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Old 07-30-2006, 02:25 AM   #81
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Skippy, I took your advice and kicked that bitch in the throat. I superkicked her throat. It was pretty fuckin funny.
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Old 07-30-2006, 02:49 AM   #82
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Old 07-30-2006, 03:30 AM   #83
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I look at pro wrestling right now and I swear on my daughter that I could book both WWE and TNA so much better in a heartbeat and that's without bringing in one single piece of new talent or totally changing anybody's gimmick/character.
Wow, you're cocky. If you have that much brass that you can do a better job than, I don't know... people who are in the fucking industry, and swear on your own kid, why are you letting your creative talents go to waste on the internet?
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:28 AM   #84
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Just backing up what ABT and others said before. I dont know why you would be ashamed of liking wrestling. Yeah it might be a bit embrassing but if you have friends that wouldnt like you because what you watch then you need to be around new people.

One time me and a beautiful attractive girl from work about what we are going to call our kids when we have them. I told her I was going to call him Christain after my favorite wrestler. She laughed and gave me a werid look but you know what i had sex with her like a month later. She didnt give a crap i liked wrestling but some people dont tell people they like wrestling because they are scared but I just dont understand it.

Hell me and my mate did Chris Jericho entrances when we entered the classroom when we where at School. Did we get beat up? No. Did we get paid out? A little but it was all in good fun. Did it affect out popularity? No not at all.

So people that are ashamed to say that they like wrestling should really get some confindence in themselfs and get back to reality.
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:42 AM   #85
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Wow, you're cocky. If you have that much brass that you can do a better job than, I don't know... people who are in the fucking industry, and swear on your own kid, why are you letting your creative talents go to waste on the internet?
If you think someone know writes one episode of Weird Science or Family Guy knows and reads comics religiously knows more about pro wrestling than me then that's your opinion.

Here's an idea - maybe I don't want to be a wrestling booker or writer. Maybe I'm happy working 8-5 every day with a steady pay cheque. Maybe I prefer living in London and being with my family.

Every single person I heard speak about the WCW invasion would have booked it better than they actually did. Every single idea I heard about booking Orton vs. Hogan is better than what they are actualy doing. Maybe these WWE writers aren't the creative minds you think they are.

Maybe you think to start thinking before you talk.
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:44 AM   #86
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Oh and back to this DVD thing, you are mental if you think non wrestling fans have any respect for pro wrestling. And they are probably right considering the way Vince McMahon treats his own audience. You should know this before you have any pro wrestling dealings with them. This is, was, and will always be the bastard son of the sports and entertainment world.
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Old 07-30-2006, 10:01 AM   #87
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If you dislike it so much, then why do you bother watching and posting about it?
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Old 07-30-2006, 11:50 AM   #88
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If you think someone know writes one episode of Weird Science or Family Guy knows and reads comics religiously knows more about pro wrestling than me then that's your opinion.

Here's an idea - maybe I don't want to be a wrestling booker or writer. Maybe I'm happy working 8-5 every day with a steady pay cheque. Maybe I prefer living in London and being with my family. Maybe I'd rather not have to rim Vince every time he has an idea to keep a job. Maybe I lack the requisite writing credits on Spongebob. Maybe the argument of "if you can do a better job...." Went out the window the minute they stopped hiring people with actual wrestling experience.

Every single person I heard speak about the WCW invasion would have booked it better than they actually did. Every single idea I heard about booking Orton vs. Hogan is better than what they are actualy doing. Maybe these WWE writers aren't the creative minds you think they are.

Maybe you think to start thinking before you talk.
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Old 07-30-2006, 12:04 PM   #89
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The great thing about being "the customer" is that you can look that guy in the eye and say "What the fuck are you smirking at, faggot?" And he can't do anything. If you escalate him to the point of cussing back at you or even swinging on you, that bitch is fired, and you go home to satisfactorily watch your wrestling DVD.

Have some balls, man.
I can tell you from experience that the store employee isn't always fired in that case, and in some cases, doesn't even get as much as a verbal warning. (well, in the case of cursing back - I'd HOPE that someone working a job like that would have it together enough not to take the first swing, and if you swing first, guess what. Self defense.)

Anyway, I don't purchase very much wrestling merchandise, but when I do, I don't seem to have that problem.
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Old 07-30-2006, 12:38 PM   #90
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Yeah I got that shit done to me before but not over wrestling. next time it happens to me I'll say "thats funny to you? fuck you" and see where it leads from there. Its only been black people that have done it though.
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Old 07-30-2006, 06:02 PM   #91
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If you dislike it so much, then why do you bother watching and posting about it?
Seriously, are you fucking stupid?
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Old 07-30-2006, 06:06 PM   #92
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God, is anyone naive enough to believe they don't promote boxing and MMA the same way as wrestling (Without the fakeness of it all)?
Come on now, you've read this thread. Hell I just wrote a mini tirade for one benefit of one person and he just turned around and asked the same questions again.

