Mr. Kennedy

[Kane Knight]

Kennedy is a communist.

[Kane Knight]

To be fair, there probably were terrorists. There are probably terrorists in every country in the world, really. And Bush did argue a link between al Qaeda and Saddam. More importantly, he said we didn't have any proof Saddam wasn't behing 9-11 or something like that. It's shitty, halfass logic, but terrorism was one of the given reasons for invading Iraq.

Of course, that's among other reasons: Human rights (He gassed his own people 20 years ago!), Democracy (We'll give it to them whether we want it or not), Personal (He tried to kill mah pappy!), imminent threat (45 minute strikes on the US, something the Koreans had just proven they COULD ACTUALLY DO), etc.

Korniakania or whatever his name is, his reason probably wasn't oil. His reason was probably convenient racism or the more likely one, he believed the lies that were told to bring us there.

(Of course, I seriously doubt this guy's legit. He sounds like a mentally handicapped Heyman--Trying to stir up controversy, only more retarded).

[Kane Knight]

The only WMDs found were so degraded they were of no threat. The most dangerous thing in Iraq were the DU rounds we left in there when we went in last time. Even Bush admitted he was wrong on the WMDs, son. And Saddam was not a terrorist, he was a dictator.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight The only WMDs found were so degraded they were of no threat. The most dangerous thing in Iraq were the DU rounds we left in there when we went in last time. Even Bush admitted he was wrong on the WMDs, son. And Saddam was not a terrorist, he was a dictator.

Not a terrorist, Ask the families of the men destroyed and flung in a big hole if he was a terrorist, ask the women he had gang raped if he was a terroist, son. Moreover, degraded agents could have been used by terrorist when constructing the fabled "Dirty Bomb"

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by korinkahn Not a terrorist, Ask the families of the men destroyed and flung in a big hole if he was a terrorist, ask the women he had gang raped if he was a terroist, son. Moreover, degraded agents could have been used by terrorist when constructing the fabled "Dirty Bomb"

Wait I'm confused are you saying Ken Kennedy is a terrorist?

Cause I never heard of anyone Kennedy gang raped...






...raped

[Afterlife]

Originally Posted by korinkahn Not a terrorist, Ask the families of the men destroyed and flung in a big hole if he was a terrorist, ask the women he had gang raped if he was a terroist, son. Moreover, degraded agents could have been used by terrorist when constructing the fabled "Dirty Bomb"

Let's see...W's tried to argue against evolution. He wants prayer in school. He's tried to ammend the constitution to ban gay marriage. And he sends our men to a foreign country to die in a 4 year conflict that he has yet to actually explain to his own nation.

The only reasoning he he can give to 'his people' is that he runs a 'faith-based administration'. He claims to talk to God. He thinks he is doing God's work, and his country is about ready to revolt.

It's tru, W hasn't gassed his own people. But we do have bombs. And he does send our people to die--just not in our homeland. So you tell me why I should have any more faith in our 'Leader' than I do in Irag's former totalitarian, and we'll go from there.



Oh, and Kennedy rocks.

Originally Posted by Afterlife Let's see...W's tried to argue against evolution. He wants prayer in school. He's tried to ammend the constitution to ban gay marriage. And he sends our men to a foreign country to die in a 4 year conflict that he has yet to actually explain to his own nation. The only reasoning he he can give to 'his people' is that he runs a 'faith-based administration'. He claims to talk to God. He thinks he is doing God's work, and his country is about ready to revolt. It's tru, W hasn't gassed his own people. But we do have bombs. And he does send our people to die--just not in our homeland. So you tell me why I should have any more faith in our 'Leader' than I do in Irag's former totalitarian, and we'll go from there.

You seem to simply disagree with Bush's views and the life of faith he lives-that seems to me to be a personal problem. "send our people to die" anti-conserv rhetoric. Bush is looking out for his base-bring issues to the talbe that matter to his admin and supports. I assume you voted against him-if so you lost most Americans don't want gay marriage, most want pray in school. I reason that you argue b/c you are powerless, suck it up and get you punk ass bitch friends in this forum to stop jacking of to internet porn for a hour and vote.

