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Old 03-03-2009, 09:30 PM   #81
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:31 PM   #82
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:54 PM   #83
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How was it not clean? Swagger tagged in, hit his finisher, and pinned him.
It was a sneaky tag, and Swagger blind-sided Christian with his offense? It's something that would have been completely out of the equation in a one-on-one match. He didn't violate any rules, but that doesn't mean that the result is squeaky clean, issue done. Todd Grisham and Matt Striker will sell this on commentary as a screwjob, or something.

Christian will be ECW Champion soon, or he'll be on one of the other two shows.
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:56 PM   #84
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Hey, remember when Punk was getting jobbed out as champion and you all said he'd rebound?

What happened with that again?
Because winning the ECW Championship, Money in the Bank, World Heavyweight Championship, World Tag Team Championship and Intercontinental Championship all within a year is certainly not the WWE building you up for anything. PUNK IS BEING BERRIED!!!!~11
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:32 AM   #85
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Narc, it wasn't fully clean. Technically it wasn't cheating, but neither is the switcharoo pulled by Angle, and later Edge. There are tons of heelish tactics that are "oppurtunist" moves. It shows that he needed to be clever to pick up the win. It isn't a clean, legitimate victory.
You missed the whole point.

Actually, you didn't miss it, because you passed judgement and claimed you knew the scoop without even watching. How ignorant is that? You even went as far as to claim that you don't need to see things, or know the details to know how they are. Yea, okay buddy.
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:34 AM   #86
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Just letting you know that you lose all credibility and make yourself seem like a fool when you behave like that.
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:39 AM   #87
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Behave like what? You don't agree with me so now all of a sudden I'm out of control?

I don't need to see what happened. I know what happened, I've seen it in wrestling a million times. Unseen tag, takes the guy offguard, and gets the win. When you filter out all the bullshit it's a clean win. I fail to see where I've offended you all. I'm just saying that cleanly jobbing Christian out to some new guy from the C show is hurting his credibility IMO. You don't have to agree with me.
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:43 AM   #88
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It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. It's a matter of you being ignorant. You didn't see it, and you claim you don't need to see it, and you're still trying to discuss it. For real?
At first you didn't even know how it went down until I enlightened you, since those results state nothing. You're dense
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:46 AM   #89
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I think it's your logic here that's really off-putting, Narc. Not whether or not we agree or disagree.
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Also, clean pinfalls in tag matches don't really hold the same credibility as a singles match. So on the one hand, Swagger gets to say he pinned Christian, but on the other, it wasn't one on one. And it was literally one move that beat him. It wasn't like Swagger out-wrestled him this week. So last week Christian had the damaged arm that Swagger worked over, and this week a "smart" tag win. It looks good for Swagger, and it really doesn't look terrible for Christian, just like the Swagger losses didn't look bad for him because they were back and forth match-ups. They're building heat between the two instead of just giving them five weeks of pre-Mania promos of talking about how they're going to destroy each other at Mania.
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Jeritron, I have been watching wrestling since I was six years old. I know the spot. It has happened hundreds of times. It isn't rocket science. You act like you explaining what happened changes everything. If it will make you happy I'll watch the damn match but I know exactly what happened, it doesn't change anything. And why can't I discuss it without seeing it? Christian lost cleanly in the middle of the ring to Jack Swagger for the second week in a row after what was supposed to be a huge return. That's all I really need to know. Everything else is useless information. I don't need to know anything else. Why is this a hard concept to understand?

All I wanted to do was complain about Christian being turned into a huge jobber and you guys are the ones that turned it into a huge arguement. Not I.
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Huge jobber=Santino Marella. Christian right now=working on this program with Swagger.
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Behave like what? You don't agree with me so now all of a sudden I'm out of control?

