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Old 02-02-2009, 10:20 PM   #81
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i honestly dont know who this [Jones] kid is. i honestly dont know what Stephan Bonnar has been up to for the last couple of years or so. and i honestly dont know how the UFC decides which fights get on the main card and which fights go on the undercard.
well, i sure as hell know who he is now. this guy is absolutely amazing. i cant wait to see him fight again.
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Old 02-04-2009, 09:57 AM   #82
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I know alot of guys that could beat Penn in a ground war if they were all greased up.
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:58 PM   #83
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Oh please... he out classed him in every aspect of the fight not just the ground
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Old 02-04-2009, 03:25 PM   #84
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Nope. There's an opportunity for speculation now so I'm taking it.
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That's because BJ is a whiny ass and has an excuse EVERY time he loses.
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Old 02-05-2009, 01:45 PM   #86
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Oh please... he out classed him in every aspect of the fight not just the ground
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Yeah BJ's found his excuse, he's going to hold onto it for dear life.
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Are you fucking kidding? BJ was getting the shit pounded out of his face in r4 especially, and he was still rotating, looking to defend and stay in the fight. Nobody could have showed more heart than BJ in a losing effort.

How can't you see that? He was totally dominated, and doing everything he possible could to keep the fight going. It's like saying Lyoto Machida.... Could be a good fighter, but he needs to work on some technique if he's going to get anywhere.
I dunno, for someone who called GSP out for quitting, he seemed to quit after the 2nd round. It's not like this is the first time BJ has quit in a fight. Dude's hard as nails, but he just doesn't have the heart of a GSP.
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He doesn't have heart period. I like him as a BJJ player, he's fucking phenomenal. But he's fucking lazy, and he holds zero accountability and it drives me up a wall. I can't respect that. And he's the biggest whiny ass in the UFC.
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he talks mad shit and when someone makes him eat it, he ont do it.
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:31 PM   #91
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I guess you're all going to disreguard that this is like te 3rd or 4th time GSP has been accused of being greasy in his fights?
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maybe he's just sweaty. everybody is a fair bit greased. thats why you don't see many fighters with hairy bodies either.
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I'm sure a fighter would be able to tell the diiference between Sweat and grease though.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:22 PM   #94
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Yeah BJ's found his excuse, he's going to hold onto it for dear life.
The NASC actually informed Dana and the UFC during the second round. He didn't find an excuse, and from what I can tell, his team haven't logged a complaint as of yet, and the only interviews he has done he has just seemed sombre and disapointed with the defeat. He hasn't mentioned the vasaline thing at all.

BJ seems to be getting alot of stick here for his words, but he was hyping the fight. This is what fighters who are looking to draw big numbers have done forever. Remember when Matt Hughes owned Royce Gracie and GSP came into the cage and said he wasn't impressed with his performance? It was no different.

And to say he was unfit is rediculous. Did you see that rock running thing he did? Guy was in-shape. It exhausting no matter how fit you are getting your ass kicked.

I think when two guys are so technically close, the other variables will be big factors. BJ weighed 168 and didn't cut a pound, and GSP was on the limit, and probably cut at least 20lbs. He really was fucking huge, and obviously more powerful. But this is why BJ is a 155 fighter, and Georges is 170. It was a good show for everyone to see, and a question that everyone wanted answer, but in the end it was all just a bit inevitable. Size won.
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Size is clearly an issue. But if BJ is bitching about greasing then he shouldn't be. I would be much more ok with it if he just came out, said "you know, I underestimated how big of a jump the weight classes were, and I got match with the guy that was the best in the weight class, what happened happened." I'd be totally cool with it if he just attributed it to the size difference.
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I think you are missing the point. BJ isn't bitching about greasing. It was a big infraction though that was caught by the commission, and if you watch the fight again, the damage GSP did in his guard, and then went on to get better position seemed to be the result of BJ not being able to keep his guard high or closed, because his legs were just gliding down his back, off his shoulders. This was all in the 2nd round. BJ was doing pretty well in the first round.
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gsp would have still whooped his ass if he was covered in crazy glue
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TBH, I think that is one substance that BJ could have used to win....