[Afterlife]

Originally Posted by korinkahn You seem to simply disagree with Bush's views and the life of faith he lives-that seems to me to be a personal problem. "send our people to die" anti-conserv rhetoric. Bush is looking out for his base-bring issues to the talbe that matter to his admin and supports. I assume you voted against him-if so you lost most Americans don't want gay marriage, most want pray in school. I reason that you argue b/c you are powerless, suck it up and get you punk ass bitch friends in this forum to stop jacking of to internet porn for a hour and vote.

I do disagree with Bush's personal views and, had I not missed the registration date, you can bet your ass I"d have voted against him. After all, forcing spiritual beliefs on people is wrong, hence, forcing children to pray is wrong. Also, wether ppl "want" gay marriage or not doesn't fucking matter; this is America, Land of the Free, not Land of the Straight. A tru American fights for the freedom of all people. This is another case of W mixing church and state which is the exact opposite of the basis of this country. And yes, I am powerless, but that's b/c the last 2 elections weren't exactly fair.

Oh, and if "sending people to die" is liberal rhetoric, then your talk of WMDs is right-wing bogus malarky.




And Kennedy still rocks.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by korinkahn Not a terrorist, Ask the families of the men destroyed and flung in a big hole if he was a terrorist, ask the women he had gang raped if he was a terroist, son. Moreover, degraded agents could have been used by terrorist when constructing the fabled "Dirty Bomb"

He's not a terrorist. Emotional, tearjerking stories of horrendous acts do not change the definition.

[Kane Knight]

Oh, by the way, those weapons were not usable in any way or form, according to the Department of defense. Are you unpatriotic enough to call them liars?

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Oh, by the way, those weapons were not usable in any way or form, according to the Department of defense. Are you unpatriotic enough to call them liars?

He's not a terrorist. Emotional, tearjerking stories of horrendous acts do not change the definition.

Defintion..you are the defintion of a coward

Me calling a gov agency lairs does not make me unpatriotic, free speech like flag burning is what makes America grand- If i were unpatriotic for saying the Dep of Def are liars then everyone who says is a Bush liar is unpatriotic too.

[Kane Knight]

So you're saying you know more than the DoD?

Than Bush?

[Kane Knight]

Also, calling me a coward does not change the fact that you're wrong. Saddam is a bad, bad man, but he was not a terrorist.

Too bad we didn't go after a legit threat, like North Korea, or an actual country harboring terrorists, like Pakistan.

[El Fangel]

Actually Both Kennedys Rock

John FitzGerald Kennedy






...Kennedy



BTW I am glad I don't have to put up with Bush, still got that stupid-ass conservative Harper who shakes his kids hands before school and Hugs his cabinet members.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by TNA ROCKS BTW I am glad I don't have to put up with Bush, still got that stupid-ass conservative Harper who shakes his kids hands before school and Hugs his cabinet members.

Bush is the world's problem.

Fortunately, Kennedy could whoop his ass.

[Skippord]

Korinkanh where are you from?

[Xerzes]

John F. Kennedy did rock.

The ladies.

With his penis.

[Kane Knight]

Do you even read what you write?

[TerranRich]

Originally Posted by korinkahn I contend that gay marriage does matter-the family unit is paramount and without both a father and a mother children are at a disadvantage.

Pfft. Give evidence to support your claim, son. 'Cos I'm willing to bet that it doesn't matter what gender they are. The only disadvantage is the teasing they might receive at school. But whose fault is that? Answer: The parents of the children who tease, who teach that homosexuality is something gross and wrong.

Everybody keeps talking about the "sanctity" of marriage being upheld by keeping it strictly man-woman. I think that's just a mask to hide behind, used by people who think gays are "icky" and can't face the fact that it's not a choice. Did you choose to be straight? No. No more than you chose to be retarded. You just are.

Originally Posted by TerranRich Pfft. Give evidence to support your claim, son. 'Cos I'm willing to bet that it doesn't matter what gender they are. The only disadvantage is the teasing they might receive at school. But whose fault is that? Answer: The parents of the children who tease, who teach that homosexuality is something gross and wrong. Everybody keeps talking about the "sanctity" of marriage being upheld by keeping it strictly man-woman. I think that's just a mask to hide behind, used by people who think gays are "icky" and can't face the fact that it's not a choice. Did you choose to be straight? No. No more than you chose to be retarded. You just are.

Nature vs Nurture you choose Nature I choose Nurture,

Where does homosexuality come from? Many people may feel that perhaps God made them gay, i.e. that they were born gay. They may honestly not remember any conscious decision to be gay.

