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Old 01-15-2007, 06:47 PM   #81
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Just read that Ronaldo is going to be worked out of Madrid soon as well, but I would imagine that he gets a spot at one of the Milans or something before considering US, Middle East or Brazil.
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What's more important market share or profits? LA might increase their fanbase with this move but are they really going to make that much more money? How high was there payroll last season? How much money do they bring it? How much are they projected to bring in now? I really don't see this impacting the game of soccer as much as you guys do. Soccer is already pretty huge in America, atleast in my area, high school soccer generates a ton of interest. Also in my town, the biggest youth league is the soccer one (by a lot) So I don't see why you guys think adding one player is going to make that big of a deal. Sure they sold some more season tickets FOR NOW, but is that trend really going to continue? I think they would have been better off investing that 128 mil elsewhere.
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Trust me and Rob Stima, the amount of Beckham shirts that get sold is simply ridiculous, I have to mention Japan again as they're so fanatical about him over there, legions of the fuckers will be buying up shirts and any other memorabilia they can get.

Also gotta figure audience figures will go up, which should benefit the teams, as well as more sponsorships and more expensive adverts, plus Beckham is a marketing machine by himself, mens cosmetic products, sports gear etc.
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Yknow I think LA Galaxy shirts will start appearing in UK sports shops too, and they'll be bought. Each one probably costs a few quid to make a ship, and they'll probably be selling them for between £30-40, profit baby
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Also, just to reiterate, the LA Galaxy isn't paying Beckham $50 million per season. It is more like $10 million I believe.

It is a valid point though, because I believe the salary cap before this season was close to $10 million. I don't know who exactly is getting the merchandising money, or how much the Galaxy will get, because Beckham's deal seems to be so much based on that. I would say that in terms of attendance and tickets, it probably won't completely cover the cost, but I would also think that they get on TV a lot more than before, and the team gets new Asian connections, besides just selling his merchandise. Also, ESPN, for the first time ever, is paying MLS to show their games this year, so there will be increased income league wide.
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Also, Galaxy is going to add a t-shirt sponsor this year, which means that whoever sponsors them is going to be getting quite a lot of show.
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Well I think the ESPN deal was going to go through with or without Beckham. I mean I don't think using that money to get Beckham is going to hurt the game or something but I don't think it is going to have as big of an impact as people think. What was the highest contract in the MLS previous to Beckham's?
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Yeah, the ESPN deal was signed last summer. I was just pointing it out as another way that the league as a whole is going to profit this year, and the LA Galaxy is one of few MLS teams that has already become profitable.

The highest contract before Beckham's must be Adu's $500,000 per year deal, but really, I think L.A. can make it work. If he signed this contract with Kansas City, it would be different, but the Galaxy really has been the face franchise of the league, and is probably the most well off in terms of funds.
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Ronaldo would score 98 goals a season in MLS or thereabouts, even as a fat bastard.
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I am glad you brought up Adu since I was just going to mention him, remember when he was suppose to generate all this new interest and shit? Well he did before the season started, but once the season started and he barely played the interest died down a lot. I think the samething could happen with Beckham, unlike Adu I am sure he will be a starter right off the bat, but I bet people are going to think he is going to step in and completely destory the competition. From the way people are talking on here, it doesn't seem like that'll be happening.
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Adu was a mistake for the most part, he was way too overhyped and developed incorrectly
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So Beckham isn't being overhyped right now? From what I've read in here people don't think he is going to dominate the competition which is what Americans are going to expect. I think he is going to be a huge disappointment
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Trust me and Rob Stima, the amount of Beckham shirts that get sold is simply ridiculous, I have to mention Japan again as they're so fanatical about him over there, legions of the fuckers will be buying up shirts and any other memorabilia they can get.

Also gotta figure audience figures will go up, which should benefit the teams, as well as more sponsorships and more expensive adverts, plus Beckham is a marketing machine by himself, mens cosmetic products, sports gear etc.
£30 a shirt. Easy gonna sell 10 million in the first 3 months. £300 million doesn't sound too bad.
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What are the attendance figures at MLS games?

I dont' exactly see the US as a soccer hot bed. Listening to sports stations here in Vancouver they were talking about what the American radio stations were saying and guys like Jim Rome and Dan Patrick really couldn't care less. On the news hour here they talked about this but polled American's living in LA and like 1 out of 10 know who Beckham is. Not exactly a huge deal.

