outta here, a titantron appearance that would be a deciding factor in the Vince/HBK match is all that's needed. He doesn't need to put his 'broken body' in any more danger than that. I find myself losing more and more respect for him with his dirty-diaper ways these days.

Bret needs to GET OVER IT (as with the Thread's topic) and give his fans a well earned ending to the longest angle in wrestling; real or not. Otherwise I can care less about anymore Hitman news.
You're an idiot! Do you know anyone that has had a stroke? No i didn't think so. so shut the fuck up you fucking clueless moron.
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Old 03-31-2006, 10:59 AM   #30
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You're an idiot! Do you know anyone that has had a stroke? No i didn't think so. so shut the fuck up you fucking clueless moron.
I was gonna look up a bunch of shit on strokes to back up what I already knew and see if I missed something. But I don't have to, because the same energy used to make an appearance at the HoF ceremony could be used to greet and/or be apart of the Vince/HBK program. Get off Bret's dick and see that he's insulting you with his grudge and lack of action. I'm telling you this with all the respect I have for you and everyone else who feels like you do.

I say Bret's actions are gay-shit and it's supported by his lack of actions. You're condoning his disrespect for fans(you).

Assuming that I don't anyone who's had a stroke... good job. I won't get into details but long story short, you're an idiot. I will begin a Bret Sucks Thread if WM goes on without him getting involved. I like Bret Hart but I like Pro Wrestling better than Hart, HBK, and the WWE combined. And some people need to see the big picture.
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Old 03-31-2006, 11:05 AM   #31
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I was gonna look up a bunch of shit on strokes to back up what I already knew and see if I missed something. But I don't have to, because the same energy used to make an appearance at the HoF ceremony could be used to greet and/or be apart of the Vince/HBK program. Get off Bret's dick and see that he's insulting you with his grudge and lack of action. I'm telling you this with all the respect I have for you and everyone else who feels like you do.

I say Bret's actions are gay-shit and it's supported by his lack of actions. You're condoning his disrespect for fans(you).

Assuming that I don't anyone who's had a stroke... good job. I won't get into details but long story short, you're an idiot. I will begin a Bret Sucks Thread if WM goes on without him getting involved. I like Bret Hart but I like Pro Wrestling better than Hart, HBK, and the WWE combined. And some people need to see the big picture.
I'm really not seeing the disrespect. Bret still makes plenty of wrestling related appearances in plenty of places, and from what I've seen (never met him myself) is pretty damn nice to the fans.
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Old 03-31-2006, 11:09 AM   #32
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I'm really not seeing the disrespect. Bret still makes plenty of wrestling related appearances in plenty of places, and from what I've seen (never met him myself) is pretty damn nice to the fans.
Hey, man; go for it. Feel good about it. I ain't mad at ya. I just want you to know it's not exactly him not showing up at 'Mania, that's his choice and he's a grown-ass man; but it's the pissy reasons behind it, which does not seem like a grown man to me.

But whatever, right. It's WM time let's band together as fans of wrestling and squash this shit. I'm feeling good this morning I don't need debate on my head as I go out and do shit.

Have a good day, all.
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Old 03-31-2006, 11:19 AM   #33
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You're an idiot! Do you know anyone that has had a stroke? No i didn't think so. so shut the fuck up you fucking clueless moron.
I knew someone who had a stroke. He could still get up and walk around. He could actually -- get this -- stand up and wave, if need be.

And he didn't have the physical conditioning that Bret Hart had.

All I'm suggesting is that he show up, wave to his fans (who still exist) and just step back. It's not that hard to do.

Christ, if someone suggests he do something active, everybody bitches about how he has had a stroke, a million concussions, and can't do anything physical. And then if someone suggests all he has to do is just stand up and wave, then everybody bitches about how that's not good enough.

All I've suggested is that Bret Hart is being a tad bit whiney for not showing up at WM22 like all the other HOFers.

Put yourself in this position. You have a condition that limits your ability to do anything active. You have a grudge with like one person backstage (HBK) and were screwed over in the past but claim to be over it. Then Vince McMahon asks you to join the other hall-of-famers, who usually step forward when announced, wave to their adoring fans, and then step back. You are asked to do no less. And you refuse. What are people supposed to think?

And deceased inductees have somebody representing them (JYD's daughter, Big John Studd's son, et. al.), so the Eddie argument makes no sense. (And I don't get jokes. Humor escapes me.)

And I know what you're going to say. "ISN'T IT ENOUGH THAT HE'S IN THE HALL OF FAME CEREMONY AND GAVE US 20 YEARS OF HIS LIFE TO US???!?!?!?!!" And to that, I say, YES, it's enough for me. I'm not arguing that it's not enough. All that I'm saying is that it's a little weird and whiney of him to not show up at a simple announcemeny ceremony at WM22.

I'm not arguing anything more than that. Please don't blow my words out of proportion and make me out to be some ungrateful Hart-hater.
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Old 04-01-2006, 06:11 PM   #34
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You're an idiot! Do you know anyone that has had a stroke? No i didn't think so. so shut the fuck up you fucking clueless moron.

I know several people in my family who have had strokes... they could make a trinatron appearance..

but i'm not gonna argue that..

also mcdoogle.. KANE KNIGHT OWNS YOUR ASS YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE MOTHERFUCKER!

i have to defend the KK...
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i think bret hart doesn't care or wish to be involved in wrestling- he feels did did his part- wcw did enough damage to his legac--why put another mark againt it by showing up and interfering in the match- as for coming to wave goodbye...I just don't think bret wats to put himself in the same building as HBK..
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Old 03-31-2006, 03:23 AM   #36
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...I just don't think bret wats to put himself in the same building as HBK..
Which is the gay-shit I'm pointing out.
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Old 03-31-2006, 03:44 AM   #37
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i like the hyphen between "gay" and "shit"
It's to differentiate between that and the "gay shit" he does with his "uncle."
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whats gay about not wanting to be around a dick head like shawn michaels..i mean look at your friends..they dont want to be around you..do u call them gay?
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Let me just ask this: What if Shawn IS there? And Bret DOES walk out? How is his "legacy" going to look then? He leaves over a petty little thing like that and disappoints all of HIS fans? (Because, let's face it, bar Eddie, everyone is tuning in to see Bret being inducted.)

You know, people have to work with people they hate all the time (not just wrestling). If Bret can't be professional enough to show up and say goodbye to HIS fans, under those circumstances (Shawn being there), Bret is just showing that he doesn't give two shits about his fans and is a selfish piece of shit.

If he really wanted his good bye, he'd do it whether Shawn is there or not.
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