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Old 12-05-2006, 11:35 AM   #81
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PWInsider.com has just reported the details on Paul Heyman’s departure from not only ECW but apparently WWE as a whole. According to reports, Vince McMahon was furious at last night’s ECW December to Dismember pay per view and is trying to pin all the blame on Paul Heyman. Nevermind the fact that it was more of a WWE style pay per view than an ECW one.

According to sources, Vince believes that Paul doesn’t get what the new vision of ECW should be and that he is "caught in the past." So how did all of this come about?

Well apparently the problems started last night when Heyman, angry at how the show was being booked, began voicing his opinions before, during and after the show. Reportedly there were definite issues between Vince and Paul that escalated today at the tapings where a meeting was held at approx. 2pm eastern time with Heyman, Stephanie McMahon-Levesque and Vince McMahon.

After the meeting Heyman came out of the meeting looking normal like nothing had transpired. He then grabbed his stuff and left. The word is this is NOT a storyline at all and that Paul Heyman is done with World Wrestling Entertainment.
Seriously.
What build up on ECW TV was there for Daivari vs. Dreamer?
Knox/Kelly versus Thorn/Ariel?

NONE.

Knox/Kelly have been in the middle of a SL with CM Punk. Ariel/Thorn haven't even been paying them any mind.

and Daivari has just been fighting random people with the help of Khali as enforcer.

and Hardys/MNM was built up... but only on Raw, not ECW.

The only match even hyped for that PPV was the Elimination Chamber, and did you think people who had just spent on Survivor Series a week or so ago are going to shell out again for this second-rate PPV?

FOH.

Vince lost, IMO.
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Old 12-05-2006, 03:59 PM   #82
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if his contract ends in ether feb or march, and he wanted to go to tna, as long as he is not an on air talent he could advise them for free till his contract expires. he could say fire russo and let jim cornett run things till i get there.
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Old 12-05-2006, 04:23 PM   #83
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Somewhat off topic, but words from Dreamer after D2D;

NMB sent in the following report in regards to meeting Tommy Dreamer after Sunday's ECW PPV ... I talked with Dreamer briefly after December To Disappoint tonight. He hung around after the show and there was a small crowd of people coming up to him pissed off. I asked Dreamer if Sabu not being there tonight had anything to do with him leaving ECW. He said "I don't know for sure, but it's probably the case." I then asked if the rumors about RVD leaving are true and he didn't say yes or no, just "Him and Sabu might not be the only ones, man." Then I asked if December To Disappoint was the final bullet in the head for ECW and he told me "ECW's been dead, I'm now realizing it. The only part of it still alive are you guys." Then we shook hands, hugged and he said "I'm sorry."
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Old 12-05-2006, 04:40 PM   #84
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I feel for guys like Dreamer and Heyman who worked so hard for ECW. They know more than anyone that this new incarnation isn't the same, but it's still got to hurt knowing someone is fucking with the memory of your child.
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I feel for guys like Dreamer and Heyman who worked so hard for ECW. They know more than anyone that this new incarnation isn't the same
Yeah, i'm gutted for them.
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Old 12-05-2006, 05:30 PM   #86
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I really feel bad. It sucks for guys who are the heart and soul of ECW still there. And it sucks that a guy who built it isn't even in control of it anymore. Its been swindled from him, and changed around. And worst of all its not even working out.
Normally I stick up for Vince and WWE but this is a disgrace. Vince blaming Heyman is such a dick move, and firing someone from their own thing? What the fuck...
I truly do hope Heyman winds up on TNA
He's a great fit for them for 3 reasons.
1. Great on air personality. He could be the voice they need at the announce table and/or be a great kayfabe authority figure/GM

2. Booking. This guy knows how to book a show, he knows how to run a show. He knows wrestling, hes a fan and knows whats good and whats crap. Hes well respected and liked, and has experience and success. He can also book gold out of crap. Think of what he can do with TNAs roster. No offense to Sandman and Dreamer, but he turned two out of shape guys in street clothes with mediocre at best ring skills into big names. He made a guy as small as Tazz come off as one of the most dominating, unstoppable forces going.

3. Hes got an eye for talent. This isn't talked about much, but this guy knows how to recognize talent, and book them, and allow them to be who they are. This guy has great relations and feel in the business and can find new talent. He'd landed Guerrrero, Benoit, Jericho, Mysterio and others and couldnt keep them cuz he didnt have money, he also allowed Foley and Steve Austin to be themselves and make it to the bigtime in WWF. In TNA, he has a lot more to work with. His contacts also make him a magnet for other talent. I mean, he could certainly bring over guys like RVD and such. Joey Styles, all kinds of guys who are stuck in WWE now, or out of the business could be lured over to TNA when they want to return to action/are out of their contracts.


I think they should get him and put him in serious control. I dont neccesarily think this means that they have to do anything with Russo or Cornette. I think the team of all 3 of them could book a hell of a goddamn show.
Russo often gets cracked on for his work in WCW and such, but hes had his strenghts back in the WWF and I think he just needs a mind to control him and work under/with. This could be Heyman. Cornette knows his shit.
Get these 3 together and make TNA something I can watch.
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Old 12-05-2006, 05:31 PM   #87
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How long did Heyman book SD! for. All I can remember was that he started booking it when the brand split started. It was a quality show, summed up by two words.

Smackdown! Six
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Old 12-05-2006, 06:15 PM   #88
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huh?
I can tell its an angle because they have changed the interviews already. I read the initial interview yesterday and all of those were worded quite differently.
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Old 12-05-2006, 06:35 PM   #89
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Heyman, Russo and Cornette working together in TNA?

