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Old 03-22-2007, 11:59 AM   #1
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kinda lazy so I'm just gonna run through the points.

Makes perfect sense, doesn't touch Benoits, credibility, what makes your marking out more important than the kids and other marks WWE is catering too with this?, and you are complaining because of who the wrestlers are
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Old 03-22-2007, 12:12 PM   #2
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kinda lazy so I'm just gonna run through the points.

Makes perfect sense, doesn't touch Benoits, credibility, what makes your marking out more important than the kids and other marks WWE is catering too with this?, and you are complaining because of who the wrestlers are
I'm not saying that the group of fans that would have a problem with this (I'm not putting them on the "mark", "smark", or "smart" side, because there are people from supposedly all three among this group and on the other side, I guess.) are more important than the other "marks/kids", but if there's something that would've left a better taste in both sides' mouth, why would you not use it?
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Old 03-22-2007, 12:17 PM   #4
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well I wasn't talking to you, but fine. The entire reason they were doing it was to make not only Cena look strong but that move. You don't make Cena and his submission look strong by pinning the US champ. They did what they did for a reason man.


I just think this entire debate should die. Some people are upset because they personally don't like the match outcome and Cena, I fall into that category. But to fault the logic, the booking and the pound for pound nature of what happened is unfair.
A handful of people seem to get it, another handful are letting their opinions and personal preferences influence their standpoint on the issue and it sounds pretty markish at times. That's fine I just think this should die.
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well I wasn't talking to you, but fine. The entire reason they were doing it was to make not only Cena look strong but that move. You don't make Cena and his submission look strong by pinning the US champ. They did what they did for a reason man.


I just think this entire debate should die. Some people are upset because they personally don't like the match outcome and Cena, I fall into that category. But to fault the logic, the booking and the pound for pound nature of what happened is unfair.
A handful of people seem to get it, another handful are letting their opinions and personal preferences influence their standpoint on the issue and it sounds pretty markish at times. That's fine I just think this should die.
You don't make it look weak by doing that either. There are plenty of other ways they could build up that move, and I'm starting to wonder why that move is even so necessary anyway. And while I will continue to say that I'm not a fan of Benoit, talking about "pinning the US Champ" in that light is absurd, when they try to put Benoit over as a "former World Champion". It's not like he was Orlando Jordan.

I mean, by the "they did what they did for a reason man" logic, there should be no debates about anything, ever.
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Very probably, we've pretty much gotten to the point where everyone is just repeating their arguments.
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Very probably, we've pretty much gotten to the point where everyone is just repeating their arguments.
I won't really argue that, as most points on both sides were made like three to five posts in.
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Thats not true either. Theres the questioning of logic, or the debate over whether it was there or not, or what should have been done. And theres the debates over the past, the future and so many things.

I just think this particulary debate is pointless, or at least has gotten carried away. I think it has taken off and personal opinion has stood in the way of fact, and the whole thing is blown out or proportion.
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Thats not true either. Theres the questioning of logic, or the debate over whether it was there or not, or what should have been done. And theres the debates over the past, the future and so many things.

I just think this particulary debate is pointless, or at least has gotten carried away. I think it has taken off and personal opinion has stood in the way of fact, and the whole thing is blown out or proportion.
Yeah, but everything that's ever been done has been done for a reason.
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Thats not true either. Theres the questioning of logic
Which you can immediately cop out of by "it was done for a reason, man."
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Not a good one. Or a pretty simple to understand one.
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Not a good one. Or a pretty simple to understand one.
All opinion, there.
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not really
Yes, really. Whether something is a "good" reason or a "bad" reason, or even an "understandable" reason is not factual. You can make cases using facts, but that doesn't make said cases fact. Some people may not agree with the reasoning in this case. Others may think that something you think was a bad decision happened for a perfectly good reason. Opinion.

If you want facts with no opinions, go to the newsboard (though granted, you'll also get ridiculous ads there ).
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You say everything that has ever been done has been done for a reason?
Somewhat true.

I say, not always a good reason, or a simple to understand one?

I'd say that's a fact.

are you trying to say the holocaust was done for a good, understandable reason?


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You say everything that has ever been done has been done for a reason?
Somewhat true.

I say, not always a good reason, or a simple to understand one?

I'd say that's a fact.

are you trying to say the holocaust was done for a good, understandable reason?


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In Mr. Hitler's opinion, it was a good reason. I'm sure you could find more sick bastards that think it was done for a good and simple reason too. Does that make them right? No, but not by fact.
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Its called perpetuating them, which happens in every thread as long as theres people who disagree still.

But yea, this thread fuckin sucks. Let it rest til you all come up with the sequel on April 1st. Thats when MVP pins Benoit for the US championship, cleanly.
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Its called perpetuating them, which happens in every thread as long as theres people who disagree still.

But yea, this thread fuckin sucks. Let it rest til you all come up with the sequel on April 1st. Thats when MVP pins Benoit for the US championship, cleanly.
But damn it, I'm not gonna give a damn about that one.
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I'm actually against Benoit tapping.

I'm all in favor of making Cena look strong, but Benoit shouldn't tap in like a 5 mintue match on Raw.

Benoit should tap after a 25 mintue match on a PPV.
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So wait, when Benoit was World Champion he shouldn't have been going around cleanly making people like HBK, HHH, Kane, and Orton tap out?
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Of course he should, he's Chris Benoit and we love him. He's different. (Because we're Benoit marks.)
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Of course he should, he's Chris Benoit and we love him. He's different. (Because we're Benoit marks.)
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