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Old 10-25-2009, 02:48 AM   #1
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BREAKING NEWS

Dana says Shogun is getting an immediate rematch and he thought Shogun won.
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Old 10-25-2009, 02:53 AM   #2
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Fuck that. Just reply. This is meant to be fun.
Alright, just because Rob asked me.

1. RP, in all honesty, I'm not arguing with you. I, wait for it, actually AGREE with you. IF you weren't hopped up on your bitchfit, you'd realize that.

2. All I was doing was explaining HOW those dumbshit judges could have made such a decision. I stated that I didn't necessarily AGREE with the explanation.

3. Do I think Machida won Round 3? yes. Do I myself think he won Rounds 1 and 2? not really. I could see how they could go either way.

The real enemy isn't the Mighty 'Kai. The real enemy is the BULLSHIT JUDGING.
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Alright, just because Rob asked me.

1. RP, in all honesty, I'm not arguing with you. I, wait for it, actually AGREE with you. IF you weren't hopped up on your bitchfit, you'd realize that.

2. All I was doing was explaining HOW those dumbshit judges could have made such a decision. I stated that I didn't necessarily AGREE with the explanation.

3. Do I think Machida won Round 3? yes. Do I myself think he won Rounds 1 and 2? not really. I could see how they could go either way.

The real enemy isn't the Mighty 'Kai. The real enemy is the BULLSHIT JUDGING.
Look, i'm not a huge fan of either fighter. I've never been. I can honeslty tell you from my experience watching fights, which is alot of experience, Machida didnt win not one single round of this fight. The only round in question was the 5th. And i dont even think he won that round. The first 3 rounds where dominated...i said DOMINATED.. by Shogun. It wasnt close. Thats why i'm on such a bitch fit right now.
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Look, i'm not a huge fan of either fighter. I've never been. I can honeslty tell you from my experience watching fights, which is alot of experience, Machida didnt win not one single round of this fight. The only round in question was the 5th. And i dont even think he won that round. The first 3 rounds where dominated...i said DOMINATED.. by Shogun. It wasnt close. Thats why i'm on such a bitch fit right now.
Just to clear things up for in the morning:

RP scored the fight: 50-45 Shogun
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Remember Couture vs. Sylvia? Imagine if they gave Sylvia that decision.
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Bisping vs Hamil decision on fucking crack
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Okay, everyone is a little miffed right now. You're not reading posts, and you're just making wild accusations.

I've agreed with everything everyone has said this far, except that the fight was rigged.

But I understand the anger, I'd be pissed too if I was a Shogun fan. The truth is I'm not a fan of either of these guys.

But I'm not going to fan the flames or try to douse them anymore, I'm just going to let you guys blow your stack and feel better for doing so.

I'll come back when everyone isn't so crazy.
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Okay, everyone is a little miffed right now. You're not reading posts, and you're just making wild accusations.

I've agreed with everything everyone has said this far, except that the fight was rigged.

But I understand the anger, I'd be pissed too if I was a Shogun fan. The truth is I'm not a fan of either of these guys.

But I'm not going to fan the flames or try to douse them anymore, I'm just going to let you guys blow your stack and feel better for doing so.

I'll come back when everyone isn't so crazy.
i'm not a Shogun fan - and i'm pissed! this is a worse screw job than when Bisping got a decision over Hammil.
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i'm not a Shogun fan - and i'm pissed! this is a worse screw job than when Bisping got a decision over Hammil.
Akiyama and Belcher this year was worse than Bisping and Hamill.

I was at the Bisping vs. Hamill fight and just about everyone there thought Hamill won. I heard the arguements from the judges on how they scored it for Bisping and I could see their points but I didn't agree. That was a split decision and two different 29-28 scores (and Bisping did win 1 round).

Tonight Machida did not convincingly win a single round and there is no possible way you could debate he won a round convincingly. And this was a 5 round fight! 10 times worse decision.
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Actually, just come back after you watch the fight. You're being stupid commenting on it without having seen it.
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Actually, just come back after you watch the fight. You're being stupid commenting on it without having seen it.
One last thing.

I never commented on the fight.

I commented on everyone's reaction.
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I'd love someone that actually watched the fight live to tell me Shogun lost the fight. Cause you cant.
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3 judges could.
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Yah. That tells me its rigged.
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Still cannot get over Shogun's strategy and execution. Holy fucking shit it was a thing of beauty. Yea, it was a shit decision but I'll manage to sleep at night. Not THAT emotionally invested in UFC.

But still. Tactical masterpiece.
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Still cannot get over Shogun's strategy and execution. Holy fucking shit it was a thing of beauty. Yea, it was a shit decision but I'll manage to sleep at night. Not THAT emotionally invested in UFC.

But still. Tactical masterpiece.
There was no point in the match were Machinda hurt him or even stunned him for that matter. Shogun outclassed him in ever aspect of the match. It was so fucking shocking when they said Machida won.
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There was no point in the match were Machinda hurt him or even stunned him for that matter. Shogun outclassed him in ever aspect of the match. It was so fucking shocking when they said Machida won.
Ok? I completely agree.


