Looks like WSX and TNA have company in taking on the WWE...

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Pepsi Man It's okay. I make a decent heel, if that's what I'm to play in this thread.

Don't worry, I wasn't speaking for you, simply using a level of literary comprehension. Heel, eh?

*smashes you over head with a chair*

BAH GAWD!

[Lara Emily]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Nothing has been seen, but wrestling fans are craving an alternative. The TV deal is pretty much done. They've taped the show, they've picked a time and place to air it. I'm not saying it will definately take off, I'm just saying it's there. It's so fucking stupid to cry over the WWE's quality, and then when alternatives star popping up to cry that they're not good enough. You need to give things support if they're going to get better.

No we don't, a quality product needs to be put put first then we'll support it, supporting without the required quality will just ensure more and more crap. Not saying this will definitely be crap but I;m not going to get all excited and support something right awya just because it isn't the WWE.

[Crippla]

I don't think Pepsi Man should be a heel ATM. I remember when he was a heel and he was trying to get banned, he was decent but I think his 'character' fits better as a face. He also isn't that bad of a face either and a pretty good poster.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Even that was simply to counter your own gushing that this was HUGE news, when it really only is in the same Alienoidland where Venis and Basham are champs. Huge news isn't the promise of TV promotions on a small network, Huge news is the success of these promotions. And you're already, before Lara or Lucy (ha! I made him a girl! HA!) say anything, establishing how this is going to rock the wrestling world (Among other things, calling it huge, saying that Vince will have to decide whether to "bite the bullet" and start his own territory scene). It's not hard to see their reaction is based solely, and I mean solely, on your overreaction. You're declaring Matt Morgan and Chris Masters draws, declaring that Angle has made a legitimate indie Scene (If you can even call TNA indie), etc., etc.

Dude, you just completely did what I do. You went and exaggerated everything to the point where any good arguement you had is lost.

I think Venis and Basham are underrated, not World Champ material. Get the fuck off that, it's irrelevent. HUGE news is hyperbole, granted. But anyone with common sense can look past and simply see I was implying it could be huge news. Do you really need everything spelt out for you, or are you incapable of following a trail?

The success of these promotions depend on the following of these promotions. You can't expect the shows to take off with no one watching them. I posted the news, in hope that people would be excited to hear about developments in the wrestling landscape. Obviously everyone who complains about both the WWE and TNA is happy as things are. I'm sorry, continue with your constant bitching about the quality of the product.

Deep South Wrestling is apparently getting TV time. If this is true (and that's a big if, the iffiest out of the lot of them) that means Vince's product is expanding. With DSW on TV, why not OVW? All I said was that it's possible with six different brand names (RAW, SmackDown!, ECW, DSW, OVW and UPW) it's possible we can begin to see something resembling territories. I never, ever specified that Vince would do it out of fear, because he won't (especially when the territory scene was destroyed by Vince).

This hasn't "rocked the wrestling world". Kurt Angle going to TNA rocked the wrestling world. And he has made the independants legit. TNA is walking the line between mainstream and independant. They still don't have millions of dollars to offer their employees, and they don't have the financial security the WWE do. They have big names, but they are still relatively unknown. If Angle wrestles in ROH (which you can't deny is a possibility), how can you say that the independant scene doesn't look more credible than it once did? Kurt Angle is just outside being an icon in the industry. He lends it certain credibility.

I never declared Matt Morgan and Chris Masters draws. I said Jim Cornette predicted they would be one day. He also predicted the same thing for John Cena, Batista and Randy Orton. You can't lay claim to knowing more about the business than Jim Cornette, especially when three out of five predictions have materialised (draws is probably not the right word, but they are three of the biggest stars in the industry).

And I am perfectly aware that Loose Cannon and Lara Emily responded because of my overreaction. It's when they exaggerate my overreaction that I get pissed off. Suddenly "this could be huge news" becomes "THIS IS HUGE ZOMG!!!11". It's not hard to exaggerate, and it's kind of hypocritical when you add hyperbole to statements already of that nature. It's much smarter to call them out on the added enthusiasm. Kind of like what you are doing, only you are kind of guilty of that, too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Lara Emily No we don't, a quality product needs to be put put first then we'll support it, supporting without the required quality will just ensure more and more crap. Not saying this will definitely be crap but I;m not going to get all excited and support something right awya just because it isn't the WWE.

