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Old 04-29-2007, 10:11 PM   #1
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I just don't like MVP and even if he puts in a decent match with a great opponent, it's not enough to convince me otherwise that he's suddenly something special or entertaining. He's cheesy and bland as all hell, and even what he's done as of late has been blown up into the most overrated shit. Suddenly there's an MVP bandwagon and everything he does is getting over hyped and everyones jumping on. Then it gets to the point where he is awesome and can do no wrong so smarks eat it all up. It's pretty typical
I think the reason the MVP love has been so great as of late, is because people didn't expect it. For people who have seen his DSW or house show work, the guy has proven himself to have levels of awesomeness. I wouldn't say he's the best ever, or anything, but he's got a great build, great skill for said build, and he's got so many cool moves up his sleeve, the guy could make every match like sex if the WWE let him.

Unfortunately, when he came into the WWE his debut was against Marty Garner (most famous for taking Triple H's Pedigree as an inadvertent double underhook piledriver). Then he feuded with Kane. Now I love Kane, but he's not exactly the world's most brilliant technician. Putting MVP into a feud with him isn't going to show the world what Antonio Banks is capable of.

He's not perfect in any area, yet. When he goes twenty minutes or so, his matches have a lot of stalling. He has to get that down before he can truly be the great performer he is shaping up to be. His promos could also use a little more zest. They aren't horrible, but they aren't brilliant. He's got potential in that area, though, so given time, he could perfect that area.

All in all, like him or not, looking at things unbiased, you have to admit MVP is at least a B+ level talent, with potential to climb. For a guy that has had like two feuds since coming to the WWE, that is pretty impressive shit. We're not just talking about a Paul London or Brian Kendrick, who have enormous amounts of talent, could do what any main eventer does just as well, but won't ever get the chance; MVP actually has a shot at being a top guy. In a sea of Bobby Lashleys and John Cenas, a Montel Vontavious Porter is a welcome change.
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I think the reason the MVP love has been so great as of late, is because people didn't expect it. For people who have seen his DSW or house show work, the guy has proven himself to have levels of awesomeness. I wouldn't say he's the best ever, or anything, but he's got a great build, great skill for said build, and he's got so many cool moves up his sleeve, the guy could make every match like sex if the WWE let him.

Unfortunately, when he came into the WWE his debut was against Marty Garner (most famous for taking Triple H's Pedigree as an inadvertent double underhook piledriver). Then he feuded with Kane. Now I love Kane, but he's not exactly the world's most brilliant technician. Putting MVP into a feud with him isn't going to show the world what Antonio Banks is capable of.

He's not perfect in any area, yet. When he goes twenty minutes or so, his matches have a lot of stalling. He has to get that down before he can truly be the great performer he is shaping up to be. His promos could also use a little more zest. They aren't horrible, but they aren't brilliant. He's got potential in that area, though, so given time, he could perfect that area.

All in all, like him or not, looking at things unbiased, you have to admit MVP is at least a B+ level talent, with potential to climb. For a guy that has had like two feuds since coming to the WWE, that is pretty impressive shit. We're not just talking about a Paul London or Brian Kendrick, who have enormous amounts of talent, could do what any main eventer does just as well, but won't ever get the chance; MVP actually has a shot at being a top guy. In a sea of Bobby Lashleys and John Cenas, a Montel Vontavious Porter is a welcome change.
YOu give him more than I would, but very fair asestment.
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Um, MVP has been doing his fair share of the work. At risk of sounding blasphemous, one could argue that MVP has crossed the 50% line and is actually carrying most of the matches.
One could argue that, at the risk of sounding retarded.
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One could argue that, at the risk of sounding retarded.
From where I sit, the only thing Benoit has brought to the table in his program with MVP, is that he goes along with the matches, understands what the point of MVP's psychology is, and he co-operates. Benoit certainly hasn't been sleeping through the matches, but an idiot can see that they are designed to be vehicles for MVP to strut his stuff, and strut it well he has.
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LOL, anti-bandwagon jumper?

The only thing Benoit has brought to the table in his program with MVP, is that he goes along with the matches, understands what the point of MVP's psychology is, and he co-operates. Benoit certainly hasn't been sleeping through the matches, but an idiot can see that they are designed to be vehicles for MVP to strut his stuff, and strut it well he has.
ROFL. Anti-wagon jumper becuase what? YOu all are acting like MVP has done something do deserve merit? So, in a way I guess yo're right. Either way you're either on the bandwagon or you're not. And I am not.