Our inheritance of a sin nature is relevant to the discussion of the roots of homosexuality. We are born with a tendency to rebel against God, with hearts that are prone to lust, pride, sexual immorality, idolatry and other evils (Matthew 15:19). So, for example, it is possible to be born with a tendency toward homosexual desires, just as it is possible to be born with a tendency toward pride, or love of money or any other type of sin. Though each of us has weaknesses toward particular sins, God still expects us to resist temptations in those areas and rely on his power for strength to keep sin from ruling us (Genesis 4:7, Romans 6:11-14).

Being the opportunist that he is, Satan tempts each of us according to our particular weaknesses. He is a master at orchestrating events in our lives to tempt us into false conclusions about God and our identity.

An area that seems to be common in the development of homosexual tendencies is dysfunctional relationships. It often starts early in life with unhealthy relationships with parents, siblings and peers, which cause emotional wounds. Here are some example factors in childhood relationships that can be influential in sexual development:
Abuse (sexual, emotional, physical, spiritual)
Parental problems: Absent, detached, uninterested, overbearing or controlling; lack of gender affirmation
Betrayal
Ridicule or teasing from peers
Sex play with same-sex peers
Rejection
Abandonment
Lack of nurture
Loneliness

Another area to consider is generational sin. The Bible mentions the concept of generational curses in several places. The idea is that the consequences of one generation’s sin can be visited on future generations (usually up to the third and fourth generation). Just as we inherit a sin nature from Adam, we also may inherit sin tendencies from our more recent ancestors. It is not uncommon for patterns of sexual dysfunction like homosexuality to run down the family tree. For more information, see our generational sin page.

Other factors that can contribute to homosexual development include societal pressures, pornography, masturbation, demonic influences and an amoral belief system (see Dr. David K. Foster’s Sexual Healing, chapter 6, for a detailed explanation of these factors).

Homosexual tendencies can be fed from these kinds of roots, yet it is still up to the individual to decide whether to yield to the temptations. It usually doesn’t happen over night, but rather over years. As people progress through the teen years, they inevitably will be presented with the powerful feelings associated with their sexual development. This period typically offers prime opportunities for the enemy to persuade a person that he or she “is gay” and that this is a permanent condition. Again, troubles in relationships can be instrumental in a person coming to the wrong conclusions. Some examples include:

Difficulty connecting emotionally with members of the opposite sex
Unpleasant sexual experiences with members of the opposite sex
Trauma connected with sexuality (rape, abortion, incest, etc.)
Feeling sexual attraction to same-sex persons (including arousal by gay or bisexual porn)
Feeling “different” from others
Enjoying homosexual experiences, fantasies or dreams
Involvement with the occult (gives way to spiritual, emotional & sexual confusion)
Words spoken over the person by parents, peers, counselors or teachers
Affirmation, acceptance and recruitment by other homosexuals
When a person decides to embrace the lie of a gay identity, the deception is completed. From then on, it can seem like an unbreakable stronghold, especially if it conveniently explains the pattern of experiences and feelings the person may have had in life to that point. Even so, a person making the conclusion that they are gay will discover an endless desire for peace and approval, but will not find it (Isaiah 48:22). They will need to surround themselves with others who continually reaffirm their homosexuality in order to numb their conscience about the lies they have embraced. They may even seek God’s approval of their choices by embracing “gay theology”.

[Skippord]

