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Old 12-17-2007, 08:22 PM   #81
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I've never seen any guy other than a few random fags impersonating the spice girls wearing a ponytail the way he did.

Maybe things are different over in the UK, but here, that style is worn by women and the occasional San Fransisco feller.
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Sometimes a vocal minority can influnce the majority...look at those filthy hippies during the 60's.
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How can WWE blame Jericho for not being "over"
Jericho: You wanted to see me.
Vince: Its all your fault that you're not pulling the crowds in.
Jericho: Huh

Thats how.
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Sometimes a vocal minority can influnce the majority...look at those filth hippies during the 60's.
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And the IWC is responsible for the push right? They overrated him and as a result he couldn't live up to the hype?
You have me lost.
What part has you lost, really? And why does the IWC have to be responsible for his push?
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Sometimes a vocal minority can influnce the majority...look at those filthy hippies during the 60's.
Hell, look at voters. Normally an election is decided by the majority of less than half the country. On average, the choice is made by less than 25% of the population. With high turnout and a landslide, you might get 40% of the population. But generally, you're looking at a vocal minority, while the rest of the country just doesn't give a shit.
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JBL is going to carry the promo end of that fued.
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JBL is going to carry the promo end of that fued.
Especially if Jericho continues to phone it in.

I'd like to pretend the only problem is I'm just not excited for wrestling these days, but Jericho is a different animal these days. Youtube proves that.
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What's interesting, BTW, is that less than a week has lapsed from "Give it time," and "Jericho's return was awesome!" and "fuck you!" and so on. Now, it's all excuses. So I guess the proper time to accept that Jericho's return wasn't all it was cracked up to be is four weeks, not three.

BDC, I think you owe everyone an apology for jumping the gun.

But seriously, it seems a lot of people are coming around and waking up to the fact that this isn't all that great. The problem being that now they're shifting the blame from the naysayers to WWE, which is more or less swapping a lie for a lie.

Jericho's return took about a month. I mean, I'm sorry people got pissed off that it "took too long" and "wasted" interest, but it really isn't all that unreasonable to build something for a month. People were pissed off, though, as though WWE had let them down, when they didn't. That's what Jericho said, too. That people were mad at him for something he never promised, something that was never advertised.

Vince didn't screw you, Chris didn't screw you. WWE didn't screw you. You screwed yourself by believing the hype. People were still angry.

Jericho's return with the torch carrier bit was kinda...Well, it could have been better, but it was fine. And if Jericho put on a show that was half as good as he used to, that crowd would have been completely on fire. It wasn't the crowd's fault, it wasn't WWE's fault. That was Jericho being lazy. And people defended him and everything. That's fine.

Beyond that, people still stick up for Chris as though this was someone else's fault. WWE probably could have done better, and I admit it, but I think the Lion's Share (Pun intended) of blame falls to Jericho. I mean, whoever came up with the idea that he was saving us from Orton also screwed the pooch. That was lame. But the Jercho's a big part of the problem, and people don't want to see it.

This post is probably bordering on Alienoid length by now, so I'll end here instead of rambling.
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What's interesting, BTW, is that less than a week has lapsed from "Give it time," and "Jericho's return was awesome!" and "fuck you!" and so on. Now, it's all excuses. So I guess the proper time to accept that Jericho's return wasn't all it was cracked up to be is four weeks, not three.

BDC, I think you owe everyone an apology for jumping the gun.

But seriously, it seems a lot of people are coming around and waking up to the fact that this isn't all that great. The problem being that now they're shifting the blame from the naysayers to WWE, which is more or less swapping a lie for a lie.

Jericho's return took about a month. I mean, I'm sorry people got pissed off that it "took too long" and "wasted" interest, but it really isn't all that unreasonable to build something for a month. People were pissed off, though, as though WWE had let them down, when they didn't. That's what Jericho said, too. That people were mad at him for something he never promised, something that was never advertised.

Vince didn't screw you, Chris didn't screw you. WWE didn't screw you. You screwed yourself by believing the hype. People were still angry.

Jericho's return with the torch carrier bit was kinda...Well, it could have been better, but it was fine. And if Jericho put on a show that was half as good as he used to, that crowd would have been completely on fire. It wasn't the crowd's fault, it wasn't WWE's fault. That was Jericho being lazy. And people defended him and everything. That's fine.

Beyond that, people still stick up for Chris as though this was someone else's fault. WWE probably could have done better, and I admit it, but I think the Lion's Share (Pun intended) of blame falls to Jericho. I mean, whoever came up with the idea that he was saving us from Orton also screwed the pooch. That was lame. But the Jercho's a big part of the problem, and people don't want to see it.