That makes sense. The thing is, though, this vehicle is already moving. No one has seen the product yet. Back on the first page I tried to start some discussion on the potential quality of it, and it just seems people are more interested in targetting my statements saying this is something that we haven't seen before, and that there are more avenues for wrestling on television.

You don't need to support it, or get excited about it. I just think it qualifies as bigger news than Justin Credible getting released, for example (no offence to Petey).

[Lara Emily]

You know if you are goign to claim we overexagerted your initial reaction you might want to recall what you actually said.

You did not say this could potentially be huge news you said and I quote:

"This is HUGE news, in my opinion. Two new wrestling promotions, MTV is going to market wrestling (and they have enough sheep these days) and Kurt Angle in TNA. Ladies and gentlemen, you may be looking at a revival."

You even emphasized huge with big capital letters.

Translation you're full of shit but we all knew that.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Dude, you just completely did what I do. You went and exaggerated everything to the point where any good arguement you had is lost.

Verrrry good.

*slow clap*

You figured out the blatantly obvious.

[Crippla]

ROFL @ this new fued between KK and Alienoid.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Lara Emily You know if you are goign to claim we overexagerted your initial reaction you might want to recall what you actually said. You did not say this could potentially be huge news you said and I quote: "This is HUGE news, in my opinion. Two new wrestling promotions, MTV is going to market wrestling (and they have enough sheep these days) and Kurt Angle in TNA. Ladies and gentlemen, you may be looking at a revival." You even emphasized huge with big capital letters. Translation you're full of shit but we all knew that.

But it is huge news.

You're honestly argueing about the definition of huge. Did it ever occur to you that huge can be measured differently from person to person? See, I don't give a fuck about your life. Therefore, something that is huge to you isn't to me. Likewise, if my dad died tomorrow, it'd be huge to me, but I'm sure you'd probably laugh.

I may have gone overboard with my wording. But as a wrestling fan, when wrestling promotions get attention, it is big. Maybe you see things differently, but that doesn't make you right. If this promotion takes off, and people begin to watch it, and it becomes something more than a failure, would it qualify as "HUGE"? I was just looking at the bigger picture when I wrote what I did, simply because I like to look at the potential in things.

"It's so great you're pregnant!" can go several different ways. The person making that statement is obviously poitning out the good things a child can bring. The baby could die at birth, and traumatically scar the mother. Just because I made a statement doesn't mean I was looking at the immediate. The promotion isn't even on TV at this stage, so you can't even talk about the "now" with it.

I should have chosen my words more carefully, yes. I'm sorry I didn't take the time to craft each and every sentence of mine to perfection, so that idiots and those of us who like to look only at the immediate can appreciate. I'm sorry, I'll try to be more blunt in the future.

And seeing as we're playing the quote game:

"OMG OMG 2 random promotions getting tv deals on some obscure specialty cable channel that probably less than a third of the US gets, the WWE has huge competition now!"

You said that, and seeing as you're taking shots at me for not recalling what I said, I'm going to ask you to recall where anyone said "huge competition". No one said it, most I said was this was "HUGE news", which was in response to an article saying that wrestling WILL be on their station. It may not be, but the article wasn't about whether or not it was, it was about it being on. It may not air, but assuming it does (which is what this fucking thread is about), that qualifies as "HUGE".

I created this thread with the intent of discussing what would happen if these promotions get off the ground. If that wasn't the intent, we may as well sit on our hands. If both these promotions get off the ground, at least to TNA's level, and WSX does the same, things will probably pick up for the industry. You can make fun of that all you want, but if you don't want to discuss what this means, you're pretty much wasting your time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Verrrry good. *slow clap* You figured out the blatantly obvious.

So, you're admitting you've got nothing?

You shouldn't have wasted that post time on me, then. Flattering, but you could have whacked off or something.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Lara Emily You know if you are goign to claim we overexagerted your initial reaction you might want to recall what you actually said. You did not say this could potentially be huge news you said and I quote: "This is HUGE news, in my opinion. Two new wrestling promotions, MTV is going to market wrestling (and they have enough sheep these days) and Kurt Angle in TNA. Ladies and gentlemen, you may be looking at a revival." You even emphasized huge with big capital letters. Translation you're full of shit but we all knew that.

