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Old 02-12-2007, 11:07 PM   #81
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Nah, I am just gonna bring up some random mix of horrible teams instead
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Marty Schottenheimer was just fired

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552
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Old 02-13-2007, 01:27 AM   #83
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Drew Brees is the only QB that matters..
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Old 02-13-2007, 01:28 AM   #84
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Marty Schottenheimer was just fired

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552
Stupidest shit ever..
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Oh and to answer Supreme's question, Jeff Garcia prolly should have been there over Romo..
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Marty Schottenheimer was just fired

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763552
He gets canned yet Millen gets to keep his job
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Its good SD waited to fire him after their offensive coordinator took another job
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Pete Carroll probably thought the sanction would come down on USC so he called AJ smith and let him know he was still interested.
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Alright Krispy, besides Drew Brees, name one NFC QB who would've made the Pro Bowl over Manning, Palmer, Brady, and Rivers.

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Oh and to answer Supreme's question, Jeff Garcia prolly should have been there over Romo..
Huh? or was there another question I missed?

Had he stayed healthy and on pace, McNabb would/could have made it over Palmer, Brady, Rivers.

But, he didn't... so it goes under "If grandma had a set of balls she's be grandpa".

In the 80's the balance of power was the NFC, they had good running games and great defenses. They played smash mouth football and won super bowl after superbowl.

The last decade, it's been the AFC, a big reason is if you look at the coach's they're all NFC product of that smash mouth era, while the NFC started producing teams like St Louis aka "the greatest show on turf".
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giants release Petitgout, Carlos Emmons, LaVar Arrington

WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO

freein up mad cap space and getting rid of the most penalized lineman in NFL history, a crappy linebacker, and a dude who gets injured every year
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Holy fuck. On the day Tiki Barber retires, the Giants released Carlos Emmons, Luke Petitgout, and LaVar Arrington.

The only one I agree with is Emmons. No idea WTF Reese it thinking with the other moves
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Old 02-13-2007, 03:02 PM   #92
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In the 80's the balance of power was the NFC, they had good running games and great defenses. They played smash mouth football and won super bowl after superbowl.

The last decade, it's been the AFC, a big reason is if you look at the coach's they're all NFC product of that smash mouth era, while the NFC started producing teams like St Louis aka "the greatest show on turf".
I said something similar in another thread..

Including this year, the AFC has only won like 8 outta the past 25 SuperBowls..

NFC will be back, one day..
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And about Marty. I heard about it at like 11 ish but was too sleepy to get up and post it on here...Wonder whos gonna pick him up.
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And about Marty. I heard about it at like 11 ish but was too sleepy to get up and post it on here...Wonder whos gonna pick him up.
There was a Miami rumor.

But you also wonder at what point a coach who always gets so close, with teams who on paper have been picked to win, but can't seem to get over the hump.
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ok, I heard this a few weeks back, but didn't really pay attention.

How the heck is Andre Tippett not in the hall of fame? The only outside LB of that era better then him was Taylor, and Taylors stats per game weren't much better, plus Taylor played on a much better defense most of his career (much better teams also) then Tippett and Andre still put up great numbers...

I admit at times to be blinded by knowing more about the local teams then other teams, but I just don't see how Tippett doesn't deserve to be in the HOF.
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Seems like a Tony Dungy story. He lost in the playoffs a lot but finally won. I dont care how many playoff games you lose. 14-2????? I wish the Falcons would have waited...But this would cause Vick to have to use a different strategy...again.
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Giants continue their cutting spree, releasing Chad Morton

Meh, no objections there.

Apparently LaVar is leaning towards retirement rather than signing elsewhere
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Seems like a Tony Dungy story. He lost in the playoffs a lot but finally won. I dont care how many playoff games you lose. 14-2????? I wish the Falcons would have waited...But this would cause Vick to have to use a different strategy...again.
I'd take Dungy over Marty any day.

Dungy is 9-8 in the playoffs, with a superbowl apperance and win and has been with two teams.

Marty is 5-13 and has coach'd 3 teams (yeah, it's really 4, but I'm not counting the 1yr in washington).

Marty's last 4 playoff losses were upsets in the first game.

2006 - 14-2 lost to the Pats
2004 - 12-4 lost to the Jets
1997 - 13-3 lost to Denver
1995 - 13-3 lost to Indy

I'm not saying he's a bad coach, but history has shown he can't coach in the playoffs, for whatever reason.

