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Old 11-05-2007, 04:05 PM   #81
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Why the hell would the Rays shop Kazmir? They got him in the biggest assraping ever. Also, what the fuck are they going to trade him for, more bats? They need more Kazmirs, they have plenty of great young position players. I think they still have Kazmir for like 3 more years. If anything they should look to deal Baldelli or even Carl Crawford for some arms.

Kazmir is going to be on the market alot sooner than 3 years, they want to trade him before they lose him to Free agency.

Damon For Crede would not be bad, Fills a need, opens the outfield for Melky/Abreu/Matsui, and opens DH to Giambi or a bat they sign
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I dunno, I read that the Rays consider BJ Upton to be their only untouchable player, but to get Kazmir would require "multiple high-end pitchers"

But yeah, if the Rays ever want to compete they need more pitching. Hell if I were them I'd check with Sabean to see if he was serious about Lincecum costing just a bat. Crawford for Lincecum. Kazmir and Lincecum in the same rotation, gonna be nasty for years.
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Apparently Lincecum's gonna be on the market for "a quality bat"

Sabean is beyond retarded if he trades Lincecum for a single bat

Lincecum will be an ace in 3 years.

Lincecum for Damon if he doesn't go for Crede.


Side Note, how can the yanks unload Giambi....I think its time to get away from the old Big Money Losing way yanks and fully embrace the new age.
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Kazmir, Lincecum, Shields is a pretty solid top of the rotation.
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Red Sox are probably gonna shop Coco Crisp.
They definitely are, I can't see them holding on to him as a back up.

I heard San Diego is interested, would be sick if they got Cla Meridith (no clue how to spell any of that lol) back
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I'm not really a fan of that Crede for Damon swap. I seriously don't think Damon will be as bad next year; not to say I wouldn't trade him. I would in a second if a decent deal came up. This one just seems like a waste considering we pretty much have Joe Crede without the great defense in Wilson Betemit. Low average, subpar OBP's and still have some pop. They are pretty much one in the same. If Crede is Casman's choice he should just slide Betemit into 3rd base and trade Damon for something more useful.
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I think Damon is fine in left. I'd rather trade Matsui, to be honest. That's never gonna happen because of the money he brings us from Japan, however.

I'm not a fan of Joe Crede either, I too would rather stick with Betemit. I think we should try to upgrade at 1st base where it'd be easier to make up for A-Rod's bat and keep Betemit at 3rd. I guess there really aren't too many attractive options out there, however, as Carlos Pena is going to resign with the Rays, and who knows how good he'd be anyway.
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I think Damon is fine in left. I'd rather trade Matsui, to be honest. That's never gonna happen because of the money he brings us from Japan, however.

I'm not a fan of Joe Crede either, I too would rather stick with Betemit. I think we should try to upgrade at 1st base where it'd be easier to make up for A-Rod's bat and keep Betemit at 3rd. I guess there really aren't too many attractive options out there, however, as Carlos Pena is going to resign with the Rays, and who knows how good he'd be anyway.

Honestly, I would never go into a season with Betemit at 3rd. He is HORRIBLE in the field. I would rather see Cairo starting. He is a great bench player, he can play a few positions and has some Pop for late inning at bats in relief. But he is NOT a day to day starter, especially to take over for AROD. Crede plays very good d. he was injured so his numbers were down, but look at his last full year stats. He hit .283, which is far from low, its about average. He put up 30 HRs, great for a 3B, and drive in 94, which would have been like 115 with NYs lineup. I will take that ANY day, as I dont see any options near that. I would like to see Matsui go as well, but it wont happen. Damon still is a good player, there just sint room for him, and I think he will be traded as he still has some real value. I think an upgrade at first could also be dpne after Damon for Crede, they could drop some prospects (none of the top ones) but like some AA guys that they only keep around to trade. Not ever guy in the system is meant to make the bigs.
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Add this in. Until last year when he was de-railed with injuries, Crede's offensive numbers went up every year he played. So He might still be on the rise.

He also hasa ring, and knows how to win and would be a nice addition to the few yanks left with a ring.
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Last thing...that made me think, what yanks are left from the last winning WS Team?

Mo, Posada, Jeter......Anyone else?
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Speaking of year end awards, when are they announcing Dustin Pedroia and Josh Beckett as the Rookie of the Year and Cy Young?
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To answer Matt Allen Hanso's questions.

Cairo is with the Cardinals but is back on the free agent market I believe. Wouldn't mind seeing him back. He pulled his weight.

If Rivera and Posada to go play someplace else next season, Derek Jeter is the last Yankee of the Torre era.

Latest news is that Buster Olney is reporting that Greg Maddux is gonna get a 1 year $10 mil. deal with the Padres. However, had he pitched 2 more innings during this season, he would have been guarenteed $10 mil. for the season coming up.
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Add this in. Until last year when he was de-railed with injuries, Crede's offensive numbers went up every year he played. So He might still be on the rise.

