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Old 01-02-2007, 08:02 PM   #81
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Why the hell wasn't 'Big' John working the main event??
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I do think it was ended too soon, even though he was getting his ass handed to him. I wanted to see Chuck knock him out.
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He was blocking alot of Liddell's punches..

It's the fact that it was with his head and face that made the ref stop the fight...
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Old 01-02-2007, 08:11 PM   #84
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I hope this will shut up Tito Ortiz.
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Old 01-02-2007, 08:37 PM   #85
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Ortiz is a bitch.
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Tito lost, plain and simple. I don't like saying that, but it's totally true.
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It's being reported that Ortiz's ankle and shoulder were hurt bad before the match and he was also suffering from fatigue and an irregular heartbeat (which caused confusion and dizziness during the match) as he had spent the hours before the fight with Jenna.

Well I def give Ortiz props here as he went into the fight at prob 13% out of 100 and still managed to go 3 rounds with the Ice Princess. Nothing but class.

I think he should get another shot when he's @ 100% next time.
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It's being reported that Ortiz's ankle and shoulder were hurt bad before the match and he was also suffering from fatigue and an irregular heartbeat (which caused confusion and dizziness during the match) as he had spent the hours before the fight with Jenna.

Well I def give Ortiz props here as he went into the fight at prob 13% out of 100 and still managed to go 3 rounds with the Ice Princess. Nothing but class.

I think he should get another shot when he's @ 100% next time.
What did I tell you? Give him a night or two to sleep on it.
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I knew you'd come in here and try to make that argument. Tito got owned the vast majority of that fight, were those blows landing at the end of the fight? For the most part no. Was Tito defending himself? No, he was lying there like a woman waiting for the insertion. If you aren't going to defend yourself or try to escape you might as well tap because the ref will end it there every time.
Owend the vast majority of the fight. Well he got owned for the flurry in the 1st and the 3rd when it was stopped. That's not the "vast majority" of a fight now is it? He also won the second so it was 19-19 on points going into the third. Still not owned. Was Tito defending himself? Well if you call having your arms over your face and take the majority of the shots aimed at your face on your arms then I guess he was. He took 19 punches and only 4 hit his head. And Randy Couture - the expert color announcer on the show - said right when it was stopped "it's not hurting him. He is hitting his arms mostly but he's not hurting him". I'd take Randy's word for it too considering he has taken punches from Liddell and Ortiz. And Tito also took a bigger beating in the first round in my opinion and he survived that.

You come on here making out there is zero debate that it was a early stoppage. Well people are debating it all over the net. It's simple really. Ortiz stopped 15 out of 19 punches from hitting his face and wasn't knocked unconcious and thus was intellegently defending himself. Whether he would have taken other 50 punches after it is debating but the fact is that he only took 4 punches to the head when he was on mat.
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Owend the vast majority of the fight. Well he got owned for the flurry in the 1st and the 3rd when it was stopped. That's not the "vast majority" of a fight now is it? He also won the second so it was 19-19 on points going into the third. Still not owned. Was Tito defending himself? Well if you call having your arms over your face and take the majority of the shots aimed at your face on your arms then I guess he was. He took 19 punches and only 4 hit his head. And Randy Couture - the expert color announcer on the show - said right when it was stopped "it's not hurting him. He is hitting his arms mostly but he's not hurting him". I'd take Randy's word for it too considering he has taken punches from Liddell and Ortiz. And Tito also took a bigger beating in the first round in my opinion and he survived that.

You come on here making out there is zero debate that it was a early stoppage. Well people are debating it all over the net. It's simple really. Ortiz stopped 15 out of 19 punches from hitting his face and wasn't knocked unconcious and thus was intellegently defending himself. Whether he would have taken other 50 punches after it is debating but the fact is that he only took 4 punches to the head when he was on mat.
I can see where you could say it was stopped early, but it wasn't like Tito was trying to do anything from the fetal position. I think if it went on all that would have happened was Chuck reigning down more punches to Tito. It's better to let the fight end like that than let Tito take more unanswered punches to his head. Also the difference between the 1st and 3rd rounds was that Tito was trying to escape in the 1st, and to his credit he survived an onslaught which not a lot of guys have been able to do.
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Old 01-03-2007, 05:48 PM   #92
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I didn't see you guys complaining when the last Ortiz/Shamrock bout was stopped..


You know why??

Because regaurdless whether or not it was stopped early, Ortiz won in dominating fashion..

Chuck did the same..

Cry about it..
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Old 01-03-2007, 05:56 PM   #93
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Yeah Rob, just checked the "Ortiz/Shamrock III" thread and you didn't say a single word about early stoppage.. And it was stopped after like 5 unanswered elbows, not after 20 punches..