Originally Posted by korinkahn Nature vs Nurture you choose Nature I choose Nurture, Where does homosexuality come from? Many people may feel that perhaps God made them gay, i.e. that they were born gay. They may honestly not remember any conscious decision to be gay. Our inheritance of a sin nature is relevant to the discussion of the roots of homosexuality. We are born with a tendency to rebel against God, with hearts that are prone to lust, pride, sexual immorality, idolatry and other evils (Matthew 15:19). So, for example, it is possible to be born with a tendency toward homosexual desires, just as it is possible to be born with a tendency toward pride, or love of money or any other type of sin. Though each of us has weaknesses toward particular sins, God still expects us to resist temptations in those areas and rely on his power for strength to keep sin from ruling us (Genesis 4:7, Romans 6:11-14). Being the opportunist that he is, Satan tempts each of us according to our particular weaknesses. He is a master at orchestrating events in our lives to tempt us into false conclusions about God and our identity. An area that seems to be common in the development of homosexual tendencies is dysfunctional relationships. It often starts early in life with unhealthy relationships with parents, siblings and peers, which cause emotional wounds. Here are some example factors in childhood relationships that can be influential in sexual development: Abuse (sexual, emotional, physical, spiritual) Parental problems: Absent, detached, uninterested, overbearing or controlling; lack of gender affirmation Betrayal Ridicule or teasing from peers Sex play with same-sex peers Rejection Abandonment Lack of nurture Loneliness Another area to consider is generational sin. The Bible mentions the concept of generational curses in several places. The idea is that the consequences of one generation’s sin can be visited on future generations (usually up to the third and fourth generation). Just as we inherit a sin nature from Adam, we also may inherit sin tendencies from our more recent ancestors. It is not uncommon for patterns of sexual dysfunction like homosexuality to run down the family tree. For more information, see our generational sin page. Other factors that can contribute to homosexual development include societal pressures, pornography, masturbation, demonic influences and an amoral belief system (see Dr. David K. Foster’s Sexual Healing, chapter 6, for a detailed explanation of these factors). Homosexual tendencies can be fed from these kinds of roots, yet it is still up to the individual to decide whether to yield to the temptations. It usually doesn’t happen over night, but rather over years. As people progress through the teen years, they inevitably will be presented with the powerful feelings associated with their sexual development. This period typically offers prime opportunities for the enemy to persuade a person that he or she “is gay” and that this is a permanent condition. Again, troubles in relationships can be instrumental in a person coming to the wrong conclusions. Some examples include: Difficulty connecting emotionally with members of the opposite sex Unpleasant sexual experiences with members of the opposite sex Trauma connected with sexuality (rape, abortion, incest, etc.) Feeling sexual attraction to same-sex persons (including arousal by gay or bisexual porn) Feeling “different” from others Enjoying homosexual experiences, fantasies or dreams Involvement with the occult (gives way to spiritual, emotional & sexual confusion) Words spoken over the person by parents, peers, counselors or teachers Affirmation, acceptance and recruitment by other homosexuals When a person decides to embrace the lie of a gay identity, the deception is completed. From then on, it can seem like an unbreakable stronghold, especially if it conveniently explains the pattern of experiences and feelings the person may have had in life to that point. Even so, a person making the conclusion that they are gay will discover an endless desire for peace and approval, but will not find it (Isaiah 48:22). They will need to surround themselves with others who continually reaffirm their homosexuality in order to numb their conscience about the lies they have embraced. They may even seek God’s approval of their choices by embracing “gay theology”.

HOLY SHIT YOU ARE A PSYCHOPATH

[Kane Knight]

Dude. The guy just said separation of Church and State was Un-American, despite the writings of our own founding fathers, the guys who CREATED America. Do you really feel the need to actually refute someone who's clearly either a total liar or that delusional?

[TerranRich]

No. I just needed somebody to argue with.

[Kane Knight]

Fair enough.

This guy'll be fun to bat around for a while anyways.

[Afterlife]

Someone should tie this guy to a chair and force him to watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit. He could do with a reality check.

No Miz reference intended.

'Cause this is a Kennedy thread.





And Kennedy rocks more than Miz.

[Kane Knight]

Even Penn and Teller's bullshit is often questionable though. It's kind of like refuting Ann Coulter with Michael Moore or vice versa. They may not be accurate, but to refer to the other guy just makes you the pot calling the kettle black.

Their show on Global Warming, for example, seems great until you actually look at the facts, and that they distort some facts for their point. Such as the notion people used to believe in global cooling (Which was not a wideley believed statement, or even remotely so).

Basically, just do your homework, folks.

[TerranRich]

Okay, I stopped listening the second you quoted the Bible.

My girlfriend's brother is quite gay. I spoke to him. I doubt you can claim that you have actually spoken to a homosexual in person and find out for youself what goes through their head. Don't read studies. Talk to them.

I asked him, straight-out, if he chose to be gay, if it was a conscious decision. He looked at me like I was an idiot and told me that he never chose to be gay. He basically asked me, What kind of person would CHOOSE to take the risk of alienating his family, would CHOOSE to disappoint so many people in his life, and would CHOOSE such a thing as grand-scale as sexual orientation.

After a lengthy talk, I came away knowing so much more. Nothing traumatic happened in his life. He was never abused. Nothing happened to "make" him gay. He just discovered, over time, that he liked men sexually and romantically.

