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Old 03-11-2008, 02:10 PM   #81
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If you're hurting, take time off, don't take shit that can fuck up your career.
Easier said than done. Most wrestlers do wrestle when they're sore or hurt. It's not like the wrestling culture is understanding to when a person is hurting, as he would probably lose his push that way anyhow and also get heat backstage for it.
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:13 PM   #82
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And what I also hate about this is that here I was thinking they were actually interested in doing something with Jericho...and now it just seems like Jericho ONLY won due to Jeff getting suspended.
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Matt updated his Myspace blog this morning. He's into cryptic messages, but I think this one is pretty obvious:

I know two people of different genders who are in a dilemma at this time. One of these individuals I am extremely close with-the other one I used to be. The thing that worries me is that they're both playing around in the deep water and can't swim. I can swim. Ironically, Eulogy by Tool just came up on random.
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:20 PM   #84
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What the fuck is wrong with this guy? What a fucking moron.

I've always been a Hardy skeptic, always thought he was overrated, never sold on his main event potential, not until his most recent run. He had me convinced, that wow, he's fucking for real. He was every bit as over now as he was back in his prime a few years ago, if not more over. He has been in World Title matches, was probably going to win MITB this year...there was so many huge opportunities for him coming up. This really was the peak of his career, and boom, 60 days on the shelf now for being a fucking dumbass.

This is his second violation now, and you know what, I wouldn't stop at 60 days this time. It's his second violation under the new policy, and we all know he's had problems before in the past so who knows exactly how many times they've had to bring the hammer down on him for this shit. Jeff Hardy fucking blew it. Big time. And If I was the WWE, fuck him. I'd fire him today and tell him not to let the door hit him in the ass on the way out. They've given him way too many opportunities for this shit to still be going on. His WWE career is as good as over.

Maybe he'll go back to TNA, headline some shit there, and waste away for what little time he has left in the wrestling business. But you know what, he doesn't even deserve that, he shouldn't be main eventing crap-ass TNA. For me, from now on, Jeff Hardy will always be the guy the could have been huge and bombed out maybe bigger than anybody else EVER. He's let his hardcore fans down too many times, he's let his employers down too many times, he's proven his skeptics RIGHT too many times, fuck him. He's done.
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:37 PM   #85
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And what I also hate about this is that here I was thinking they were actually interested in doing something with Jericho...and now it just seems like Jericho ONLY won due to Jeff getting suspended.
How was that not them seriously being interested in doing something? He's held the belt 8 times. It's not really a step up or down, and he won it clean off Jeff Hardy who has been momentus and over as hell.

I think the bottom line is, Jericho returning was a big moment, then it was back to basics which means uppermidcard. He's been doing fine there. They'll prob use him in the same capacity, with an occasional main event push every so often. It's not a bad thing.

It's also a credit to him as a performer and employee, since when the most popular guy on the roster has to go they send him out there to take his title for "safekeeping" knowing that he's not gonna fuck up with the belt or be a lesser champion. He may not be the biggest draw or the most powerful backstage, but I think he's genuinely well liked and respected and probably seen as one of the most trustworthy and consistent employees they have. He supposedly has never missed a date for WWE, and I think it's no coincidence that they're sending him of all their talent back to Larry King Live along with Cena after how well they did on there after the Benoit thing.

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Old 03-11-2008, 02:40 PM   #86
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WWE, according to their new policy, can suspend Jeff indefinitely without pay until he completes a rehab course. People are saying Jeff would rather quit than go to rehab, meaning he doesn't think he has a problem.

Two things now

1) Hi, 2003!

2) Looks like Jeff could be gone
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100% agreed jeritron. Its not a bad thing at all.
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:42 PM   #88
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WWE, according to their new policy, can suspend Jeff indefinitely without pay until he completes a rehab course. People are saying Jeff would rather quit than go to rehab, meaning he doesn't think he has a problem.

Two things now

1) Hi, 2003!

2) Looks like Jeff could be gone
At least 2007/2008 Jeff wasn't botching everything in sight and actually trying out there.

Then again, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:43 PM   #89
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Wow.

You know, there's something to be said about this wellness policy when it can turn so many fans against such a beloved wrestler as Jeff Hardy in less than 24 hours.

Now, I know that the rules have changed in wrestling; the guys can't get away with the stuff they used to be able to get away with, and that's probably a good thing. It will lead to less and less tragic endings like Eddie Guerrero's, and that's great.

My problem with the system is that you'll never see a Triple H, or a Shawn Michaels, or an Undertaker, or a Batista, or a John Cena, or a Randy Orton getting suspended due to the wellness policy. These guys are protected by Vince McMahon. And anyone who doesn't believe that Batista and Triple H (at least) take steroids needs to have their eyes checked.