Those three hate each others' guts.
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Old 12-05-2006, 07:18 PM   #90
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I don't think hate is a strong enough word to describe Cornette's feelings for Russo.
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I don't think hate is a strong enough word to describe Cornette's feelings for Russo.
Well the Heyman/Cornette feud stretches back to their teens, when both were ringside photographers. In fact, it's almost a miracle that Cornette ever made an appearance in ECW back in 1997.

I'm not too sure of any heat between Heyman and Russo, though. Anybody know of any? I'm almost sure I remember they do not get along.
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I knew nothing about problems with Heyman and Russo.
And I was under the impression Cornette and Russo were both working for TNA now as it is.
And Heyman and Cornette? Havent they worked together in WWE? I didnt know there were problems.
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One could make Steven Hawkings come off as brilliant on the mic and in-ring, the other books like he's the intellectual peer of Eugene.

What could they possibly have to dislike each other over?
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I don't even know what to say to this shit other than,

This is about as bad as Vince has fucked up and I feel sorry for Dreamer
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Well Dreamer and company will be out of a job soon, and I'm sure with Paul gone they won't mind anyways.
If Paul goes to TNA, if not i'm sure they'll just retire. I'm sure a lot of his friends will follow.
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I knew nothing about problems with Heyman and Russo.
And I was under the impression Cornette and Russo were both working for TNA now as it is.
And Heyman and Cornette? Havent they worked together in WWE? I didnt know there were problems.
Cornette and Russo ARE working for TNA and according to reports being kept as far away from each other as possible.

Cornette and Heyman have worked together on many occasions in the past, even feuding in the NWA in the 1980s with their tag teams The Midnight Express and The New Midnight Express. But they really don't get along.

I think Heyman may have some animosity towards Russo for stealing the Attitude concept from ECW, but I don't know if it would stop them working together. Doubt it, their both professionals. I mean, they MUST be, some of the shit they've endured over the years without walking away.
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All three obviously have a passion for the industry, so I hope they can kind of put it behind them, just for the sake of fucking over the WWE. Jim Cornette and Paul Heyman are two completely different mind, Cornette is more old-school and Heyman is more modern. Have Cornette work with the younger guys behind the scenes, and have Heyman book the shows.

I'm undecided about Russo. The guy gets too much shit, in my opinion, but he does get a bit out-there. Isn't that what TNA needs, though? I'd keep him on speed-dial, but let Heyman handle the booking. And for the love of God, replace Don West with Paul Heyman on colour commentary. That'd be so awesome, and for some reason, I see Tenay and Heyman having magnificent chemistry.
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Old 12-05-2006, 11:15 PM   #98
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^ Agreed about Heyman replacing West, that would be the best thing to ever happen to TNA.
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Old 12-06-2006, 07:14 AM   #99
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I can't help think, that if this is real, that it's the best news for all concerned. Heyman can do the stuff he does well elsewhere, ECW will die, their wrestlers will be released and the decent ones will show up elsewhere. Show can retire gracefully, Khali can fuck off back to nothingness, Lashley can do the same for all I care.

On the other hand however, Punk's burial will be complete as he will get NOWHERE on either of the other shows.

Bit of a shock, but with WWE.com's new 'the real story' agenda of recent times, I'd go with real.

D2D was truely truely awful. Now if Heyman had little control over it, then he has to go - there's no point in him working there. If he was in creative control of it (how minute a chance that is), then he has to go because of the travesty that the PPV is.

On the same hand however, I'd fire every single damn writer in the WWE at the moment. Raw was again terrible, SD - well I can't even begin to talk about that.
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^ SD has been good lately, but one bad show and everyone says its in the shitter, not every show can be good every week, you know? Just not possible these days.
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C'mon... Vince and company don't have the foresight to make this a successful, long-plotted angle.

WWE always takes real life events and publicizes them online. Heyman's really gone, and they're just taking advantage of it to tease people.
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There's been no official announcement of his release though. Just that he's been sent home.

Even if it is 100% real, WWE could turn around and decide they do want Heyman to come back to work, and he would have to, as long as he is under contract.
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So heymans getting payed to do nothing? I don't see how that benefits the WWE...they're strange like that.
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So heymans getting payed to do nothing? I don't see how that benefits the WWE...they're strange like that.
It prevents him from competing with them, and if you don't see how that benefits the WWE, well...I don't know what more to say.
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I read a follow up on I think either the Observer of PWI, but Heyman is not actually GONE from WWE as of right.

He is basically at home getting paid by the WWE, so he is not free to go any other place right now.
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Old 12-11-2006, 09:29 AM   #106
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they are not going to fire him they will just wait till his contract runs out. i wonder if he can still give out free advice to other companys till his contract runs out.
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Old 12-11-2006, 11:31 AM   #107
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So heymans getting payed to do nothing? I don't see how that benefits the WWE...they're strange like that.
Guys getting paid to do nothing... Hmm. Where have I heard of this happening before?
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Old 12-11-2006, 11:33 AM   #108
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So heymans getting payed to do nothing? I don't see how that benefits the WWE...they're strange like that.
He can't go to TNA, that's how it benefits WWE.
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:15 PM   #109
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Which says all kinds of things about Vince. I mean, hes to blame for an abomination and they have no use for him in the company anymore, hes firing worthy...yet god forbid he be bringing what he has to the table for another company.
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:51 PM   #110
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If Heyman's really gone, that sucks.
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Old 12-12-2006, 12:34 PM   #111
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It prevents him from competing with them, and if you don't see how that benefits the WWE, well...I don't know what more to say.
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