He also hasa ring, and knows how to win and would be a nice addition to the few yanks left with a ring.
I think 2006 was his career year. He'll never put numbers up like that again. He's got a pretty good glove, but that's it. Maybe Betemit isn't the answer but I don't like the Crede for Damon swap. I don't think Melky is a legit leadoff guy yet, and he's who'd be leading off if Damon were gone.

There's room for Damon on the team. It's Giambi there's no room for, but nobody will take him. I'd almost rather pay him to play somewhere else at this point than trade Damon, who is good and left and keeps Matsui in the DH spot. Giambi just makes the team worse.

We need a bat at one of the corners. It's that simple. We lost a huge, huge part of our offense, and we can't go with Mientkiwicz and Crede. Think about it.

Melky Cabrera
Derek Jeter
Bobby Abreu
Jason Giambi
Hideki Matsui
Jorge Posada
Robinson Cano
Joe Crede
Doug Mientkiewicz

You're counting on Melky and his .327 OBP to lead off. You're also counting on Giambi to cleanup. We don't even know if Jorge will be back. Our pitching will be better this year but we still need offense because our pitching is young and our bullpen is pretty much up in arms.

I guess it could work if we trade Damon for Crede and then sign Torii Hunter or Andruw Jones. Then shift Melky to left. Still, no true leadoff hitter. Jeter can bat leadoff but he prefers the 2 hole and he's perfect there. I guess I could see Melky in the two hole because he's a good bunter and has pretty good speed but he can't hit and run like Jeter. Cano could probably hit second but he swings at too many bad pitches and isn't really a good baserunner, which is what probably keeps him out of the top of the lineup anyway.

Cashman has got his work cut out for him, to say the least.
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I think 2006 was his career year. He'll never put numbers up like that again. He's got a pretty good glove, but that's it. Maybe Betemit isn't the answer but I don't like the Crede for Damon swap. I don't think Melky is a legit leadoff guy yet, and he's who'd be leading off if Damon were gone.

There's room for Damon on the team. It's Giambi there's no room for, but nobody will take him. I'd almost rather pay him to play somewhere else at this point than trade Damon, who is good and left and keeps Matsui in the DH spot. Giambi just makes the team worse.

We need a bat at one of the corners. It's that simple. We lost a huge, huge part of our offense, and we can't go with Mientkiwicz and Crede. Think about it.

Melky Cabrera
Derek Jeter
Bobby Abreu
Jason Giambi
Hideki Matsui
Jorge Posada
Robinson Cano
Joe Crede
Doug Mientkiewicz

You're counting on Melky and his .327 OBP to lead off. You're also counting on Giambi to cleanup. We don't even know if Jorge will be back. Our pitching will be better this year but we still need offense because our pitching is young and our bullpen is pretty much up in arms.

I guess it could work if we trade Damon for Crede and then sign Torii Hunter or Andruw Jones. Then shift Melky to left. Still, no true leadoff hitter. Jeter can bat leadoff but he prefers the 2 hole and he's perfect there. I guess I could see Melky in the two hole because he's a good bunter and has pretty good speed but he can't hit and run like Jeter. Cano could probably hit second but he swings at too many bad pitches and isn't really a good baserunner, which is what probably keeps him out of the top of the lineup anyway.

Cashman has got his work cut out for him, to say the least.
Good Points.

Can Cashman pull something big off? On the level of landing A-Rod. he has doen an amazing job of off-loading guys, maybe he can dump the Giambino and pull the trigger on a trade that would leave us with Damon.
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Pettitte declines his player option.

Not a huge deal considering this was expected. The Yankees have said he has all the time he needs to decide and the offer would still be there and Andy said its the Yankees or retirement. I just hope to god its the Yankees.
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Pettitte declines his player option.

Not a huge deal considering this was expected. The Yankees have said he has all the time he needs to decide and the offer would still be there and Andy said its the Yankees or retirement. I just hope to god its the Yankees.
Agreed. We need him back in a bad way. Wang and the rest of the farm boys can't carry our pen forever.

Got my fingers crossed.
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nah, don't get rid of Damon. He's still one of the best lead off hitters in the game. Him and Jeter are perfect to lead things off. If they can pull off Crede without unloading someone useful, then do it. It's been proven so many times in the past that you don't need power hitters all over the lineup to win. Yea, we lost 50+ homers. there's other ways to manufacture runs. Crede is one of those guys I can see coming up big in the playoffs.

I'd love to deal Giambi or Matsui.
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Did you hear Santana could be going to Boston? I heard there's speculation that they're trying to land Johan with............

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I don't think the Yankees could top that. Cause to top that we'd have to give up Joba or Hughes somewhere in the trade. And I am totally against trading Joba or Hughes. This could be an extremely bad thing if the Sox land him for this.

About the Damon/ Crede idea. I don't like it he is still a good lead off hitter. And IMO not bad as a Left fielder either. I say we keep him.
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Looks like Schilling is re-signing. Better not be for a lot.