But because Jeff is smaller, not as big of a star as those guys, it's extremely unfortunate that it has to happen, but he is expendable in terms of the line-up for WrestleMania (that, and I'm sure Triple H doesn't mind flushing out arguably the most popular face in the WWE for 60 days), and so his suspension sends him out the door.

However, because the rules have changed, the lockerroom has gotten smarter, and Jeff should have gotten smarter too, especially considering the wave his career was riding. It was dumb to take the pills. It was dumb to not have an "out" for the random drug test. There's no question about that. But, at the same time, the fact that part of the roster doesn't have to worry about these things isn't fair.

Who's wrong and who's right? Kurt Angle and Booker T both bolted from the WWE over issues with the wellness policy. But the fact of the matter is that it's reality for a WWE wrestler, and Jeff should know that.

Either way, I can't just forget that Jeff is one of the most talented and entertaining superstars on the WWE roster, just like I don't dislike RVD or Eddie Guerrero for their drug-related mishaps and endings. I will, however, gladly await his return to the ring, and so long as he continues to entertain me in the ring, as a wrestler, I'll be more than happy to welcome him back.
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Its kinda funny that ever since he changed his theme music things went downhill.
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:49 PM   #91
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I agree that it's biased. Granted Jeff's one of the most popular stars involved heavily with a major match and holding a title, but it woudln't be the same for say Randy Orton. I honestly don't think that Orton would go out on Raw and drop the title and serve the suspension thus taking him out of mania and ruining the slated main event if his piss test came up positive. They'd probably do something like remove him from house shows and fine him, and keep it secret until after Mania where he could serve the suspension. Or else they'd kabitz with him and have him appeal or something to draw the process out 20 days.

Either way, they punished Jeff and took the hit to their own promotion according to policy, but although its a major setback it is recoverable. If it was something like Big Show or a main eventer I think they'd handle it differently to protect their own interests and preserve the card for the biggest ppv of the year.
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Ummm Randy Orton's been suspended under the Wellness Policy before.
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:56 PM   #93
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To be fair i don't think you could put him on the same level as the top guys back then.
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Old 03-11-2008, 03:02 PM   #94
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Orton is just as expendable as Hardy is in WWE's eyes. In fact, with RAW clearly beginning to shift focus to Hardy slowly but surely you would think he would be one of the ones they'd protect.

The ONLY people 100% immune from the wellness policy are Triple H and Vince, along with possibly Michaels and Undertaker. I think they would easily suspend anyone else.
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Ummm Randy Orton's been suspended under the Wellness Policy before.
Orton was suspended in April of 2006 due to "Unprofessional Conduct," rumored to have been due to a poor attitude backstage as well as "fits." Orton spent 4 weeks in anger management during his suspension.

Orton has not been suspended due to violation of the wellness policy.
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Orton is just as expendable as Hardy is in WWE's eyes. In fact, with RAW clearly beginning to shift focus to Hardy slowly but surely you would think he would be one of the ones they'd protect.

The ONLY people 100% immune from the wellness policy are Triple H and Vince, along with possibly Michaels and Undertaker. I think they would easily suspend anyone else.
I really think Cena is among the immune.
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You're right.

But aside from those five, they'd be willing to suspend anyone.
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You're right.

But aside from those five, they'd be willing to suspend anyone.
Even Shane?
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OK, FINE....

Triple H, Vince, Undertaker, Cena, Michaels, Shane, Linda, Stephanie, Aurora Rose and Shane's kids. BUT ASIDE FROM THOSE!
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OK, FINE....

Triple H, Vince, Undertaker, Cena, Michaels, Shane, Linda, Stephanie, Aurora Rose and Shane's kids. BUT ASIDE FROM THOSE!
BREAKING NEWS: Stephanie McMahon's unborn baby has been suspended for violating the Wellness Policy. The baby will now be suspended from being born for 30 days.
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Ummm Randy Orton's been suspended under the Wellness Policy before.

