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Old 09-17-2007, 11:42 AM   #81
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Also, I still wouldn't call it pulling a Triple H though, because I really don't think keeping the title on him is ever his own suggestion. The company's just ridiculously high on him, and he didn't even have to start a gay relationship with Shane or Hornswoggle.
The 'Swog is all about pussy, god dammit.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:44 PM   #82
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I just updated that list. Cena has surpassed Bret Hart.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:55 PM   #83
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I could surpsass BRet Hart. Among other things, I can take a shot to the head without dying.
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:02 PM   #84
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That was neither funny nor pertinent. Shame on you, Kane Knight.
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:03 PM   #85
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I would like to test this, if you don't mind.
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Old 09-17-2007, 04:49 PM   #86
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but is there really anybody massively over enough right now that could do better than he has been doing?
No, there isn't. Nobody is well liked enough to just tear through everybody the way he has. But, that was my point. Nobody, not Cena, not Orton, not Triple H, not Taker, not anybody should be on the dominant run he has been on. I think the entire company would be in much better standing had they "distributed the wealth" a little better.
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Old 09-17-2007, 04:52 PM   #87
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I will go out on a limb here and say, that Triple H's reign of terror was far better than Cena's. For two reasons; 1) He lost the title more often. Cena has had the title, what, once in the last two years or so? He's only been without the belt three months or so of the past two years. Triple H lost it more often, and then would regain it which at least left a little unpredictability in the matches and storylines. 2) The crowd began to resent Triple H, but NOWHERE near the mass resentment that Cena has gotten. I would venture to guess that Cena is one of, if not the most hated champions of all time.
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No, there isn't. Nobody is well liked enough to just tear through everybody the way he has. But, that was my point. Nobody, not Cena, not Orton, not Triple H, not Taker, not anybody should be on the dominant run he has been on. I think the entire company would be in much better standing had they "distributed the wealth" a little better.
Also at this point, no one besides Edge has fared well against Cena. And Edge barely and weakly got over Cena only to lose the title back to him. I should point out that RVD only won the title from Cena on his own terms and with the help of Edge. Also, Cena has beaten Edge more times than naught. So at this point, there is no one on the roster that even looks like a credible contender, and that is the entire roster. I mean if you look at Smackdown, Cena beat Kahli twice, while Kahli sucessfully retained his title from Batista multiple times. Plus Batista needed 8 shots to win the title. So on paper Cena destories Batista. And of course the rest of Smackdown's roster isn't good enough to be a number 1 contender without Batista also being in the match.

So basically with the Cena's superman push, and Batista being constantly #1 contender for 5 months, they have basically cemented Cena as the only credible person on the entire roster.
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Old 09-17-2007, 05:39 PM   #90
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I will go out on a limb here and say, that Triple H's reign of terror was far better than Cena's. For two reasons; 1) He lost the title more often. Cena has had the title, what, once in the last two years or so? He's only been without the belt three months or so of the past two years. Triple H lost it more often, and then would regain it which at least left a little unpredictability in the matches and storylines. 2) The crowd began to resent Triple H, but NOWHERE near the mass resentment that Cena has gotten. I would venture to guess that Cena is one of, if not the most hated champions of all time.
Cena is a face. The resentment shows more.

Triple H was a heel. The argument was "He's SUPPOSED to get booed, dumbass! He's SUPPOSED to tank the ratings."

And to be honest, the IWC is so fucking retarded that if John Cena were to insult the IWC, 80% of the wankers on here would fawn over Cena the way they fawn over Trips.
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Cena is a face. The resentment shows more.
Good point, very true. But at the same time, a heel should be resented at least a little bit. A babyface superhero shouldn't bear hardly any resentment.
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:11 PM   #92
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Seeing Kane's one day reign depresses me. He was awesome back in the day.

I still cheer him these days more than rest of the roster, and he doesn't even win matches anymore.

Seriously, wtf? Only muscular, giant monster we actually like, and he never gets anywhere...it's like WWE takes lessons from the Andy Kaufman handbook when dealing with fans.
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:17 PM   #93
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I really think it would soften the blow for a lot of people if the belt didn't spin.
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:21 PM   #94
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But at the same time, we're talking about something that is apparent with only one of the two.

Heels should be resented, but the point remains, you can't tell if people are "resenting" a heel or want him off TV. Well, you can, but not by boos. A face getting booed is obviously not doing his job. A heel getting booed could very well be doing his job.

In Trips' case, he hurt ratings by being on TV, and probably will again once the injury return is over. Cena, at least, has an excuse for being on top in low ratings. Now, his QHs may tank like Trips have in the past, but I don't have that information. However, the fact is, Trips was losing ratings back when the show was pulling in twice as many people as the show does now. Cena's on top in a lackluster show, and can't solely be blamed for the ratings. Cena might even look good if he had the equivalent of the Rock, Austin, a slightly less crippled Undertaker, etc.
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:33 PM   #95
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I really think it would soften the blow for a lot of people if the belt didn't spin.
But without the “Pokémon effect” of the “shiny new belt glare” and the “spinner”, wouldn’t have a weekly audience, and that's sad. Or is it ?



Well, at any rate we're gonna get Friday in there, see if he can get this kid, Cena to crack, tell em where he hides his title.
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Cena might even look good if he had the equivalent of the Rock, Austin, a slightly less crippled Undertaker, etc.
Exactly.

But if Cena were around, say 7-10 years ago there would be no Rock, Austin, Taker, or anybody else. Not the same hated/resented Cena there is today. Either Cena would be sharing the main event with those people, or Cena would be mowing them down and dominating just as he is now. So The Rock or Austin continually jobbing to Cena wouldn't be the same Rock or Austin that we actually experienced, and it would have been the same then as it is now.

It would just be A LOT better if at least one person looked to be his equal and could take the belt away for an extended period of time. They almost built Orton up as this person, but then have him win via DQ because Cena was beating him to mercilessly in the corner
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I only watch wreslting again for the first time in a long time. So I don;t know what Hhh did before all that well. But maybe people are just mad about HHH still and not about Cena.

All I know is I like Cena since I start watching again I find his parts better than the other parts.

Ummm...no. We don't like having stuff forced down our throats...even if at one point we liked it. We didn't like having to watch HHH dominate Raw for 2 years, dominate over every opponent till no one seemed a threat, and not leave the main event scene till an injury took him out. He was forced upon us every week, even though fan opinion was we didn't want him. The same goes for Cena now...he rose to the top at one point because he had a very entertaining character, but it grew stale...and when we started to boo to show we wanted something new...we were ignored as they just forced Cena to the top, gave him the more modern day Hogan gimmick, and...forced him down our throats.

I still argue if the man had been turned heel when he was getting stale, and maybe even now in our rejuvination of hatred...we might like him again. But as long as WWE pushes him as the good guy while it's obvious we want someone new...we are going to boo, mock, and dislike him.
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11. Gene Kiniski 2 1 1 1,159
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13. Pedro Morales 1 1 1,027
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22. Buddy Rogers 2 1 1 592
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44. Jerry Lawler 1 1 256
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58. Eddie Guerrero 1 1 133
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64. Dusty Rhodes 3 3 107
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66. Raven 1 1 88
67. Ricky Steamboat 1 1 76
68. Sgt. Slaughter 1 1 64
69. Steve Corino 1 1 63
70. Ron Garvin 1 1 62
71. The Great Khali 1 1 61+
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79. The Iron Sheik 1 1 28
80. Randy Orton 1 1 28
81. Rob Van Dam 1 1 22
82. Ivan Koloff 1 1 21
83. Kerry Von Erich 1 1 18
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