Also Buchholz better not be going anywhere. Even if it's for Santana.
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Schilling probably gonna get 13 million
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Ken Rosenthal says that he expects the Mets to make a "monster offer" to Jorge Posada, something like 5-years, $70 million as opposed to the 3-years, $40 million the Yanks might offer

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Wow. I want Jorge on the team and all but I dunno what you're gonna do with him when he finally breaks down. Now people have said he'd break down for years now but there's no way I see a 42-year old Jorge Posada catching. He could always move to 1B after 2008 but then if the Mets were to sign A-Rod you have all kinds of problems with Wright (he'd probably wind up in the outfield or something)

I still see the Yanks upping their offer to a 4th or 5th year to keep him in the Bronx where they know they can just DH him eventually.
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Report is schilling signed a year with a base between 6-8mil and invesntives putting him over 10mil.
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Report is schilling signed a year with a base between 6-8mil and invesntives putting him over 10mil.
On what team did the report say he signed with? Did the Sox sign him back?
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At his blog for the Journal News, Peter Abraham reports that by the end of this week the Yankees ‘could announce’ a three-year, $40 million deal for free-agent RHP Mariano Rivera.

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According to Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams of the San Francisco Chronicle, Jose Guillen "bought thousands of dollars of steroids and human growth hormone" from the Palm Beach Rejuvenation Center between May of 2002 and June of 2005.

Former big leaguers Matt Williams and Ismael Valdez are also implicated in the report. In an ESPN The Magazine story back in February, Guillen denied using steroids. "That is something I never considered in my life," Guillen said. "You're ruining your whole career. You're ruining your reputation. This really is hurting baseball right now, the image of the game." However, the newspaper details Guillen's orders, which reportedly totaled $19,000.
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Former big leaguers Matt Williams and Ismael Valdez are also implicated in the report. In an ESPN The Magazine story back in February, Guillen denied using steroids. "That is something I never considered in my life," Guillen said. "You're ruining your whole career. You're ruining your reputation. This really is hurting baseball right now, the image of the game." However, the newspaper details Guillen's orders, which reportedly totaled $19,000.
LOL explains Guillen's roid rage.
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Glad that Schilling is back, Wakefield too. Our pitching should be good again. If we got Santana... wow. I am not too keen on giving up Clay but our starting rotation would be sick.
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Coco/Lester/Hansen/maybe Brandon Moss for Santana is what I would prefer to happen if we traded for him. Buchholz needs to stay in Boston, that way we can join the rotation when Schilling inevitably gets hurt.
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Gold Gloves announced:

AL

P--Johan Santana, Minnesota
C--Ivan Rodriguez, Detroit
1B--Kevin Youkilis, Boston
2B--Placido Polanco, Detroit
SS--Orlando Cabrera, Los Angeles
3B--Adrian Beltre, Seattle
OF--Grady Sizemore, Cleveland
OF--Ichiro Suzuki, Seattle
OF--Torii Hunter, Minnesota

NL

P--Greg Maddux, San Diego
C--Russell Martin, Los Angeles
1B-- Derrek Lee, Chicago
2B--Orlando Hudson, Arizona
SS--Jimmy Rollins, Philadelphia
3B--David Wright, New York
OF--Jeff Francoeur, Atlanta
OF--Andruw Jones, Atlanta
OF--Aaron Rowand, Philadelphia
OF--Carlos Beltran, New York

4 Outfielders won the award due to a tie in the voting process.
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That would suck if Santana went to the Red Sox cause then I wouldn't want to root for him anymore. Also I would fucking tear my eyes out if the Mets sign Posada cause I hate him so damn much
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Couple small notes.

Tampa Bay is willing to trade Scott Kazmir. But they want some young top-level pitching prospects in return.

Eric Gagne is interested in going back to the Rangers. Tigers are keeping an ear to the ground also.
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I don't know if that deal will be dealt. If the Yankees have to trade Hughes/Kennedy/Melky etc. to get Santana. If I was Minnestota I would at least ask for Ellsberry/ Lester/ Buchholz/Pedoria. But remember this teams don't really like to trade in their division. So there could be a possibility that Santana doesn't go to the Yankees or the Red Sox and goes to a NL team. If Buchholz doesn't go anywhere something tells me Johan isn't going there.
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I don't know if that deal will be dealt. If the Yankees have to trade Hughes/Kennedy/Melky etc. to get Santana. If I was Minnestota I would at least ask for Ellsberry/ Lester/ Buchholz/Pedoria. But remember this teams don't really like to trade in their division. So there could be a possibility that Santana doesn't go to the Yankees or the Red Sox and goes to a NL team. If Buchholz doesn't go anywhere something tells me Johan isn't going there.

Santana is going to go for a Kings ransom.

At least 2 top prospects, 1 day to day payer, and a SOLID starter.

I could see Clay Buckholz, Coco, Pedrioia and hansen for Santana....he is not going for cheap at ALL.
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