I don't need to see what happened. I know what happened, I've seen it in wrestling a million times. Unseen tag, takes the guy offguard, and gets the win. When you filter out all the bullshit it's a clean win. I fail to see where I've offended you all. I'm just saying that cleanly jobbing Christian out to some new guy from the C show is hurting his credibility IMO. You don't have to agree with me.
Of course it's clean when you filter out the bullshit. But that bullshit is what makes it "dirty" in the first place.
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:17 AM   #94
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It cracks me up that you guys are waiting for this eventual rise to the top that isn't going to happen. Listen, if the WWE wants a guy to a a star, they are going to do everything in their power to make it happen. Guys that they are trying to push towards eventual success have gimmicks or angles to help get them there. WWE brought Xtian back unnanounced on a show that very few people watch in comparison to their other shows and put him in a fued with a guy that alot of people don't even know. That isn't how you treat somebody that you want to hold a world title at some point. I think you guys kinda need to get over it all right now rather than later. They aren't going to do much with him. If WWE wants a guy to succeed, he's probably going to succeed. I don't even think that they don't want him to succeed, I just don't think they care.

You don't bring in a guy off a huge comeback to a low rated show and job him out to a relatively unknown guy if you want him to succeed. Sorry.
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You don't put a guy you want to hold a world title in a feud for a world title?
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It's not canon. Pretty soon I won't care for Christian.
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:25 AM   #98
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Who exactly do you think Christian is? Because I think he's a mega-talented guy that the WWE offered more money than TNA was, that unfortunately is not on the level where he deserves a big celebration for his return.

I don't feel like going through this all again, but there are plenty of reasons why Christian would return to ECW. To be honest, it's a pretty smart move by the WWE, and my hat's off to them. The guy isn't even on Rey Mysterio's level yet, so putting him in a space where he can be a big fish in the small pond will make him look like a bigger deal when he crosses over.

Also, just because smarks rip into ECW, doesn't mean the WWE doesn't see a purpose in it. They want it to make money for them, and not lose it. Putting Christian as the head of that brand is a massive thing for him to be doing fresh off returning from the competition he chose to go work for.

Now, I'm not of the opinion that Christian needs to be buried for leaving, or pay dues again, that's carny shit. The fact is, the very responsibility that Christian has been given thus far is indicative of the WWE wanting results from him.

You mention that when the WWE wants to create a star, they will: Has it ever occured to you that the WWE wants to turn both Christian and Jack Swagger into stars? Everyone seems to make this about Christian all the time, but he is in a program with a guy. Why do so many people want to see Swagger's heat all chopped up and fed to Christian? The WWE is trying to do right by both men right now, and I'd say they are doing a pretty good job.
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Am I supposed to pretend that ECW is on the same plane as RAW and Smackdown? I feel that alot of you do. While you make valiant efforts to make the show seem credible, let's get real here. Can we just tell the truth here for a second? I agree that ECW is a great prgram but it's on a channel that many cable companies don't carry, it has a shitty tuesday slot, doesn't get near the ratings that the other shows do, and all of the talent consists of guys that WWE didn't know what else to do with so they stuck them there. I think we need to get off this whole "He's wrestling a World Champion" horse we are on right now. It isn't nearly the same as Edge or Triple H with their respective belts and we all know it. Former ECW Champion Chavo Guerrero was squashed in a minute or so by Cena a couple weeks ago. The ECW championship means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things in the WWE.
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Obviously, the Chavo project was a failure, so using him as an example is iffy, because you can have a failed reign even if you're the WWE or WH champion.

But I think the biggest thing holding ECW back is all the smarks and uber-smarks who refuse to give ECW a shred of credit. Sure, the ECW title may not be up to par with the other World Titles, but it's more than just the "C-Show title" and there's something to say about the title being booked on every PPV card.
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There's also something to be said about it being booked at the beginning of the card.
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Obviously your mind is made up about this issue. No sense in arguing about it.
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Card placement is a whole other issue.
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Look at it the WWE's way. Is there Intercontinental Championship Wrestling on Tuesday nights? No one is saying that the ECW belt is on par with the WWE title, but it does get defended at every PPV. I'm not saying that's how I want it to be, but that's the reality of it. They are much more consistant in booking the ECW title than the IC title, and a little more than the US title.
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Old 03-04-2009, 03:05 AM   #105
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Yeah, but the IC and US belts are featured on standard WWE programming that people watch. Of course the ECW Championship is defended most every paperview. If it wasn't then nobody would ever even SEE the ECW Champion, considering how few watch ECW.
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Old 03-04-2009, 03:14 AM   #106
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The ECW title is defended at every PPV because it's a World title. C-show or not, ECW's main event programs get put over the IC and US titles almost every time so do with that what you will.
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All I wanted to do was complain about Christian being turned into a huge jobber
IT'S ONLY BEEN TWO FUCKING MATCHES. THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM A HUGE JOBBER. GET THE FUCK OVER IT FOR NOW!!!!