You see my point though. They are vehicles for MVP to good, to look like a star, somehting that he is not. They are creating a star, but just like Cena, Lashey, and others are not true stars, they're forced. They're fake. And that's the same path MVP is wlaking. The path of yet another wrestler that just inst what is advertised.

Benoit has made him look good. (And believe it or not, good wrestlers can do that.) MVP will come out of this shinning, becaused that how propoganda works, to push an idea onto your sheep, in this case, that MVP is a tlented athlete.
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I've predicted all the winners, but I've only got two "How"s right, and I haven't called the move correctly in the one I did. Ah well, still picking up a few points here and there.
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Handicap match now. Can't really see Lashley loosing, its hard to make anyone look like a threat to Lashley.
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I love Shane O'Mac. He could win the ECW title it would be great. They should bring back the Mean Street Posse too - those guys were hillarious.

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I think MVP has a fine gimmick, he's just not that great from bell to bell. Watching the match at Mania was painful. Benoit was working REAL hard, and MVP was barely keeping up, even to the point of Benoit having to slow down to not loose him.

ANd then I come on here. Everyone is praising MVP. Why? Benoit BUSTED HIS ASS to make him look decent. And you all praise MVP? Crazy.
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:10 PM   #17
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I guess it goes to show you how good Benoit is...
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He needs to drop the T.O meets Power Ranger gimmick too
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I will say however, Rocky Maivia and The Ringmaster were floundering and boring to watch at one point. He just needs a change. Decent matches are better than crappy matches. The importance in all this lies in his character, his overall performance and his ability to entertain. At the moment, he just needs to become more entertaining and not as low rent. His current caliber of matches would be fine, since 5 stars doesn't put the asses in seats as much as entertainment paired with decent work does.
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Hahahaha! I love the way Vince seems to actually have his heart (if not his mind) in the right place for his feuds, then he sticks around a little bit more than he needs to, and then he does shit like this which just fucks everything up.

The only way this will be anywhere near decent, is if Elijah Burke or CM Punk is presented with the belt by Vince McMahon on ECW this week.
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As long as this advance his fued with Lashley, puts big heel heat on him and it actually does somethin for ECW I'm happy.

Perhaps a tournament to crow a new champion...while moving Lashley off of ECW to further his fued with McMahon...
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As long as this advance his fued with Lashley, puts big heel heat on him and it actually does somethin for ECW I'm happy.

Perhaps a tournament to crow a new champion...while moving Lashley off of ECW to further his fued with McMahon...
That actually isn't a bad idea. Bobby Lashley really hasn't been a part of ECW. There is no real compelling reason to keep him there.

CM Punk, Elijah Burke, Kevin Thorn, Marcus Cor Von, Matt Striker, Rob Van Dam, Sabu, Tommy Dreamer, The Sandman and Snitsky should all be a part of the tournament. That's 10 guys, which is kind of messy. Maybe some kind of theme where they get everyone in ECW, put them into a competition, where once you are pinned or submit, you are out of contention. At the end of the competition, there will only be one name left, and he will be ECW World Champion.

So yeah, kind of like a tournament, only with no formal structure.
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:26 PM   #33
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:26 PM   #34
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:28 PM   #35
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Hahaha. Vince and Shane with the ECW Originals is excellent.
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:31 PM   #36
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Hahaha. Vince and Shane with the ECW Originals is excellent.

I can see a good feud developing there, would be great to see one of the originals beat Vince, good story there.
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:41 PM   #37
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I can see a good feud developing there, would be great to see one of the originals beat Vince, good story there.
I think it's got real good potential. They've got the New Breed kind of mixed with the Corperation running ECW at the moment - have that build up to the Originals regaining control of ECW. People love that stuff.

Vince always surprises me, just as you think people aren't going to boo him anymore he always finds a new way for people to hate him.
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:30 PM   #38
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:34 PM   #39
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I would mark the fuck out for Vince vs. RVD in an Extreme Rules Match, where the Originals just beat the shit out of Vince, and RVD then gets the pin and wins back the belt.

If Vince was willing to get his ass kicked good by the them, and The Undertaker was willing to stop being a pussy bitch because he doesn't like The Sandman, it would get RVD, Sabu, Tommy Dreamer and The Sandman over as legitimate WWE Superstars (moreso).
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