I'm speaking of him in a situation where he's WWE champion 20 days before Wrestlemania's main event. I don't think the punishment would be as sudden and/or harsh for someone in Orton's position, no matter who it was. I think they would protect the interests of their PPV by using a little more leeway in the punishment. They'd be punished to protect their own ass in the wellness contreversy, but I don't think this way.
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This sucks from the fan's standpoint. You have a guy the fans love and want to see pushed, WWE finally starts listening and giving him a push, then he goes and does something stupid like this and ruins his chances for good. It's no wonder only 4 or 5 guys consistently main event in WWE, every time someone the fans want to see on top gets the chance they go and fuck it up for everybody. I blame guys like RVD and Hardy for this bullshit. They fuck up, so it makes the company become reluctant. Fuck this guy. He's had chance after fuckin chance, push after push. I don't give a fuck what his deal is, you either wanna be in the business or you don't, it's that simple. If you don't want it, get the hell out. Go do motocross in your back yard or make more shitty music with your shitty band and stay the fuck away from wrestling. Stop insulting your fans and fuckin over the company who has given you all these chances. Here's something for Jeff to look at - Jake Roberts, Scott Hall, Ron Simmons, X-Pac - all in rehab right now. They cut their careers short because they wouldn't get a hold of their shit. In 10 years we'll see Jeff Hardy as another one of these guys, or maybe even a guy like Curt Hennig, Eddie Guerrero, or Hawk. If that's what he wants, good fuckin riddance. As much as I like Jeff's work, I never want to see him get a push again. He doesn't deserve it.
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It sucks, but I can't really feel bad for him. I feel for the situation, but it's nobody's fault but his. I mean that's just plain fuckin stupid
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Old 03-11-2008, 03:46 PM   #106
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It should also be noted that the writing's on the wall that he's clearly in significant hot water here, for obvious reasons. Manily timing.

If the WWE had any interest or plans on continuing his push in any way shape or form he would have been injured or sidelined in kayfabe to explain his absence, rather than simply removing him from the card and announcing his suspension on the site after having him lose his title cleanly.

It's clearly the end of the road for Jeff Hardy.

It's also interesting that one of the most over and untapped stars may now be on his way out. Not that TNA would even utilize him in any meaningful way, but he can head there with the same name.
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Old 03-11-2008, 04:16 PM   #107
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Last night when he lost the IC title I figured it was either getting him ready for the MITB win or, well, missing the house shows was bad.

Seriously, people said he should have been main eventing this year. Had this happened they would have been seriously fucked. I'm glad it happened, proves that he has no business in the main event and will never be there again, the fucking idiot.

I guess I was right when I said he was an irresponsible moron.
I agree that its not good for him, however if he was main eventing, would he be protected like Vince, HHH, Cena?

I hate that you call him a moron for getting caught (and I do I agree to a point), but its annoying knowing that Cena, HHH and Vince are protected, and they don't even hide it. Personally I have no problem with wrestlers taking performance enhancing drugs, if THEY so choose they want to. But for WWE to turn the wellness pollicy into a PR stunt to protect them from a congressional hearing, and then blatently protect their top stars who are obviously using these drugs is just unfair on the unprotected wrestlers and us, the fans.

Jeff is stupid for getting caught, but the WWE is much worse for what they are doing. His 60 day suspension removes him from wrestlemania, and has just lost them my Wrestlemania money (short of something big happening in the next few weeks). The match I was most looking forward to has just lost its main competitor for no good reason. Sure, I like Jericho, but Jeff was there because the fans wanted him there, Jericho will be there because WWE wants him there in a hurry.
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Old 03-11-2008, 04:30 PM   #108
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In all reality, we don't know if Triple H, for instance, has legal prescriptions for steroids and that's why he's never and likely never will fail.

I agree that protecting anyone is bad, but not protecting anyone is worse. Let's face it, if Cena, for instance, had a pain killer problem, WWE would need to do something. I think Kurt Angle is proof that while WWE does protect its higher performers, there are limits that even they won't cross.

It all comes down to that Jeff has a history of bad business - the former failed drug test, missing shows etc - and that's why they needed to do something. Anyone else would have been dealt with after WrestleMania, I have no doubt.
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Old 03-11-2008, 04:34 PM   #109
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Old 03-11-2008, 04:34 PM   #110
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If WWE were smart, they'd stop pushing this guy. Fool me once, shame on you...Fool me ten times....
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Old 03-11-2008, 04:42 PM   #112
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"he doesn't take the hard stuff"

With Jbl on raw sharing the locker-room and shower facilites thats debatable
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Another example of the WWE lifestyle causing Wrestlers to continue to take some form of drug.
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Old 03-11-2008, 05:54 PM   #116
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I hate that you call him a moron for getting caught (and I do I agree to a point), but its annoying knowing that Cena, HHH and Vince are protected, and they don't even hide it. Personally I have no problem with wrestlers taking performance enhancing drugs, if THEY so choose they want to. But for WWE to turn the wellness pollicy into a PR stunt to protect them from a congressional hearing, and then blatently protect their top stars who are obviously using these drugs is just unfair on the unprotected wrestlers and us, the fans.
Jeff wasn't caught using performance enhancers. Recreational drugs
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I was gonna main event
but then I got high

I was gonna win Money in the Bank
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la dada da

Now I'm jobbing to D.H Smith, and I know why
cause I got high, cause I got high, cause I got hiiiiigh
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Old 03-11-2008, 06:03 PM   #118
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wwe.com just annoucned Punk vs Big daddy V for a MITB spot. So it looks like Punk will be taking Jeff's spot in MITB instead of fighting for the ECW title
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Big Daddy V in MiTB would be awesome though
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