This post is probably bordering on Alienoid length by now, so I'll end here instead of rambling.
Jericho is the one that said he was there to save us from Orton, not boring ass wrestling, the WWE stale old formula, medicoraty being hailed as greatness, and spin-doctors. No, he was short sighted and said he was there to save us from Orton and only Orton.
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Jericho is the one that said he was there to save us from Orton, not boring ass wrestling, the WWE stale old formula, medicoraty being hailed as greatness, and spin-doctors. No, he was short sighted and said he was there to save us from Orton and only Orton.
I was affording the notion that he didn't actually come up with the SAVE_US idea himself, which I do believe to be probable. I'm not trying to remove any burden from Jericho, but most wrestlers don't exactly have creative control.

Jericho has failed by not putting on a great performance, but Jericho's not the whole show, so to speak.
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Who booked him to have a competitive match with Santino Freaking Marella? The guy couldn't beat Jerry Lawler, but it took a full match for Jericho to beat him? That started the slide
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I was affording the notion that he didn't actually come up with the SAVE_US idea himself, which I do believe to be probable. I'm not trying to remove any burden from Jericho, but most wrestlers don't exactly have creative control.

Jericho has failed by not putting on a great performance, but Jericho's not the whole show, so to speak.
While it is true, most wrestlers don't have creative control, Jericho was in lengthy contract meetings from what I understand. And I'm will to bet part of what was being discussed was his come back and how it would be handled. I just find it hard to believe Jericho was not involed in the creative process of coming up with his return gimmick/angle.
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Who booked him to have a competitive match with Santino Freaking Marella? The guy couldn't beat Jerry Lawler, but it took a full match for Jericho to beat him? That started the slide
Lawler > Jericho. Simply as that. Lawler be up Tazz faster than Jericho did as well.
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Lawler > Jericho. Simply as that. Lawler be up Tazz faster than Jericho did as well.
Didn't Tazz choke Lawler out in like under 30 seconds at ONS 2.
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I thought that he choked out angle.
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Didn't Tazz choke Lawler out in like under 30 seconds at ONS 2.
Yes. BDC meant their match in like 2000 or something that had that angle where Tazz blinded JR by breaking a glass jar and Lawler was out for revenge.
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While it is true, most wrestlers don't have creative control, Jericho was in lengthy contract meetings from what I understand. And I'm will to bet part of what was being discussed was his come back and how it would be handled. I just find it hard to believe Jericho was not involed in the creative process of coming up with his return gimmick/angle.
I'm sure he was involved, the question is, was it to any meaningful extent?
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Point taken, KK. But if I was in Jericho's position during the negoations, I would have pushed heavily for my own idea, so I imagine he did the same. If they refused, I would have gone to TNA.
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Old 12-19-2007, 10:05 AM   #107
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True, they are a bit slow.

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Jericho reminds me of Suze Orman for some reason:
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Personally, I really don't see how Jericho has been lazy. I'm sure the guy doesn't like coming out and getting lukewarm responses. I mean, his promos haven't been the greatest ever, but it's not like they've been bad, either. The guy has also shown little ring-rust.

The fans wanted him at No Mercy. They wanted him more than Triple H. I don't know what happened, but when he redebuted, the fans were cheering, but it wasn't the greatest pop ever. Then it died down the next week for his entrance. Then I can't remember, but the fans were getting fucking HOT when he was about to win the WWE Championship. When JBL caused the disqualification, you could just feel people get pissed off.

You can blame Jericho, I guess, but I don't think that's it. Not exclusively. I honestly place some blame on the WWE. Most of it on the WWE, actually. Has Chris Jericho actually been in a main event match since he's been back? Think about it. He wrestled Santino Marella in the middle of the show, Umaga in the middle of the show and Randy Orton in the middle of the show. Marks, generally, take notice of things like that in an era where they've been conditioned to only care about what goes on last.

And then there is the fact that these are cooler crowds, Jericho was last a whiny heel, and that some fans might not have a clue who he is and need to be acquainted with him. I don't think it is reasonable to expect the guy to come back and literally save the WWE.

The man has come back, looked good in the ring, cut good promos, and is getting good pops. Granted, it's not up to his great standard, but the man has not been back for long. Another theory, is that the man has grown as a person. He's had twin daughters since he's been away from the WWE, apparently, and his son is growing up, he's found God, got a haircut, made it to the top, and he's probably a lot more adjusted family-wise. To come back and resume being a rock star might not be the most natural transition in the world. The best performances are ones laced with honestly, and as much as it pains me to say it, Jericho might have evolved beyond the point of being the old rock star type.

I do want to say that Jericho should not have to do anything new to prove his worth, though. When was the last time Shawn Michaels did anything new? Or Triple H did anything new? Jericho was great mainly for being the same character he was consistently, and for just being great on the mic and in the ring. He shouldn't need to come back with a new gimmick and all these changes. Also, the man's hair was always a little fruity. That was a whole part of his thing. Personally, I don't even think his new hair is bad. Way overblown.
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