As for your argument that gay porn "makes" people gay, as well as masturbation and "demonic influences" and an "amoral" belief system (all of which SCREAM of religious thought): you're quite wrong. Here's why:

* I've seen a gay porn video once or twice in my day, mostly out of curiousity, sometimes by accident. It didn't make me gay. I'm quite straight.

* As a side note, I used to "experiment" sexually when I was like 10 or 12 with a male friend. Neither of us are gay as a result.

* I masturbate. Frequently. Sometimes too much. I'm not gay.

* I have no fucking clue what "demonic influences" are, but I watch porn frequently, have several fetishes (lactation, female ejaculation, some water sports now and then), and I listen to heavy metal and alternative rock. Nope, still not gay.

* I am an atheist. I do not believe in God. I've had thoughts about killing people, but have never done so. I used to abuse animals when I was younger. Nope, still straight.

* Societal pressures? If you mean guys are pressured to be gay, that's way off. If you mean guys are pressured to be straight, then that would mean that ALL guys are gay, because ALL guys are pressured to be straight.

My conclusion? You're a nut job. There are TWO people that nullify your claims both ways. I've been subjected to all the crap you listed and am quite straight. My g/f's brother is gay but was never abused, molested, picked on, or even bothered in the slightest.

The Bible this, the Bible that. Find another way to argue your point.

[The Show Off]

As a guy that wrote a 25 page thesis on homosexual litrature, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt the homosexuality is something that is encoded in your DNA, no one ever chooses to be gay. The fact that you would even suggest such an obviously false statment is an insult to people Matthew Shepherd who died because of ignorant pricks like you that want to usggest something is wrong with someone because of there sexual orientation.

You and anyone who does believe that homosexuals shouldn't have the right to marry are as ignorant as people who believe that marrying somone outside your race or social structure is "of the devil." How about you quit twisting around the words of the bible to fit your own needs and actually meet someone who is gay. I'm sure you never have meet a homosexual, because you're lack of compassion for there plight is something that will prove to be the downfall of conservitives.

I'm a spiritual person, and I know how now-a-days it's increasing the number of people that are athiests out and the lack of faith in the world is because of assclowns like who who make believing in God seem as absurd as believeing in Voodoo.

I pray that you see the error of your "opinions" because I'm almost certian you did not develop them on your own, you just heard what jackasses like O'Reily, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and various church groups have said and just agreed like the stupid lemming you are.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by The Show Off As a guy that wrote a 25 page thesis on homosexual litrature, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt the homosexuality is something that is encoded in your DNA, no one ever chooses to be gay. The fact that you would even suggest such an obviously false statment is an insult to people Matthew Shepherd who died because of ignorant pricks like you that want to usggest something is wrong with someone because of there sexual orientation. You and anyone who does believe that homosexuals shouldn't have the right to marry are as ignorant as people who believe that marrying somone outside your race or social structure is "of the devil." How about you quit twisting around the words of the bible to fit your own needs and actually meet someone who is gay. I'm sure you never have meet a homosexual, because you're lack of compassion for there plight is something that will prove to be the downfall of conservitives. I'm a spiritual person, and I know how now-a-days it's increasing the number of people that are athiests out and the lack of faith in the world is because of assclowns like who who make believing in God seem as absurd as believeing in Voodoo. I pray that you see the error of your "opinions" because I'm almost certian you did not develop them on your own, you just heard what jackasses like O'Reily, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and various church groups have said and just agreed like the stupid lemming you are.

Considering he's citing the whole "War on Christmas" Bullshit (The ACLU is trying to ban Christmas! WAAAAAH), I'd say you're bang-on here.

Basically, he chooses to ignore Science and study and selectively quote Biblical passages in hopes of twisting them into something tangible. In other words, ignoring real, tangible evidence to twist the word of God.

But it also isn't his fault. Christianity more and more now, praises the stupid and breeds ignorance as a result.