There are no naive wrestling fans.
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:06 PM   #93
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If you think someone know writes one episode of Weird Science or Family Guy knows and reads comics religiously knows more about pro wrestling than me then that's your opinion.

Here's an idea - maybe I don't want to be a wrestling booker or writer. Maybe I'm happy working 8-5 every day with a steady pay cheque. Maybe I prefer living in London and being with my family.

Every single person I heard speak about the WCW invasion would have booked it better than they actually did. Every single idea I heard about booking Orton vs. Hogan is better than what they are actualy doing. Maybe these WWE writers aren't the creative minds you think they are.

Maybe you think to start thinking before you talk.
Did you even read my post? All I asked was why are you letting your great, child gambling creative talents go to waste? Did I ever tell you that you need to be a writer for WWE or TNA? Did I give that much credit to the writers?
Dude, with your great creative ideas you can do anything aside from say "Well I can do a better job than the WWE writers" on the internet. You must go forth, bet your child, and give something of value to the world!
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:30 PM   #94
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Seriously, are you fucking stupid?
No, it just seems that you hate professional wrestling/"sports entertainment". Just tell me one thing you enjoy in wrestling today. All I ever read from you is how Shawn Michaels is a dick, Vince McMahon is bitch, wrestling is stupid, wrestling fans are dumbasses for still watching a product just because you don't enjoy it anymore,and MMA is going to take over the world.
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Old 07-30-2006, 09:22 PM   #95
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Old 07-31-2006, 11:31 AM   #96
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No, it just seems that you hate professional wrestling/"sports entertainment". Just tell me one thing you enjoy in wrestling today. All I ever read from you is how Shawn Michaels is a dick, Vince McMahon is bitch, wrestling is stupid, wrestling fans are dumbasses for still watching a product just because you don't enjoy it anymore,and MMA is going to take over the world.
Okay so you are fucking stupid.

Go back and read what I have said word for word and then take the words into your head and actually try and grasp them.

You can't read minds so stop trying to.

Kane Knight - sort this dude out please. I haven't got the energy anymore.
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Old 07-31-2006, 11:59 AM   #97
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Okay so you are fucking stupid.

Go back and read what I have said word for word and then take the words into your head and actually try and grasp them.

You can't read minds so stop trying to.

Kane Knight - sort this dude out please. I haven't got the energy anymore.
Aha, a true MMA fan wouldn't give out. Anyway, I read your little rant and you said you think the product is shitty. You don't enjoy it and it's not your "job" to watch it, but if you are so displeased with it then what is the point of watching it if you don't enjoy it and don't want to support a product you don't enjoy.
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Old 07-31-2006, 12:16 PM   #98
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I'd just like to ask Rob why he think this isn't pro wrestling.

Corkscrewed made the point in his thread that wrestling has always been full of shit, and it really HAS been. Nothing is different now. If anything, it's going back to the days of shitty ripped off gimmicks and angles that ran through the territories decades ago, only it's being televised globally.

What got you into wrestling? What promotion? If you say WWF, you weren't watching wrestling back then either, you were watching Sports Entertainment. You were watching gimmick vs gimmick, not wrestler vs wrestler. Same if you go with WCW, NWA, and really any other wrestling promotion I can think of.

What's your definition of "Professional Wrestling" Rob, because, since the 50's or so, it was always just another form of entertainment, not an athletic competition.
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Old 07-31-2006, 12:20 PM   #99
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Cmon guys, WWE isn't pro wrestling. They don't even call themselves a professional wrestling company, they "make movies". I was listening to Cornette's SpikeTV conference call, during which he told a story about sitting in on a WWE agent meeting, and they debated what to call their wrestlers.
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Cmon guys, WWE isn't pro wrestling. They don't even call themselves a professional wrestling company, they "make movies". I was listening to Cornette's SpikeTV conference call, during which he told a story about sitting in on a WWE agent meeting, and they debated what to call their wrestlers.
Again, define "Pro Wrestling" for me. It ain't gonna be anything without promos, blown-out-of-proportion gimmicks and gimmick matches.

I'll admit the WWE overly uses the entertainment and gimmick aspect of the whole thing in excess, that's not the issue. The issue is that you're saying that the thing in between the "entertainment" isn't professional wrestling? What is it then? They're using *gasp* professional wrestling moves and *gasp* professional wrestling holds. Must be something I'm missing here, but it looks like a wrestling match to me.
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Bullshit they sell those things and once I bought 2 dvds and he said man he said u'r crazy after this stuff bullshit
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Aha, a true MMA fan wouldn't give out. Anyway, I read your little rant and you said you think the product is shitty. You don't enjoy it and it's not your "job" to watch it, but if you are so displeased with it then what is the point of watching it if you don't enjoy it and don't want to support a product you don't enjoy.
Did you read the part where I said how much I actually watch?