Yup. He was declaring this huge news, he was indicating a decision out of McMahon was in order, he was insisting that Angle had legitimised indie wrestling. All of which is easy enough to quote, none of which is anything more than fantastic BULLSHIT from someone famous for it.

Not to mention that "I can almost feel the industry changing," which at best was poorly worded.

This is HUGE news, in my opinion

Plus, with DSW getting air-time, one has to question whether Vince will bite the bullet and start his own territory scene, with OVW also getting put on somewhere. I can almost feel the industry changing.

Vince must at least be getting migraines over this.

When has there been this much wresting on network TV? Kurt Angle has gone to TNA. Anyone who doesn't act like these are two dramatic changes are fools.

Fucking smart-ass idiots are actually worse than the people they "imitate". All I've said is that this is a positive step for the wrestling industry. If you all want to see McMahon perform fellatio on himself during the timeslot where a wrestling show used to be, that's fine, but for all those craving a direction for the industry...here it is. "It's too small, "They've got no chance", "Vince will destroy them (even though he is yet to destroy TNA, who just got Kurt fucking Angle)," etc. Shut the fuck up and SUPPORT IT! If you don't want to, fine...but fuck off. Anyone angry with the WWE product can find solace in the fact that networks are at least interested in adopting alternative wrestling programming.

Quoted for irony.

With Kurt Angle adding credibility to the independant scene, guys like Brock Lesnar may be tempted to return, if just for the attention and to use it as a springboard.

It's great that the WWE isn't the end-all these days.

Hmmm....

[Impact!]

Nice post Alienoid

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 So, you're admitting you've got nothing?

Hardly. I'm just mocking your ability to catch only part of the post and blow it out of proportion. Besides, maybe you can jerk off in under 90 seconds, but most people have some level of stamina.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I honestly do admire the way you turn people's words against them. It leaves them completely unable to attack your words, as they draw on their's for power. It's kind of like a checkmate scenario. I'll give it a go, though:

You are aware that I when I was talking about the industry, I was including Kurt Angle going to TNA, aren't you? You know, with the best wrestler in the world in the independant scene, it kind of makes it a little more exciting, does it not? When I said the industry changing, that was referring to TV stations whoring themselves out to wrestling, making it more easily accessible, as well as the aforementioned Kurt Angle thing?

You can point out hyperbole all you want, but honestly, do you not consider Kurt Angle in TNA a big move? Do you not consider network TV prostituting its time to professional wrestling (no matter how small it may be) a sizeable development?

"Plus, with DSW getting air-time, one has to question whether Vince will bite the bullet and start his own territory scene, with OVW also getting put on somewhere."

Yeah, I've already addressed this, genius. But I'll do it again: Vince hates OVW. He purchased their library, apparently barred mention of it on his programming, etc. Assuming Deep South Wrestling gets a timeslot on MavTV (which is what this thread is about, the prospect of this channel actually showing a lot of wrestling), Vince's development system is partially exposed. He hates his farm leagues, where a lot of stuff which contradicts WWE programming takes place, but with time becomming available, he might go ahead and start pushing this programming forward.

And Vince would be pretty pissed off that TNA got Kurt Angle. Don't play that off as little. Plus, wrestling on TV = bad. The WWE likes a little competition, yes, but I doubt Vince wants wrestling on so frequently, people are BOUND to run into something without segments based around elderly asses on it.

KK, you know what irony is. I honestly can't find anything relevent in your bolded parts. You're either much smarter than me (I doubt the "much"), or you're just bolding things which you can turn into something irrelevent (again), so you can do some shadowy smearing of my name. The same goes for the last two paragraphs. What the fuck is your point? The WWE should be the only option on TV?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Hardly. I'm just mocking your ability to catch only part of the post and blow it out of proportion. Besides, maybe you can jerk off in under 90 seconds, but most people have some level of stamina.

Oh. Usually mocking has some kind of substance behind it. Saying "Yep, you got me" when I said you have pretty much become the pot to call the kettle black isn't really substantial. You could go ahead and argue "irony" or "parody", but that just plays into me theory on how you could do better things to please your ego, like masturbate.