How do you type while clinging to Ortiz' cock??
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Why the hell wasn't 'Big' John working the main event??
Cuz he sucks. No seriously, I think he would've stopped it in round 1.
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Yeah Rob, just checked the "Ortiz/Shamrock III" thread and you didn't say a single word about early stoppage.. And it was stopped after like 5 unanswered elbows, not after 20 punches..

How do you type while clinging to Ortiz' cock??
Difference is Shamrock had no defence. He actually took 5 unanswered elbows. If Ortiz took 5 of Liddell's haymakers straight to the face, I wouldn't debate the stoppage. But he didn't even take 2 straight punches to the face out of 19. FACT.

Clinging to Ortiz's cock? Blah blah blah. It's the same nonsense from you lot everytime I defend anyone. I got accused of nut hugging Dave Meltzer before and I buried his scoring of this fight. It doesn't matter that it's Tito Ortiz. It could have been Liddell taking the punches from Ortiz and my arguement would still be the same. Randy Couture had the same arguement I did and yet he is hardly Tito's best pal. I guess he wants Tito's cock too right?

The point is the stoppage was debatable. I'm still not saying it was wrong and I do agree that it's better to stop it early than stop it too late. But it's still debatable. Anyone denying it was arguable is a fucking idiot.
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It's a subjective decision left up to the ref..

You bitching about it is like me bitching about a questionable pass interference call in football..

It does nothing..

As long as humans are in charge of making calls like this, questionable calls will be made.. Simple as that.. The fact is, it was not near as close of a fight as you're making it out to be.. Liddell owned him the ENTIRE fight minus the one takedown.. Tito even said he flat out lost in the post fight interview..

I just don't see why, when he isn't questioning it, you are..
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Oh and I was joking about the "clinging to his cock" thing..

I know you are not a little faggot fanboy like LooseCannon..
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ow, just heard Ortiz was in a car accident and had surgery to repair his kneecap 5 hours before the fight. just wow. this guy continues to amaze.

I heard he even accepted Ken Shamrock's apology afterwards for hitting him.
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It's a subjective decision left up to the ref..

You bitching about it is like me bitching about a questionable pass interference call in football..

It does nothing..
Nothing any of us say on internet forums does anything. That's why we do it.
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How true.

I look at it this way though. Say they let Chuck beat on him for the last minute and seconds of the fight as he is in the fetal position. Before they got down their, Tito was starting to show signs of fatigue from being hit. Any man would of started to show signs of fatigue after being hit. A punch to the temple, and thats where Chuck got him in the first with his left, really disorients a person. Both of the men started to show signs of fatigue in the 3rd round. I figure if it went to the 4th anyway, both of them would of been spent. Chuck for swinging as much as he did, and Tito for taking the onslaught, which I will agree it was not much for Chuck standard's, but he was still getting hit more then any man would like to.

I rewatched it, and it seems right as the ref is moving in to stop it, Tito starts to get off his back, but I dont think he is getting off his back because he has the energy to do so. I think he see's the ref coming in to stop it and out of desperation, rolled his shoulder over so as to look like he was getting up. I think if they wouldnt of stopped it and had allowed him to roll over and go for a leg, it might of ended up worse. At least while he is in the fetal position he had the ability to cover. If he would of rolled it would of looked like Gracie and Hughes.

Just my opinion. Chuck is the only fighter I have let into my heart and begun to love. Its hard for me to have a favorite in UFC because of how you cant predict anything that happens. So if I see my favorite lose, I know I wont like it. If you happen to like Ortiz and saw him lose, especially the way he did, you obviously arent going to agree with the decision. I just think it was the right thing to do.

It seems like the ref's have been stopping a lot of fights that could be considered premature, but I think its because the UFC wants to garner the attention of the fans that still think the sport is brutal (or more brutal) then boxing is or any other contact sport. You see, to MMA fans, all these stoppages look premature because we have enough knowledge of the sport to understand when a person is really in a predicament that could cause themselves bodily harm, and to a new fan of the UFC, not stopping the fight after a dude gets hit solidly in the face/arms/upper body area for more then a minute straight, well that looks bad on a sport that is supposed to be doing everything in their power to prove to the haters of MMA that it is not vicious or brutal and that the sport is vastly misunderstood.

That being said, no ref should ever do the main event but Big John. I think John McCarthy is the only ref (besides Herb Dean) that lets it go until he really needs to jump in. I never question Big John..he is 2 feet away from the fighters, not me. He hears the groans, gurgle's, and muffled cries of the fighters that none of us get to hear. So thats something that I always remember going into the fight. These ref's have been calling fights for years, and years before this sport became what it is today.

The asian/italian ref is whom I think stops it prematurely often. Mario Yamasake, I think his name is. Whenever I see him officiating a match, I know unless a fighter finish's it, that I am probably not going to agree with what is going to happen.
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