And why do you actually give a shit whether I like it or not? Again if you don't like what I'm saying then don't read my posts. Look for the pic of Lenny and skip the text. Not that hard.
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I'd just like to ask Rob why he think this isn't pro wrestling.

Corkscrewed made the point in his thread that wrestling has always been full of shit, and it really HAS been. Nothing is different now. If anything, it's going back to the days of shitty ripped off gimmicks and angles that ran through the territories decades ago, only it's being televised globally.

What got you into wrestling? What promotion? If you say WWF, you weren't watching wrestling back then either, you were watching Sports Entertainment. You were watching gimmick vs gimmick, not wrestler vs wrestler. Same if you go with WCW, NWA, and really any other wrestling promotion I can think of.

What's your definition of "Professional Wrestling" Rob, because, since the 50's or so, it was always just another form of entertainment, not an athletic competition.
I don't remember saying it was an athletic competition.

For me, pro wrestling TV should be a combination of matches, storylines and gimmicks that make you want to pay to see the final porduct - the blow off match. WWE's matches are all the same and so if you have seen it for free, why pay for PPV's? The storylines are fucking beyond stupid. They have done nothing to build a real feud. The only one that comes close is Foley and Flair and I just don't have any interest in watching a 76 year old man wrestle now.


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Cmon guys, WWE isn't pro wrestling. They don't even call themselves a professional wrestling company, they "make movies". I was listening to Cornette's SpikeTV conference call, during which he told a story about sitting in on a WWE agent meeting, and they debated what to call their wrestlers.
Case and point.

Oh and I have never told anyone what they should and shouldn't enjoy. I hold the right to say whether I think something is shit or not though.
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I don't remember saying it was an athletic competition.

For me, pro wrestling TV should be a combination of matches, storylines and gimmicks that make you want to pay to see the final product - the blow off match. WWE's matches are all the same and so if you have seen it for free, why pay for PPV's? The storylines are fucking beyond stupid. They have done nothing to build a real feud. The only one that comes close is Foley and Flair and I just don't have any interest in watching a 76 year old man wrestle now.
First, I just threw that in there as I was seeing you as the "no gimmick, all wrestling" type.

I completely agree that wrestling should be a combination of matches, storylines and gimmicks. And I agree that the WWE storylines are currently pretty horrible for the most part. However, the way I interpret what you're saying, the wrestlers should not touch each other and/or have a match (bar tag perhaps) with each other until a PPV. Which would result in a series of squash/run-in/promo matches. You can build feuds up without the wrestlers wrestling until the "first meeting", but you can't do that for every wrestler.

Some, like Carlito/Shelton for example, is a series of matches, and is being built up as such. Lashley/Finlay is an on-again off-again thing (although it may be gone by now).

All I'm saying is that you can't book everything "perfectly", it's not possible. At this point, yes, the WWE is struggling to stay afloat when it comes to their storylines, and God knows it's getting old, but to say there aren't any proper feuds happening right now is wrong.
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Old 07-31-2006, 01:21 PM   #106
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It helps when you have people booking who actually know about wrestling and not trying to make everything a comedy act or doing whatever they can to make Vince McMahon happy.

And Carlito and Shelton is one of the most boring things I've seen in ages. This feud has totally killed any momentum that Shelton had.
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Shelton's momentum was dead after his storyline with Trips was Over

Carlito (IMO) can do more but the infamous glass ceiling is in his way
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:19 PM   #108
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Eddie vs. Rey was shaping up to be a great pro wrestling feud. It was simple, Eddie couldn't beat Rey. It started out friendly then Eddie snapped on Rey, bloodying him and tearing his mask. OMG a feud that doesn't insult or intelligence, tell me it's too good to be true....

Well it was too good to be true, since they bastardized the feud by adding Dominic into it. We all know how that turned out.
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Actually, the emphasis on entertainment is the point, and it's not particularly something that is common with pro wrestling as a whole. WWE strikes me more as being closer to WMAC Masters (Anyone remember that show) than Pro Wrestling.

Wrestling has always been part sport and part sideshow, but with Vince especially, it seems to have become part sideshow, part Hollywood. The sport element seems so underemphasised between the carnie elements and the TV elements as to be lost in the shuffle entirely. In fact, it almost seems like any wrestling that happens in World Wrestling Entertainment is accidental.
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Red Dragon was the best.

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Ho Young Pak (Star Warrior) was the shit! Fuck his older brother Superstar, and Olympus was a pussy. Machine and Red Dragon wern't bad either. But Star Warrior was the mang!
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Is it so hard to order shit online? Seriously. "Oh no, some cockbag I don't know thinks I'm a tool for watching wrestling."

I'm not knocking you, Ham-n-Eggman, but 90% of the people on this rock are assholes. Don't take it so seriously.
Well, unfortunately I don't have a computer at home...so occasionally I have to wander off in the real world to buy shit. No worries, I changed my tampon and am feeling much better today.

I guess the smirk just caught me off guard, because it rarely happens....because, you know...I'm cool.


There's some good stuff in this thread by the way
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