I'm being serious. You saying that I called Matt Morgan and Chris Masters draws is either blantantly ignorant on your part (not what I expect from you), or you taking liberties with your arguements, which makes them invalid, which means you could have saved up the time it took to craft each sentence, and put your hand on your penis, or made a meal for yourself, or something. There are much more constructive things you could be doing than wasting your times arguing something you're clearly not thinking about.

[Crippla]

OH CANADA!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by CanadianCrippla OH CANADA!!!!!!!!!!

You're clearly exaggerating...

[Crippla]

I say whatcha gonna do, you're a dying man talking all this bullshit when your life's in my hands.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 I wasn't talking about Pepsi Man, sorry if it came off that way. I was talking about LC and Lara Emily, who come in and exaggerate all this shit about "It's going to be huge!", completely overlooking the issues raised by people in this thread.

WTF, I post like two words in this thread and I get blamed. You make the most ridiculous points I've ever seen anybody make. No, this new promotion will not work. It's a stupid run of the mill indy fed that nobody, excpet some hardcore smarks who have nothing better to do beisdes jerking off to some other 10 cent Indy Fed, will watch. The wrestling business is currently in a shit hole. Nobody gives a flying crap anymore. You really believe anybody is a draw anymore? There are no draws.

Everytime you mention things like Val Venis being champion and Brent Albright being a somebody and who ever the fuck else is running around on Smackdown being the greatest thing ever makes to laugh. I understand you live in a fantasy wrestling world most of the time, but I swear you post the biggest bullshit I've ever read on wreslting boards. Like 99% of your posts are insane ideas that will never come to be in the WWE.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Oh. Usually mocking has some kind of substance behind it. Saying "Yep, you got me" when I said you have pretty much become the pot to call the kettle black isn't really substantial. You could go ahead and argue "irony" or "parody", but that just plays into me theory on how you could do better things to please your ego, like masturbate. I'm being serious. You saying that I called Matt Morgan and Chris Masters draws is either blantantly ignorant on your part (not what I expect from you), or you taking liberties with your arguements, which makes them invalid, which means you could have saved up the time it took to craft each sentence, and put your hand on your penis, or made a meal for yourself, or something. There are much more constructive things you could be doing than wasting your times arguing something you're clearly not thinking about.

You called me on a single "liberty" for effect and then claimed it negated my argument. I facetiously agreed. Hence the slow clap reference.

I'm not being serious. The numerous quotes I just used illustrate how deep a whole you're trying to backtrack yourself out of. I don't need to be serious, because it's painfully evident that you're not really serious. I mean, I'm sure you think you are, but you were so quick to fellate this, you made numerous statements fully and perfectly laughable, especially in context with other quotes, or that totally damage any stance you might have. You called hyperbole once, which is true. If you expect me to forfeit an entire argument based on one hyperbolic statement, I suggest you look at your entire participation in this thread. Because if one instance of hyperbole disqualifies my entire argument, you TKO'd yourself before I even started.

[Pepsi Man]

Originally Posted by CanadianCrippla I say whatcha gonna do, you're a dying man talking all this bullshit when your life's in my hands.

Settle down, down, down.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon WTF, I post like two words in this thread and I get blamed. You make the most ridiculous points I've ever seen anybody make. No, this new promotion will not work. It's a stupid run of the mill indy fed that nobody, excpet some hardcore smarks who have nothing better to do beisdes jerking off to some other 10 cent Indy Fed, will watch. The wrestling business is currently in a shit hole. Nobody gives a flying crap anymore. You really believe anybody is a draw anymore? There are no draws. Everytime you mention things like Val Venis being champion and Brent Albright being a somebody and who ever the fuck else is running around on Smackdown being the greatest thing ever makes to laugh. I understand you live in a fantasy wrestling world most of the time, but I swear you post the biggest bullshit I've ever read on wreslting boards. Like 99% of your posts are insane ideas that will never come to be in the WWE.

Dude, I wasn't "blaming" you. I just pointed out that no one said this is going to be huge competition for the WWE. You can try and twist my "independant scene is credible", "Vince must care" and "this is HUGE news" statements all you want, I have never said and I have never believed any of this will make so much as a dent on the WWE. I've simply been argueing that the current state on the industry could use more avenues to showcase wrestlers. You just wanted to get a reaction and be the cool outsider in the threat. That's fine, I'm just pointing that you were inaccurate.

