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Old 11-02-2008, 10:27 PM   #81
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Hogan wasn't the horrible wrestler he's made out to be. He was fed a constant barrage of shitty "monster" opponents (kind of like The Undertaker would be in the mid 90s). So, he had terrible matches with King Kong Bundy, Andre the Giant, Ultimate Warrior, Zeus, Akeem.... anybody would have. His matches against the likes of Orndorff, Savage and later Ric Flair show a different side of Hogan... a Hogan who could actually wrestle. (Watch his Japan matches against Muta or 1994 WCW matches against Flair as an example).

As for Foley, he was the guy who actually gave Undertaker his first good feud. 'Taker, much like Hogan before him, had picked up a reputation as a shitty wrestler through a series of interminable matches against monster bad guys. If you'd asked anybody in 1992-1995 who the worst in-ring wrestler in the business was, you may be surprised how many would have said Undertaker. Foley brought out a new side of Taker, and set him on the path to where he is today... a big guy who actually has good matches. Foley also MADE Triple H's reputation (I don't care what anyone says, Triple H was NOT effectively getting over in the main event scene until the run with Cactus Jack).

Hogan and Foley, both guys who unfairly picked up 'bad wrestler' labels for their entire careers, but who only really deserved them right at the end.


was gonna rant, but you did it for me
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:29 PM   #82
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Luger's attitude cost him badly throughout his career.

This was the guy who was set to win the WWF World title at WrestleMania X until he bragged about it to everyone, including fans, and they gave the nod to Bret instead. That was the 'inside scoop' anyway.
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:32 PM   #83
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By next year he was an Allied Power. Was that match even announced on the card prior?
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:38 PM   #84
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yea, I don't know if I believe that one anymore because I haven't really heard the story told by a wrestler in all these shoots and what not out there today. might be true, but I am leaning towards no.

It's the whole Summerslam 93 thing (which was before Mania) and his Crockett run that I will argue the most though about it not being his fault
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:40 PM   #85
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By next year he was an Allied Power. Was that match even announced on the card prior?
and within the next two years he was main eventing and a World Champion again

and the most over babyface during the high point nWo era besides Sting.
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:48 PM   #86
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Bad booking did kill his momentum but even if he had won the title at SummerSlam '93, Bret Hart was still the most beloved babyface in the WWF at the time... Luger would have been out of his depth.
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:51 PM   #87
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I agree with that. Plus Bret Hart being the greatest human ever and all helps
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Old 11-02-2008, 11:10 PM   #88
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Old 11-02-2008, 11:36 PM   #89
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From what decades did you see him wrestle?

I've seen his stuff from the 60's and it's damn good. Great psycology, and he mves faster than some of the guys in wwe right now.
I was watching him and Bruser Brody from probably the mid '60s. It COULD have been the '70's, but pretty sure it was the 60's, when I made this thread. It's not like thats the only match of his I've seen mind you, but good lord that one took the cake. He makes late Andre look moble. Dunno dude.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:08 AM   #90
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Mascares definitely.

He only got to where he was because El Santo wasn't available for a movie and they needed a last second replacement.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:13 AM   #91
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Hogan wasn't the horrible wrestler he's made out to be. He was fed a constant barrage of shitty "monster" opponents (kind of like The Undertaker would be in the mid 90s). So, he had terrible matches with King Kong Bundy, Andre the Giant, Ultimate Warrior, Zeus, Akeem.... anybody would have. His matches against the likes of Orndorff, Savage and later Ric Flair show a different side of Hogan... a Hogan who could actually wrestle. (Watch his Japan matches against Muta or 1994 WCW matches against Flair as an example).
Hell, he had a good match in Japan against Stan Hansen. I saw it this year on the Youtube while on a Hansen kick. When I got done watching it, I was instantly pissed off. Why? because Hogan was ripping off American fans for DECADES doing the flex and strut routine when he could legitimately work.

BTW, the Youtube also features Hansen slamming Andre the Giant, with ease.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:58 AM   #92
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If we're talking about how they wrestled in the ring versus their contribution to the industry, I would say Baba withoug question. I used to think Hogan was bad, but when I first saw Baba I was blown away - one of the worst wrestlers I had ever seen, if not the very worst.

And what a freakish look too - I thought he was CGI when I first saw him.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:53 AM   #93
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Hell, he had a good match in Japan against Stan Hansen. I saw it this year on the Youtube while on a Hansen kick. When I got done watching it, I was instantly pissed off. Why? because Hogan was ripping off American fans for DECADES doing the flex and strut routine when he could legitimately work.

BTW, the Youtube also features Hansen slamming Andre the Giant, with ease.
Meh, the style in japan was very different because they expected different, american fans (at the time) really just expected the big powerhouse guys and thats what they got.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:49 PM   #96
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Not American fans... North Eastern fans. Of course, it then spread with the expansion but all Hogan was doing was very wisely catering to the expectations of his audience.
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