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Old 01-04-2004, 06:51 PM   #1
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so he was talking about... a dictionary? A book? A copy of Jugs magazine?
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Old 01-05-2004, 05:17 AM   #2
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right, and... why am I meant to be looking at a dictionary?

I mean it can't be anything to do with your 'a singer isn't a musician' comment, considering that dictionary.com defines singer as a synonym for vocalist, and a vocalist as "A singer, or vocal musician, as opposed to an instrumentalist."
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right, and... why am I meant to be looking at a dictionary?

I mean it can't be anything to do with your 'a singer isn't a musician' comment, considering that dictionary.com defines singer as a synonym for vocalist, and a vocalist as "A singer, or vocal musician, as opposed to an instrumentalist."


I wonder, also, why a capella music would be considered music, when it's only voice...

You know, if I bought that whole "Singers are not musicians" line.
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Old 01-06-2004, 01:47 AM   #5
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popluar music asswhore.
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popluar music asswhore.
Could you be a little more specific?
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popluar music asswhore.
so when chumbawamba performed 'the day the nazi died' and 'homophobia' they weren't playing music

so when Tori Amos did Me And A Gun, she wasn't performing music

so when Roy Bailey did 'only a pawn in their game' he wasn't performing music.

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Old 01-07-2004, 12:59 AM   #8
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so when chumbawamba performed 'the day the nazi died' and 'homophobia' they weren't playing music

so when Tori Amos did Me And A Gun, she wasn't performing music

so when Roy Bailey did 'only a pawn in their game' he wasn't performing music.

give it up
classical music is pretty much the only thing thats not popular music.
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guess the Flying Pickets and the King's Singers aren't music either
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I won't even mention the a capella version of Voodoo People I recorded with my friend Owen.
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I won't even mention the a capella version of Voodoo People I recorded with my friend Owen.
Are you popular musicians?

Although I will point out that since boy bands are pretty far into pop, and many boy bands do a capella numbers and versions of their songs, even as far back as Boyz II Men...

But that's not relavent...Dickwad...
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typo, you meant to say popluar musicians.

and it's a piece of popluar music, anyway

(as far as popular, we're fairly well liked)
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Old 01-06-2004, 06:22 PM   #15
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The last two minutes of Chance by Savatage: Not music?
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The last two minutes of Chance by Savatage: Not music?
Or the beginning of Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen), the end of "Rest In Peace" (Extreme), several tracks by BETTY and Moxy Früvous, Brian May's live version of '39...
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what exactly are you arguing at this point?

singers aren't musicians in popular music, which is all music except classical music.

so where do you stand on primarily vocal groups like the Flying Pickets? They don't have any instruments apart from their voices. Is what they produce 'music' in your eyes?

or have you become confused as to what you were arguing, like us?
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Old 01-07-2004, 11:22 AM   #18
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harmoney in vocals is music.
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harmoney in vocals is music.
but... I thought you said singers weren't musicians. How can they make music if they aren't musicians?

me so confused.
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Old 01-07-2004, 12:46 PM   #20
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its hard to explain. it would take awhile for you to get where im comming from.
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harmoney in vocals is music.
So we're talking in a giant circle here.

How about harmonic interplay between vocals and other instruments? And if it's not music, why does so much popular music revolve around the vox and lyrics and not the "music?"
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it seems that way. Your point is fragmented and makes no sense.

who exactly are you saying isn't a musician?
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i prefer listen to the music over the vocals...vocals do make or brake a band but the truth is most singers out there cant hit a note if their lives depended on it. face facts. pop music vocalists suck. like RA. decent enough band but the vocals leave something to be desired. trapt now they just suck at music and coulnt write a good riff if it killed them. if your strictly going on vocals hitting notes and harmoney is a must.
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i prefer listen to the music over the vocals...vocals do make or brake a band but the truth is most singers out there cant hit a note if their lives depended on it. face facts. pop music vocalists suck. like RA. decent enough band but the vocals leave something to be desired. trapt now they just suck at music and coulnt write a good riff if it killed them. if your strictly going on vocals hitting notes and harmoney is a must.
So you prefer the music, and THAT makes vocalists not musicians? Lovely argument there, chief.



By the way, the vox for Ra are awesome. You can complain, but I've heard yoru band's vocalist, so I'd say that those who live in shit houses shouldn't cry about another's smell...
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By the way, it's "harmony."

Seeing as how it's central to your argument, and you seem like you're going to be using it a lot, you might as well know how to spell it.
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also, there are pop music vocalists out there with greater range and power to their voices than the vast majority of opera singers. Listen to someone like Kristy Thirsk or Tori Amos and tell me they don't have technically astonishing voices. Hell, listen to Ruben Studdard and tell me he hasn't got a beautiful rich voice.
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Freddie Mercury. Great pop vocalist who had classical/operatic training and a huge vocal range.
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ra dosent have a good singer. tori amos plays piano. therefore she is much more than just a singer.
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ra dosent have a good singer. tori amos plays piano. therefore she is much more than just a singer.
And Ra's singer does more than just vocals.
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what play bad guitar parts?
im looking at the drumming when i judge a band.
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what play bad guitar parts?
im looking at the drumming when i judge a band.
pah. Drummers aren't musicians. They just hit things.
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im looking at the drumming when i judge a band.
yes, I'm sure you do. I'm sure that's the only part of a band that counts as "music," too.

Seriously, when your band learns to play, I'll take your criticism of other music a little more seriously. Til then.
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yes, I'm sure you do. I'm sure that's the only part of a band that counts as "music," too.

Seriously, when your band learns to play, I'll take your criticism of other music a little more seriously. Til then.
ive yet to see your bitch ass post your music. therefore **** off and i dont care. anything you say will never be taken into account as far as im concerned.
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ra dosent have a good singer. tori amos plays piano. therefore she is much more than just a singer.
you might as well say 'tori amos sings, therefore she is much more than just a pianist'

her songs 'me and a gun' and 'wampum prayer' are a capella. They are amongst the best things she has ever done.

Yes, she is a truly excellent piano player, but she is also a truly, truly EXCELLENT singer. She has an incredible, well trained voice with an astonishing range, tone and quality. THis is not invalidated by the fact that she happens to play the piano.
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you might as well say 'tori amos sings, therefore she is much more than just a pianist'

her songs 'me and a gun' and 'wampum prayer' are a capella. They are amongst the best things she has ever done.

Yes, she is a truly excellent piano player, but she is also a truly, truly EXCELLENT singer. She has an incredible, well trained voice with an astonishing range, tone and quality. THis is not invalidated by the fact that she happens to play the piano.
and this brings us back to harmoney.
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Originally Posted by everyhourdylan
and this brings us back to harmoney.
how does it bring us back to harmony when she's a solo artist who performs without backup singers?
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