Originally Posted by The Show Off As a guy that wrote a 25 page thesis on homosexual litrature, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt the homosexuality is something that is encoded in your DNA, no one ever chooses to be gay. The fact that you would even suggest such an obviously false statment is an insult to people Matthew Shepherd who died because of ignorant pricks like you that want to usggest something is wrong with someone because of there sexual orientation. You and anyone who does believe that homosexuals shouldn't have the right to marry are as ignorant as people who believe that marrying somone outside your race or social structure is "of the devil." How about you quit twisting around the words of the bible to fit your own needs and actually meet someone who is gay. I'm sure you never have meet a homosexual, because you're lack of compassion for there plight is something that will prove to be the downfall of conservitives. I'm a spiritual person, and I know how now-a-days it's increasing the number of people that are athiests out and the lack of faith in the world is because of assclowns like who who make believing in God seem as absurd as believeing in Voodoo. I pray that you see the error of your "opinions" because I'm almost certian you did not develop them on your own, you just heard what jackasses like O'Reily, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and various church groups have said and just agreed like the stupid lemming you are.

the article I post was from here

http://www.porn-free.org/
again I was just presenting a counter-argument however I would be interested in reading the information-if any- regarding sexuality begining DNA encoded. As pour talking to gay men I went to fashion design school in Miami Florida and work as a men's bespoke suitmaker apprentice. I have talked to gay men, mostly they say they just like men over women, but they are always looking for some form of vindication-my observation. I actually think think gay couples deserve to be able to take care of their mates. Gay people aren't inhuman, heatlh care should be universal no one should have to marry to obtain insurance and frankly I have seen gay porn and think it is rather beautiful-but thats just me. I simply don't think O'Reily, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and various church groups are not without their points. they should be considered thoughfully as should your views. Pink is my favorite colour too.

lactation, wow.

Fire Baby, HOT FIRE!

[Kane Knight]

Why the fuck would people "choose" to be gay, anyway? It seems a bit retarded to choose to be hated, to have to sneak around, and of course, it seems retarded to claim you get to choose who you fall in love with. Because really, how many of us choose who we fall in love with? Well, Korinkahn's parents, but only because the strip turned pink and pappy had a shotgun.

[Lux]

Ok after Terranrich and The Show Off's posts if i were what ever his name is i sure as hell wouldn't bother posting anything more

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by 4.0 Ok after Terranrich and The Show Off's posts if i were what ever his name is i sure as hell wouldn't bother posting anything more

You've just assured that he will post again.

Besides which I don't think the guy is retardad or anything, he just misguided and stubborn.

[TerranRich]

Thank you KK for mirroring my thoughts that no person in their right mind would choose to risk alienation of their family, and everything that comes along with it. When a person comes out of the closet, he's not making a decision to bang dudes, he's making a decision to tell everyone of his sexual orientation, "breaking the news", so to speak.

It's called reasoning and logic, what I just did up there. I've noticed a trend: most (not all) religious fanatics lack reasoning and lack and have an overabudance of "lemmingness" (the tendency to following whatever is most comfortable for them to believe) and stubbornness.

it is just another side of an argument believe what you want- all i said was kennedy was stupid i stand by that

oh yes, this thread is on fire baby!

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by TerranRich Thank you KK for mirroring my thoughts that no person in their right mind would choose to risk alienation of their family, and everything that comes along with it. When a person comes out of the closet, he's not making a decision to bang dudes, he's making a decision to tell everyone of his sexual orientation, "breaking the news", so to speak. It's called reasoning and logic, what I just did up there. I've noticed a trend: most (not all) religious fanatics lack reasoning and lack and have an overabudance of "lemmingness" (the tendency to following whatever is most comfortable for them to believe) and stubbornness.

It's Occam's razor, really. The answer with the least extraneous steps is probably the best. Calling gay a choice or a lifestyle brings up too many things that need explanations, too many extra steps to justify. Suddenly you have an overarcing conspiracy, because it's the only way you can make sense of gay marriage and the interest in "choosing" a path neither condoned nor accepted in society. It makes considerably less sense when one considers the implications of such a "lifestyle" choice.

Further, to indicate such a thing is to ignore the evidence from the animal kingdom, and even to ignore scientific indications. Back in the 90s, they actually manipulated the genes of fruit flies to make the males mate with males. Fruit Flies, of course, being easier to manipulate than humans. And more ethical.

[Lux]

Funny, the thread might be on fire but you aren't

[Lux]

Take your time in replying, oh and the bible won't help you in every instence

[Xero]

So wait, was everything you have said a personal opinion of your's or were you just debating for the sake of debating, just passing it off as your own?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126 So wait, was everything you have said a personal opinion of your's or were you just debating for the sake of debating, just passing it off as your own?

Yeah, I love how suddnely he wasn't being retarded, he was just plagiarising something he didn't agree with!