Who knows, maybe he goes to Miami and wins it all, I doubt it.

I think he goes away or goes to TV for a few years... maybe we see him back, maybe a top team that has injuries, so the next season they have a top pick and the star players coming back from injury... it would have to be somewhere he could win fast, not a rebuild.

But who knows, there's a rumor starting that Parcells could end up in SD. Good team, (defense, running game, qb) young team, great weather, good golf... I think it's a natural fit... but who knows.
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The one thing I notice about Schottenheimer is that he always seems to take over a pretty good team that was bogged down by bad coaches or unmotivated players and turns them into a better team but not a great team. He inherited some pretty good defenses in Cleveland and Kansas City and he was able to hone the skills of Drew Brees to make him a terrific QB.

It seems that Schottenheimer has been haunted by Earnest Byner's fumble more than anybody.
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He really sucks in the playoffs. I said Tony Dungy story but Tony Dungy only lost in the AFC Championship and Divisional Games. But now he wins the Super Bowl. Marty Should just put that behind him. Go to another team. And in 2 years they could have a super bowl.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2763247

Short version, Barber takes shots at Coughlin for being to demanding physically.

Which has been a complaints players have always had about coughlin going back to jacksonville.
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I like the moves the Giants made. Emmons is injury plagued and just past his prime. Petitgout is easily replaceable. The guy gets too many dumb penalties and our offensive line still played great without him. LaVar, so I hear, doesn't really make an effort to rehab as well as he should. Chad Morton just plain sucks. Hopefully we're making moves to get to the next level.
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I'm calling it now, Lance Briggs to the BILLS

If he doesn't get tagged (Which Chicago has hinted at as they don't have enough to pay him the 7.2 mill franchise tag) and the Bills are in the hunt for a bigger linebacker core to stop the run. Briggs Plays in a Cover 2, just like the Bills run (bills DC Perry Fewell came over from the Bears last year, so they familiar) and bills Coach Dick Jauron drafted Briggs. Briggs has recently stated if he can play for any coach, it would be Jauron.

Its a good fit, the bills are 30 mill under the cap, and I think its a high possibility.

Bills are also going to look at Dielman from SD and Steinbach from Cincy to upgrade their line.

Ron Jaworski called it right, the bills will be the Suprise team of 2007. They may not win 12, but they are going to be in the Hunt, much more than people expect.

This year, the Bills were literally 3 or four plays from the playoffs. If Lindell makes a FG he missed against the Colts, the bills win. If they make a 4th and 1 against the Pats, they win. If they stop one run, they beat SD, and they would have been 10-6 and they had the tiebreakers over the whole AFC.

Not to mention had they not blown the pooch against the Titans and lions. They were a much better team than people give them credit for, they really took the tops teams to the end. They were too young this year, one of the youngest. That is what I attribute their losses to. A year of experience under their belt, and their 2nd year under their coaches will take them a long way. I could the the Bills and Jets fighting it out for a Wild card spot at least.
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Briggs got tagged today

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Patriots tagged Samuel today too, but I got a feeling he is going to hold out..
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I'm calling it now, Lance Briggs to the BILLS

If he doesn't get tagged (Which Chicago has hinted at as they don't have enough to pay him the 7.2 mill franchise tag) and the Bills are in the hunt for a bigger linebacker core to stop the run. Briggs Plays in a Cover 2, just like the Bills run (bills DC Perry Fewell came over from the Bears last year, so they familiar) and bills Coach Dick Jauron drafted Briggs. Briggs has recently stated if he can play for any coach, it would be Jauron.

Its a good fit, the bills are 30 mill under the cap, and I think its a high possibility.

Bills are also going to look at Dielman from SD and Steinbach from Cincy to upgrade their line.

Ron Jaworski called it right, the bills will be the Suprise team of 2007. They may not win 12, but they are going to be in the Hunt, much more than people expect.

This year, the Bills were literally 3 or four plays from the playoffs. If Lindell makes a FG he missed against the Colts, the bills win. If they make a 4th and 1 against the Pats, they win. If they stop one run, they beat SD, and they would have been 10-6 and they had the tiebreakers over the whole AFC.