You have no clue whether or not this promotion will work. It could fail. It could get Ted Turner behind it and have a million dollar budget. You don't know, so shut the fuck up. It's at least an alternative.

I am perfectly fucking aware there are no draws. It's obvious no one cares anymore. I'm just saying that people are more likely to care if they stmble upon wrestling whilst flicking channels on a Wednesday night, and see some guys busting their ass and doing phenominal shit, rather than John Cena acting like a wigger.

And there you go with the inaccuracies again. I've never once suggested Val Venis SHOULD be WWE Champion, I've said he COULD be Champion. And Brent Albright could be something. The guy is fantastic.

Um, 99% of my insane ideas aren't things anyone expects the WWE. It's called fantasy booking. It's how things could be different, it's how things could be better. Don't point out that they aren't realistic. A retarded child could figure that out. If you honestly think any of my "Brent Albright should be used to his fullest potential by the WWE" points are things I expect to see the WWE employ, you're the one who's full of shit. I'm sorry, but I think everyone's worked out Val Venis ain't getting off Heat anytime soon. The question is, should he?

If wrestling threads were ever archived, this one would do nicely.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight You called me on a single "liberty" for effect and then claimed it negated my argument. I facetiously agreed. Hence the slow clap reference. I'm not being serious. The numerous quotes I just used illustrate how deep a whole you're trying to backtrack yourself out of. I don't need to be serious, because it's painfully evident that you're not really serious. I mean, I'm sure you think you are, but you were so quick to fellate this, you made numerous statements fully and perfectly laughable, especially in context with other quotes, or that totally damage any stance you might have. You called hyperbole once, which is true. If you expect me to forfeit an entire argument based on one hyperbolic statement, I suggest you look at your entire participation in this thread. Because if one instance of hyperbole disqualifies my entire argument, you TKO'd yourself before I even started.

Oh, I see, perhaps you should have made a light-hearted statement that wasn't actually harmful to your case.

I'm not being serious about this at all, it's just fun to argue this thing into the ground. People say "I'm full of shit", yet people have constantly told me that my writings on the these boards may not be realistic, but are logical. I'd like to see the where this shit is.

I take liberties when discussing things or people, yes. I created this thread to do so. It's like seeing a bomb being dropped. No one gives a fuck the bomb is being dropped, it's just the resulting explosion people care about. Of course it may be a dud. All I've been saying is imagine this bomb exploded, and XCW and Adrenaline Unleashed achieved to the same point as TNA. It seems some people can't get over the fact I'm not being cynical about developments in the wrestling world, just for the Hell of it.

I can appreciate cynicism, it's just a little tunnel-visioned people can't understand a little constructive theorising. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the chain of positives that may result from this, or to discuss the likelihood of such a chain.

I don't expect you to forfeit, I know you love debating too much. I can respect that you'll always find something to call me out on, or create something using wit. All I'm saying is that I have been logical during this arguement, you haven't. Anything crazy I've said outside this arguement is irrelvent. Within this arguement, you're the one exaggerating. I'm just pointing out the irony in that.

[Kane Knight]

I'd call it shit booking, actually.

Or A6faptimebooking.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Oh, I see, perhaps you should have made a light-hearted statement that wasn't actually harmful to your case.

It really isn't all that harmful, because I'm not denying hyperbole on that one count. You can try and make it bigger, but it really isn't.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I'd call it shit booking, actually. Or A6faptimebooking.

If that's what you want to call it, fine. But I've gotten great feedback from a lot of my stuff.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight It really isn't all that harmful, because I'm not denying hyperbole on that one count. You can try and make it bigger, but it really isn't.

Eh, this arguement really isn't all that substancial, it can really be as big or as small as you want it to be.

It's kind of lost all value your arguements have in my eyes, as I'm sure my penchant for using hyperbole to effect discredits mine completely in your's. There aren't really any points, so our own biases are kind of going to distort and twist things to the point where neither of us is thinking on the same level.