Obvoiusly those are specific examples and the media doesn't always cover things objectively but you'd still expect more knowledge coming from the American media.
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What's more important market share or profits? LA might increase their fanbase with this move but are they really going to make that much more money? How high was there payroll last season? How much money do they bring it? How much are they projected to bring in now? I really don't see this impacting the game of soccer as much as you guys do. Soccer is already pretty huge in America, atleast in my area, high school soccer generates a ton of interest. Also in my town, the biggest youth league is the soccer one (by a lot) So I don't see why you guys think adding one player is going to make that big of a deal. Sure they sold some more season tickets FOR NOW, but is that trend really going to continue? I think they would have been better off investing that 128 mil elsewhere.
See thats one thing I see holding soccer back in America majorly. Seems highest attendences are for college games rather than pro. That just doesn't happen anywhere with it. No side of football gets any coverage apart from the professional sides
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I am glad you brought up Adu since I was just going to mention him, remember when he was suppose to generate all this new interest and shit? Well he did before the season started, but once the season started and he barely played the interest died down a lot. I think the samething could happen with Beckham, unlike Adu I am sure he will be a starter right off the bat, but I bet people are going to think he is going to step in and completely destory the competition. From the way people are talking on here, it doesn't seem like that'll be happening.
He'll be the most talented player in the leauge I'd assume but your average American not being a big football fan won't recognise what hes doing as much as they would for a striker. He'll get a few goals from set pieces but hes all about his passing which just won't make Americans cream themselves
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So Beckham isn't being overhyped right now? From what I've read in here people don't think he is going to dominate the competition which is what Americans are going to expect. I think he is going to be a huge disappointment
In the sport of soccer, one player doesn't dominate the competition. Freddy Adu was a 13 year old who was hyped up like he was among the best in the world. He clearly wasn't, and the fact that his coach didn't like playing him made it a lost cause. Now with more creativity at Real Salt Lake, he might be able to break out a bit, but I don't think his situation is like Beckham's at all.

Beckham was among the top players in the world up until probably around 2002, and he is without competition the most famous athlete in the world. He isn't going to dribble the ball up the field and score every time he touches it, but he is without a doubt the most talented player in MLS next season, and I guarantee that every goal he scores, especially on set plays, will be hyped all over ESPN. David Beckham could go to 90% of teams in the world and still be the best player, so I doubt he is a complete flop in the MLS.
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According to some article I read during the World Cup, the MLS has like the fifth best average attendance of any league in the world. I'm not exactly sure what it would be, but I would guess between 15-20,000.

As for college soccer, it really is not popular at all in the U.S. It is basically just the stepping stone for players to reach the MLS, but I don't think anybody cares about it. The biggest complaint with college soccer is that it is a much worse form of development than having youth academys, etc.

Also, I never think Jim Rome has represented the mainstream views of Americans. Just look at ESPN.com, the Beckham signing has made a new headline every day. Obviously people are interested in it.

Overall, I just think people are overreacting to the 250 million figure. Yes, it is an incredible amount of money, but that is not what the MLS is paying him. He will be earning close to 10 million for soccer alone, 40 million from independent endorsements. I think it was a mistake for them to announce that figure, because it takes credibility away from the league. I would be incredibly shocked if his signing puts them in the red this season.

Also, the whole comparison to the NASL is just uninformed. I have read so many places that the NASL tried to do the same thing and it backfired. That league didn't fail because it wasn't attracting fans, the games were averaging as much as NFL games. It didn't work because they got too many good players too quickly, and they didn't have a proper financial plan. If the MLS can continue to grow slowly as a cult sport with good, but modest crowds, it will continue to succeed. Signing Beckham isn't supposed to put the league on par with the NBA, it is just supposed to be the next step.
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Just noticed that as of right now, Beckham won't join the Galaxy until August. That kind of takes the wind out of the sails.
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On the flip side, the beginning of an MLS season is dull. If he starts in August, there won't be much going on other than baseball, and the hype will start just before the playoffs, which is where MLS actually puts on a decent product.
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Football is a winter game everywhere but the states really, and thats probably because the NFL and NBA already have the winter tied up there.

He'll not officially finish at Real til May most likely, if he went straight into the MLS he'd burn out, gotta have that time to recoup
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They'll make money from fans because everyone loves Beckham. Now he and Snoop Dogg can be friends again. Well maybe, depending on what Mrs. Spice Girl Beckham says. Whipped much?

Seriously though Beckham's talent lies in making plays from dead ball situations. That's why he's so good and hasn't have much sucess in Italy, it's too fast paced their. American Soccer however is well... yeah.
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Yeah I agree, Beckham is one of the best there is, makes sense he would be paid that much. Funny spice girls joke
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It looks like the Beckham's and the Cruise's are going to be good friends, at least that's what the tabloids keep showing.
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According to some article I read during the World Cup, the MLS has like the fifth best average attendance of any league in the world. I'm not exactly sure what it would be, but I would guess between 15-20,000.

Overall, I just think people are overreacting to the 250 million figure. Yes, it is an incredible amount of money, but that is not what the MLS is paying him. He will be earning close to 10 million for soccer alone, 40 million from independent endorsements. I think it was a mistake for them to announce that figure, because it takes credibility away from the league. I would be incredibly shocked if his signing puts them in the red this season.
No way the MLS has the 5th best attendence in the world, possibly if you were counting all professional levels in leauges for the average ( as I believe the MLS only has 1 or 2? ) but if your considering top flight football then no chance.