Not to mention had they not blown the pooch against the Titans and lions. They were a much better team than people give them credit for, they really took the tops teams to the end. They were too young this year, one of the youngest. That is what I attribute their losses to. A year of experience under their belt, and their 2nd year under their coaches will take them a long way. I could the the Bills and Jets fighting it out for a Wild card spot at least.
yeah i love how you make the case that a couple plays would put the bills into the playoffs. because every single team ever can make that same case.

yeah if mathias kiwanuka had held on to vince young for one more second the giants would be 9-7. if Troy Vincent hadn't slipped through the cowboys line then they'd have another win too. if Tony Romo could put the ball on the ground they'd be in the divisional playoffs. if that guy on tennessee does what every kicker for the past 4328 years has done and missed a 62 yard field goal, the colts have home field advantage in the playoffs.

and i hope you realize that there are very few players who will go to a team for anything besides money. almost every single player will go to the team who offers him the most money, no matter what. Lance Briggs is no different.
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Patriots tagged Samuel today too, but I got a feeling he is going to hold out..
They have 5 months to work out a deal, I'm not sure if he'll hold out.

If he plays, he gets over 7mil, the downside is it's a 1yr deal, so if he has a bad year he's screwed and that being said, NFL contracts are rarely every gauranteed, but he would get a nice singing bonus.

I wouldn't be suprised to see him delt, if anyone team signs him it's 2 first round picks, I could see that pats dealing him for a 1st to someone, Remember they franchised Tebucky Jones and then delt him for a 2nd and 4th.

I'm suprised they didn't franchie Graham, because the pats usually use the tag for lower priced positions (Kicker & Saftey) and on avg. TE's don't make that much.
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After seeing the Patriots draft 2 tightends in the draft last year I figured Graham was on his way out this offseason...Especially since David Thomas has shown he can be a good TE in the NFL (and he can actually catch the ball with some consistancy too)
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Yea 5 months is a good long time to discuss contracts. I hear so many rumors. I hear Dre Bly wants to get traded. If so Atlanta gives Schaub and Gets Bly and 3rd or 2nd. And I hear Vicks gonna go to the Raiders. And Moss could come tov Atlanta. I think ATL should trade Schaub and 1st rounder for Moss....1st or 2nd rounder. I bet if Vick request Moss Petrino will get Moss. They can both take paycuts if they care about the game that much.
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That's way too much for Moss. He MIGHT get a 2nd round pick back for the Raiders, and even that's iffy.
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I think if he cared about the game that much and wanted to actually win he would take a pay cut. Seems like his only in it for the $$$$. I think the Falcons dont need Moss if they could draft a good reciever with there #1 pick. They can get lineman off the Free Agents list and in later rounds. I forgot his name but hes a WR from USC. I think he'd fit in perfectly.
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yeah i love how you make the case that a couple plays would put the bills into the playoffs. because every single team ever can make that same case.

yeah if mathias kiwanuka had held on to vince young for one more second the giants would be 9-7. if Troy Vincent hadn't slipped through the cowboys line then they'd have another win too. if Tony Romo could put the ball on the ground they'd be in the divisional playoffs. if that guy on tennessee does what every kicker for the past 4328 years has done and missed a 62 yard field goal, the colts have home field advantage in the playoffs.

and i hope you realize that there are very few players who will go to a team for anything besides money. almost every single player will go to the team who offers him the most money, no matter what. Lance Briggs is no different.

That is why half the patriots roster takes pay cuts to stick with the team? And older players sign on the cheap to play for a contender, and basically every team has a guy or two that love that team and city and stay wven though they could make a bit more?

And yeah, any team can say that. My point is the difference between Dallas/Giants/Bills and the playoffs are just a few plays, and that they are much better and competitive that a record says. The Bills nearly beat the best teams in the league, they arent just some 7-9 scrub team. So thank you for helping me make my point.

















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I'm sure people that really care about the game would take a paycut even if it was a large margin. Now they should definately take paycuts if its only by the 10 thousands
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I think if he cared about the game that much and wanted to actually win he would take a pay cut. Seems like his only in it for the $$$$. I think the Falcons dont need Moss if they could draft a good reciever with there #1 pick. They can get lineman off the Free Agents list and in later rounds. I forgot his name but hes a WR from USC. I think he'd fit in perfectly.
You're thinking of Dwayne Jarrett...dude is a beast but who knows what'll happen in the NFL. Wide out is a tough position to project..a lot of the good big name NFL wide recievers now weren't even big time players coming out of college.
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