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Old 09-16-2007, 08:23 PM   #1
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:25 PM   #2
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:53 PM   #3
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Oh, right on...I was thinking there was no way they raised prices again. I remember back when In Your House was only 15 bucks. 2 hours, but 15 bucks.
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:58 PM   #4
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I try to find the answer for you Thrilla about Hogan but wiki mumbles and I can't figure it out.
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Old 09-17-2007, 03:35 AM   #5
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lol i thought hhh would've been at least 3rd
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Old 09-17-2007, 08:06 AM   #6
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God I hope Cena's not in line for a 7+ year Sammartino reign

Otherwise I'll just consider IC champ to be the champion of the company since the WWE Title is frozen
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Old 09-17-2007, 08:58 AM   #7
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I think the reason Cena is still champion is because WWE have no idea what else to do with him. He only works as a champion, and if not that then title challenger.

The WWE have failed to build decent heel main eventers with the exception of Edge and Randy Orton.

They do have a hell of a lot of upper mid carders, but none of them have been given the right program to move up to the main event.

The fact that Cena had two feuds with babyfaces this year should show how lacking Raw is in main event heels.
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:44 PM   #8
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I just updated that list. Cena has surpassed Bret Hart.
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I could surpsass BRet Hart. Among other things, I can take a shot to the head without dying.
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I would like to test this, if you don't mind.
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That was neither funny nor pertinent. Shame on you, Kane Knight.
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Old 09-17-2007, 05:52 PM   #12
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I will go out on a limb here and say, that Triple H's reign of terror was far better than Cena's. For two reasons; 1) He lost the title more often. Cena has had the title, what, once in the last two years or so? He's only been without the belt three months or so of the past two years. Triple H lost it more often, and then would regain it which at least left a little unpredictability in the matches and storylines. 2) The crowd began to resent Triple H, but NOWHERE near the mass resentment that Cena has gotten. I would venture to guess that Cena is one of, if not the most hated champions of all time.
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Old 09-17-2007, 06:39 PM   #13
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I will go out on a limb here and say, that Triple H's reign of terror was far better than Cena's. For two reasons; 1) He lost the title more often. Cena has had the title, what, once in the last two years or so? He's only been without the belt three months or so of the past two years. Triple H lost it more often, and then would regain it which at least left a little unpredictability in the matches and storylines. 2) The crowd began to resent Triple H, but NOWHERE near the mass resentment that Cena has gotten. I would venture to guess that Cena is one of, if not the most hated champions of all time.
Cena is a face. The resentment shows more.

Triple H was a heel. The argument was "He's SUPPOSED to get booed, dumbass! He's SUPPOSED to tank the ratings."

And to be honest, the IWC is so fucking retarded that if John Cena were to insult the IWC, 80% of the wankers on here would fawn over Cena the way they fawn over Trips.
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:49 PM   #14
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Cena is a face. The resentment shows more.
Good point, very true. But at the same time, a heel should be resented at least a little bit. A babyface superhero shouldn't bear hardly any resentment.
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Old 09-17-2007, 06:04 PM   #15
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cena > bret ?discuss
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cena > bret ?discuss

Nothing to discuss, the answer is a simple no.

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World Titles.