Now that's off my chest, if it's still happening in 3 months time please, feel free to come b ackto this thread.
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Am I supposed to pretend that ECW is on the same plane as RAW and Smackdown? I feel that alot of you do. While you make valiant efforts to make the show seem credible, let's get real here. Can we just tell the truth here for a second? I agree that ECW is a great prgram but it's on a channel that many cable companies don't carry, it has a shitty tuesday slot, doesn't get near the ratings that the other shows do, and all of the talent consists of guys that WWE didn't know what else to do with so they stuck them there. I think we need to get off this whole "He's wrestling a World Champion" horse we are on right now. It isn't nearly the same as Edge or Triple H with their respective belts and we all know it. Former ECW Champion Chavo Guerrero was squashed in a minute or so by Cena a couple weeks ago. The ECW championship means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things in the WWE.
No, the ECW Championship means something. It definitely doesn't mean as much as the World Heavyweight Title or WWE Title, and the WWE often can't decide whether they really want to consider the ECW Champion a "World Champion" (otherwise the Royal Rumble winner would consistently tease potentially going after the ECW Title, and I think only Taker has done that), but the ECW Title is above the mid-card level. Being ECW Champion means more than being IC Champion or US Champion.

You are thinking like a smark. "ECW means nothing, nobody watches it." Hardly anyone watches RAW these days; that doesn't mean shit. There are rumours floating around that MyNetworkTV is about to fold, so SmackDown! will have to change networks. If it doesn't find a big place right away, are we meant to suddenly assume it means shit? Did the NWA mean shit when it wasn't on television? Different eras, but the kayfabe value of a man has never been measured by things like ratings and timeslots. It's always been about the superficial aestetics and the creative portrayal. ECW has the same level production and is part of the same creative universe as anything else in the WWE. Get over it.
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The kayfabe title hierarchy looks something like this. I've sorted them into groups (putting the World Titles together, Tag Titles together, etc.):

WWE Championship
World Heavyweight Championship

ECW Championship

Intercontinental Championship
United States Championship

World Tag Team Championship
WWE Tag Team Championship

Women's Championship
Divas Championship
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Old 03-04-2009, 05:36 AM   #110
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Old 03-04-2009, 03:25 PM   #111
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Old 03-05-2009, 01:37 PM   #112
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I don't think that Christian's WWE future is doomed by any stretch solely from what's been happening on ECW. I will say that I am enjoying Jack Swagger more than Christian right now, though.
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The kayfabe title hierarchy looks something like this. I've sorted them into groups (putting the World Titles together, Tag Titles together, etc.):

WWE Championship
World Heavyweight Championship

ECW Championship

Intercontinental Championship
United States Championship

World Tag Team Championship
WWE Tag Team Championship

Women's Championship
Divas Championship
Bullshit. The ECW title should be at the top of the midcard section, not by itself.
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Old 03-05-2009, 01:53 PM   #114
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Oh shit, I forgot this thread about about Mark Henry in Money in the Bank. I'm not thrilled about it, but I don't really hate it either. Mark Henry has been growing on me, I'm ashamed to say.
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The Christian debate is bunk until atleast another 3 months.
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Look at Swagger's face as Christian makes his way to the ring on this past ECW. I think Swagger is going to get entirely too confident with Christian and Christian will catch him off guard at just the right time to capture the ECW title.

....but here's the the twist. I think Swagger will win it back from him right before Christian gets drafted to a different show.
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I see Dreamer winning MitB and challenging Swagger that night.
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