The damage that fucked BJ up was done in the 2nd... Watch that round again. I think it puts the whole thing in some degree of speculation
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I dunno GSP would stick to the floor in that case.

I heard it was BJs brother going off about it.
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The cornermen should definitely know the rules, otherwise they should not be in there. It is a pretty crappy situation for all involved. GSP's victory will forever be tainted in the eyes of some and to a degree, BJ was put in an unfair fighting situation. If BJ knew about the 'greasing' between the rounds it could have definitely affected him mentally and affected his confidence on the ground.
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I rewatched the fight again and you can definitely tell he was greasy. BJ was trying to move his legs in position to trap GSP's arms and such but tere was no way he could. Kept on sliding off. I want to see a rematch tbh.

And I don't think I've heard BJ bitch about it at all. Just the news and the commision.
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Ok GSP has considerably larger shoulders than Penn and that alone is going to make it hard for him to hold HIGH GAURD on him regardless of whether or not there was any grease. Besides, greasing the upper shoulders isnt going to affect a high gaurd as much as it would a triangle which was never implimented at all in the fight.

For anyone to sit there and say that from looking at the fight, "he looked greasy" is an idiot because they are sweating. Come the second round, after five minutes of hard work, you will look greasy too. Also, if you are hairless like GSP is, you will be even more slippery.

The only time that grease might have affected BJs gaurd was when he went for rubber gaurd, but he also didnt stay in good position holding the arms, so its not hard to slip out of.
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Neither guy was sweating much if at all after the first. The difference between GSP's back in the 2nd and the 3rd is blaitant to see. The way BJ's guard was slipping down constantly proves it aprehended him. GSP does not sweat enough for that to happen. Initially, when they arent both uber sweaty, traction actually should increase. But it didn't, and it allowed GSP to posture up and land the shots that ruinned BJ.

I like you dude, but I am saying he looked greasy, and i'm not an idiot. Nurse rubbed that stuff about half way down his back, not just the top of his shoulders, and from the second BJ went for the rubber, he just wiped it further down his back. He wasn't even sweating at the close of the first, and after he was toweled after the 2nd, he went from gloss to matt. But you blaitantly haven't re-watched the fight. You have however seemingly selected an apposing side of an argument based on evidence with..... well, bullshit really.
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Getting high gaurd on top level competition is hard enough and doing it to someone who is significantly larger and stronger than you at that level, it is near impossible greasing or not.

I havnt rewatched the fight, but I wouldnt say my evidence is bull shit considering I have almost 2 years of jujitsu experience with the top teacher in the area and I can tell you that what BJ wanted to do to GSP from his gaurd was going to be impossible given the size strangth and skill of GSP. Without something else to hang on to your not going to hold high gaurd on GSP or anyone else really. You can only stay there for a short time (because theres no gi to hold on to) before the person on top starts to spaz out and either the gaurd slipps down or the person on top gets out. You need too lock over a shoulder and the back, both arms can still be in, but both legs high accross the back is too taxing on the legs.

With the rubber gaurd, BJ made a mistake by not securing the arm he was coming over with his hand that wasnt grabbing his own leg, greasing didnt do that.

Its not that I like GSP, but he dominated BJ plain and simple. He outstruck him, out wrestled him and out grappled him.
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I know you aren't full of shit, but I called you out as blaitantly not rewatching the fight, let alone round 2. I get your arguement, but the way BJ guard was working, the little sweating from either guy and the fact neither was breathing heavy, even after the first takedown.... It wasn't right. How come BJ can control heavyweights but not Georges from his back? GSP ain't THAT strong. Obviously the Gi is fundamental if you want to use BJJ to beat your stronger opposition, for traction alone.... but when u just begin to sweat, your skin becomes tacky.. Just watch at least the second round again . mmaturf has it, and mmashare. I posted further up this page that BJ was outclassed, but my second viewing was a very different thing. It wasn't the stuggle with the high guard he was working, it was the fact that his legs were just constantly sliding down GSP's back instantly. And like I keep saying, when you start sweating, you don't get that slippery straight away.
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