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Rank ↓ Wrestler ↓ Total ↓ AWA ↓ ECW ↓ NWA ↓ TNA ↓ WCW ↓ WWE ↓ World (WWE) ↓ Days Held ↓
1. Verne Gagne 10 10 4,690
2. Bruno Sammartino 2 2 4,040
3. Lou Thesz 3 3 3,749
4. Ric Flair 16 7 7 2 3,500
5. Hulk Hogan 12 6 6 3,362
6. Nick Bockwinkel 4 4 2,990
7. Bob Backlund 2 2 2,138
8. Harley Race 8 8 1,801
9. Dory Funk, Jr. 1 1 1,563
10. Pat O'Connor 2 1 1 1,488
11. Gene Kiniski 2 1 1 1,159
12. Jeff Jarrett 10 6 4 1,063
13. Pedro Morales 1 1 1,027
14. Triple H 10 5 5 875
15. Jack Brisco 2 2 867
16. John Cena (WWE) 3 3 777+
17. Maurice Vachon 5 5 775
18. Orville Brown 1 1 692
19. Bret Hart 7 2 5 679
20. Larry Zbyszko 2 2 616
21. Rick Martel 1 1 595
22. Buddy Rogers 2 1 1 592
23. Randy Savage 6 4 2 573
24. Steve Austin 6 6 529
25. Kurt Angle (TNA)7 1 1 4 1 476+
26. Sting 8 2 6 466
27. Kevin Nash 6 5 1 456
28. Terry Funk 1 1 424
29. Shawn Michaels 4 3 1 424
30. Dick Hutton 1 1 421
31. Batista 2 2 408
32. The Rock 9 2 7 394
33. Big Van Vader 3 3 387
34. King Booker 6 5 1 379
35. Curt Hennig 1 1 373
36. Brock Lesnar 3 3 355
37. Billy Graham 1 1 296
38. Ultimate Warrior1 1 293
39. Yokozuna 2 2 281
40. JBL 1 1 280
41. The Undertaker 5 4 1 275
42. Taz 2 2 261
43. Goldberg 2 1 1 258
44. Jerry Lawler 1 1 256
45. Christian Cage 2 2 245
46. Billy Watson 1 1 239
47. Lex Luger 2 2 235
48. Mr. M 1 1 224
49. Mike Awesome 2 2 201
50. The Big Show 4 2 2 196
51. A.J. Styles 3 3 196
52. Stan Hansen 1 1 181
53. Sid Vicious 4 2 2 174
54. Edge 3 2 1 167
55. Justin Credible 1 1 162
56. Chris Benoit 2 1 1 155
57. Ron Simmons 1 1 151
58. Eddie Guerrero 1 1 133
59. Scott Steiner 1 1 120
60. Ron Killings 2 2 119
61. Chris Jericho 3 2 1 1 141
62. Rey Mysterio 1 1 112
63. The Crusher 3 3 110
64. Dusty Rhodes 3 3 107
65. Rhino 2 1 1 96
66. Raven 1 1 88
67. Ricky Steamboat 1 1 76
68. Sgt. Slaughter 1 1 64
69. Steve Corino 1 1 63
70. Ron Garvin 1 1 62
71. The Great Khali 1 1 61+
72. Masa Saito 1 1 57
73. Abyss 1 1 56
74. Ken Shamrock 1 1 49
75. Mankind 3 3 47
76. Otto Wanz 1 1 41
77. Jerry Lynn 1 1 35
78. DDP 3 3 29
79. The Iron Sheik 1 1 28
80. Randy Orton 1 1 28
81. Rob Van Dam 1 1 22
82. Ivan Koloff 1 1 21
83. Kerry Von Erich 1 1 18
84. Giant Baba 3 3 17
85. Adam Pearce 1 1 15+
86. Dr. X 1 1 14
87. Fritz Von Erich 1 1 12
88. David Arquette 1 1 12
89. Stan Stasiak 1 1 9
90. Mighty Igor Vodic1 1 7
91. Dick the Bruiser1 1 7
92. Vince Russo 1 1 7
93. Vince McMahon 1 1 6
94. Masato Tanaka 1 1 6
95. Tommy Rich 1 1 4
96. André the Giant 1 1 1
97. Kane 1 1 1
98. Tommy Dreamer 1 1 1
99. The Sandman 1 1 1
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But at the same time, we're talking about something that is apparent with only one of the two.

Heels should be resented, but the point remains, you can't tell if people are "resenting" a heel or want him off TV. Well, you can, but not by boos. A face getting booed is obviously not doing his job. A heel getting booed could very well be doing his job.

In Trips' case, he hurt ratings by being on TV, and probably will again once the injury return is over. Cena, at least, has an excuse for being on top in low ratings. Now, his QHs may tank like Trips have in the past, but I don't have that information. However, the fact is, Trips was losing ratings back when the show was pulling in twice as many people as the show does now. Cena's on top in a lackluster show, and can't solely be blamed for the ratings. Cena might even look good if he had the equivalent of the Rock, Austin, a slightly less crippled Undertaker, etc.
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Cena might even look good if he had the equivalent of the Rock, Austin, a slightly less crippled Undertaker, etc.
Exactly.

But if Cena were around, say 7-10 years ago there would be no Rock, Austin, Taker, or anybody else. Not the same hated/resented Cena there is today. Either Cena would be sharing the main event with those people, or Cena would be mowing them down and dominating just as he is now. So The Rock or Austin continually jobbing to Cena wouldn't be the same Rock or Austin that we actually experienced, and it would have been the same then as it is now.

It would just be A LOT better if at least one person looked to be his equal and could take the belt away for an extended period of time. They almost built Orton up as this person, but then have him win via DQ because Cena was beating him to mercilessly in the corner
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