I think you using hyperbole in an arguement, when you're entire arguement is based on me exaggerating kind of makes things ironically hypocritical. You don't. Fair enough.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 If that's what you want to call it, fine. But I've gotten great feedback from a lot of my stuff.

So does TNA. That doesn't make it any more a big heap of shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight So does TNA. That doesn't make it any more a big heap of shit.

I don't mind TNA. I hate a lot of their shit, though, so I can agree with you there. Actually, I should say I don't mind their PPVs and the quality of their matches. Their booking is God awful.

[Pepsi Man]

As for Alienoid, he reminds me of a guy playing a wrestling sim with every post. :meh:

(not meant with offense)

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Their booking is God awful.

I think he's touched upon it.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Dude, I wasn't "blaming" you. I just pointed out that no one said this is going to be huge competition for the WWE. You can try and twist my "independant scene is credible", "Vince must care" and "this is HUGE news" statements all you want, I have never said and I have never believed any of this will make so much as a dent on the WWE. I've simply been argueing that the current state on the industry could use more avenues to showcase wrestlers. You just wanted to get a reaction and be the cool outsider in the threat. That's fine, I'm just pointing that you were inaccurate. You have no clue whether or not this promotion will work. It could fail. It could get Ted Turner behind it and have a million dollar budget. You don't know, so shut the fuck up. It's at least an alternative. I am perfectly fucking aware there are no draws. It's obvious no one cares anymore. I'm just saying that people are more likely to care if they stmble upon wrestling whilst flicking channels on a Wednesday night, and see some guys busting their ass and doing phenominal shit, rather than John Cena acting like a wigger. And there you go with the inaccuracies again. I've never once suggested Val Venis SHOULD be WWE Champion, I've said he COULD be Champion. And Brent Albright could be something. The guy is fantastic. Um, 99% of my insane ideas aren't things anyone expects the WWE. It's called fantasy booking. It's how things could be different, it's how things could be better. Don't point out that they aren't realistic. A retarded child could figure that out. If you honestly think any of my "Brent Albright should be used to his fullest potential by the WWE" points are things I expect to see the WWE employ, you're the one who's full of shit. I'm sorry, but I think everyone's worked out Val Venis ain't getting off Heat anytime soon. The question is, should he?

What was with calling me out then in this thread when I posted as follows "LOL Exactly." Sorry if that offended you where you needed to say as follows "I was talking about LC and Lara Emily, who come in and exaggerate all this shit about "It's going to be huge!", completely overlooking the issues raised by people in this thread."

So where did I comes in and exaggerate all this shit? How does my "LOL Exactly" statement imply what you are saying? Or are you just coming in and exaggerating all this shit about my two word post?

And yes, the promotion will fail. I'm 100% sure. I'll be sure to quote this sentence in 6 months if you're still around here. So you shut the fuck up.

Are you really trying to tell me you never said Val Venis should be champion? Don't give me this could/should bullshit. You know in the past you have posted such crap like you think Val Venis derserves a shot at being champion. That sounds like a "should" be champion to me. I swear you come off like some 8 year old mark that hasn't a clue as to how the wrestling business works and dreams up of ideas that will never come to be.

But the thing is you do know how the wrestling business works and I know some of your posts are fantasy booking, but you can't tell me all your posts here in the past year have been all fantasy. I mean sometimes I look at your posts and am like what the fuck is he thinking? People would never watch that.

Originally Posted by Alienoid[/quote I'm just saying that people are more likely to care if they stmble upon wrestling whilst flicking channels on a Wednesday night, and see some guys busting their ass and doing phenominal shit, rather than John Cena acting like a wigger.

First, Cena hasn't acted like a wigger in a while. He was doing that in 2004. Second, the wrestling business has always been about entertainment first and "wrestling" second. It's always been like that. Well at least the ones that make the most money and are successful. Even in TNA, guys like Eric Young, Nash, Shelley, Christian are over because they ahve entertaining skits. Yes, 3 of 4 are good wrestlers and do bust there asses, but it's there skits/promos that gets them over.

The minority of wrestling fans watch wrestling to see guys busting there asses week in and week out. TNA would not be where it's at without the casual entertianment that runs throughout its programming.

Anyway, THE MAN BEAST!!!!!! HEEBY JEEBIES.