The $250 million isn't really being hugely overstated as its the club signing over image rights that they should be realistically getting.
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I just looked it up, on average MLS has 15,000 per game in 2006, good for 12th in the world on average. I swear the newspaper I read said it was top 10, but I never figured that was right. These are some figures from Wikipedia, all football leagues with attendance over 10,000:

Bundesliga: 40,775
Premiership: 33,875
La Liga: 29,029
Serie A: 21,968
Ligue 1: 21,576
J League 1: 18,292
Football League Championship: 17,616
Premier Division Argentina: 17,363
Turkish Premier Super League: 16,799
Eredivisie: 16,789
SPL: 16,174
MLS: 15,504
Bundesliga 2: 13,124
Campeonato Brasiliero Serie A: 12,385
Russian Premier League: 11,792
A-League: 11,627
K-Leauge: 11,258
Chinese Super League: 10,600
Portuguese Liga: 10,600
Jupiler League: 10,293

And it goes on.
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I'm surprised the Bundesliga is top actually, fair played to the old Krauts
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Yeah, as was I. For some reason, if not the Premiership I would have thought La Liga.
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So, I'm talking to a guy at a bar last night and he tells me he's Welsh, and he not a Beckham fan, I know nothing of Beckham, but asked him to explain why he's not a fan.

He said he gets his credit more for his looks then his play, he stand in the corner, waits for the ball, doesn't chace and doesn't play defense. The only positive thing he said was Beckham is the best penalty kicker ever.

So, how is Beckham? over-hyped or not?
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Seriously though Beckham's talent lies in making plays from dead ball situations. That's why he's so good and hasn't have much sucess in Italy, it's too fast paced their. American Soccer however is well... yeah.
1) He's never played in Italy

2) Italy is like the slowest professional league on earth (when the fans aren't rioting)
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He said he gets his credit more for his looks then his play, he stand in the corner, waits for the ball, doesn't chace and doesn't play defense. The only positive thing he said was Beckham is the best penalty kicker ever.

So, how is Beckham? over-hyped or not?
Either he told you some wrong things (Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish don't like England) or else you repeated them a bit off on the board.

I wouldn't say he sits in the corner waiting for the ball. He was well known for being one of the most fit players in the world, and was clocked at running like 12k per game, on average. As for defense, he probably isn't the best defender. And the penalty kicker, you probably meant to say free kicker. I don't know if I would call him the world's best, but he is easily one of the best.

I don't think he is overhyped in terms of coming to MLS, because he is a huge icon and he will probably be the most talented player in the league. If you are expecting him to get a pass, take on three defenders and then score a goal, you will be disappointed, but if you just want to see a class player and possibly witness one of his free kicks, he is probably worth the price of admission.

I will also say, there are some MLS teams that do have really good atmospheres. Teams like Chivas USA, Galaxy, I think Houston. Basically, most of the teams that have a soccer stadium. So I think that if more people go to these games and have a good time, which I think is likely, that will affect them coming back more than seeing Beckham dominate. So I think that his presence will have a sharp spike initially, but the long term effect will just be a slightly larger audience base.
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Beckham's work rate is exceptional. He chases everything. His real talent throughout his career has been his fitness and willingness to work, as well as his crossing and set-piece delivery.

He's not a particularly good penalty taker either.
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Well, as shitty as it was for Beckham to be out, I can't help but think that something bad will happen to Beckham now that he is back. Some dick Spaniard will break his leg or something.
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250 million...

I don't resent Beckham for having that kind of money, he's not a bad person, but I always wonder, what the fuck is he going to do with the money. He owns his own 'palace' and has so many sportscars its unreal.

Him as a player? Not bad at all, needless to say I don't think he could ever be considered the 'best' and there are much better players to buy (for possibly less) but then again, considering how willing he is, its not a bad investment.
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Well, it's not like $250 million over five years is going to make him the richest man in the world. First of all, he will have to pay about $100 million of that in taxes, but second, just to put it in perspective, $250 million would not even buy a sports team in the U.S. NFL teams go for like $600 mil, so that is what people with that much money do, lol.

Honestly, I know it won't happen, but it would be really cool if Beckham played really well for Madrid and Galaxy and somehow got recalled for Euro 2008. I know it will never happen, but just saying, just john.
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Honestly, I know it won't happen, but it would be really cool if Beckham played really well for Madrid and Galaxy and somehow got recalled for Euro 2008. I know it will never happen, but just saying, just john.
To be honest, it comes down to how England perform in the qualifiers. If they have a few more dodgy results (like away at Israel next), I could see Beckham being recalled to the squad. Probably not back in the team though.
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I heard Beckman is opting out of his Galaxy contract
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I heard Beckman is opting out of his Galaxy contract
Real Madrid (his current team) want to buy out his contract because they've finally realized they fucked up by messing his contract around and allowing it to run out. Beckham has said it's not gonna happen though. I'd have thought he'd spend at least a season out there before making any kind of move.
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