All Machida had in the last two rounds were those step in knees to the body. He couldn't get any power in his hands. His legs and ribs were fucked. Zero ability to generate power from lunging or hip movement. I really think Shogun coulda dropped the hammer and finished him instead of waiting for the decision. Still, that's no excuse for the decision rendered.
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Ok? I completely agree.


All Machida had in the last two rounds were those step in knees to the body. He couldn't get any power in his hands. His legs and ribs were fucked. Zero ability to generate power from lunging or hip movement. I really think Shogun coulda dropped the hammer and finished him instead of waiting for the decision. Still, that's no excuse for the decision rendered.
I don't think he saw much of a need to go for the finish, seeing as how the fight was so overwhelmingly one sided.
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I don't think he saw much of a need to go for the finish, seeing as how the fight was so overwhelmingly one sided.
Yea I agree. I can see how in his mind it was better to take the decision than risk Machida KO'ing him if he tried to finish the fight. But the more I mull it over the more I think Shogun could have finished the fight, especially towards the end of the 4th and into the 5th. Like I said before, Machida's power generation was nonexistent by that time in the fight.
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I literally almost dropped my beer on the floor when i saw them put the belt around Machida. I've never felt like this about any fight in my entire life. I'm not even a fan of either. Thats the thing. It's not like i've been some huge Shogun fanboi or something.
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I'm not a fan of either really but that doesn't stop you thinking its the worst decision ever.
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To be fair, I felt the same way about the Kimbo/Colossus stoppage.

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Machida has been asked about 5 times if he thought he won and he has answered the same everytime - 3 judges said he did.

So he doesn't believe it really.
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I'm just mainly pissed because I was right in the middle of posting some sort of hilarious "Shogun slayed the Dragon" zinger when I heard the decision. Judges ruined my fucking comedy vibe.
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First round was debatable, but I'd say you're dead on.
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We agree on everything but on one round, which I'm happy to agree to disagree on. End of the day, Shogun was robbed.
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Terrible, terrible decision. Just awful. I was pulling for Machida too.
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It's such a shame I'm here to post spoilers eh
Fuck it. It'd only be a spoiler if you'd said Machida won and you happened to be one of the judges.
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Old 10-25-2009, 03:09 AM   #31
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Doc Hamilton scored rounds 2,3 and 4 for Machida.
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Seriously, the Dumbshit judges need to be round up and shot.
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Calm down you maniacs.

The first 2 rounds were really, really, really close for mine. I though Machida quite clearly won 3 and Shogun quite clearly won 4 and 5. Welcome to a sport where you win a match based not on how you perform overall but on a round to round basis.

I don't get how Hamilton gave 4 to Machida... thats weird but I can certainly SEE how he won the first 3. It was a competitive fight and you would have to be some kind of lunatic not to see how close the first two rounds were.
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Old 10-25-2009, 03:19 AM   #35
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Calm down you maniacs.

The first 2 rounds were really, really, really close for mine. I though Machida quite clearly won 3 and Shogun quite clearly won 4 and 5. Welcome to a sport where you win a match based not on how you perform overall but on a round to round basis.

I don't get how Hamilton gave 4 to Machida... thats weird but I can certainly SEE how he won the first 3. It was a competitive fight and you would have to be some kind of lunatic not to see how close the first two rounds were.
You didnt watch the fight. You can say you did, but you didnt. Anyone that actually watched the fight saw that Shogun won. You sir, did not watch the fight. Bye. Just leave the conversation. You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.
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Calm down you maniacs.

The first 2 rounds were really, really, really close for mine. I though Machida quite clearly won 3 and Shogun quite clearly won 4 and 5. Welcome to a sport where you win a match based not on how you perform overall but on a round to round basis.

I don't get how Hamilton gave 4 to Machida... thats weird but I can certainly SEE how he won the first 3. It was a competitive fight and you would have to be some kind of lunatic not to see how close the first two rounds were.
Same here. I had the first two rounds were close, but I leaned towards Shogun on both. I was far from happy that Machida won, but I am pissed at the judges, not Machida or Dana. Cecil Peoples has a reputation of not even WATCHING the fight half the time, as pictures have shown him, a Judge for multiple Athletic Commissions, talking on his cell phone with his back to the cage. wtf.

Hamilton I haven't heard as much about, but he's made some bad calls.

The system needs to be fixed, the fight wasn't.
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I'd debate he won 3 convincingly and nobody dominated 1 and 2 and they could have quite clearly gone either way. Thats a points decision right there.
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This should be a lesson to any fighter to never rely on the judges to decide a match in your favor. There have been some controversial decisions before but nothing at this level. This fight is evidence that a fight can go any way when it comes to the judges. And that's just an unfortunate part of this sport.

I had Rua winning 4 rounds to 1 but I can see how it could have been 3 rounds to 2. Definitely do not think Rua won every round.
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Maybe you should watch a replay when you wipe the tears from you eye

I gave Machida 1 and 3 and Shogun 2,4,5. I am not SHOCKED that two judges gave Machida round 2 though. It was a close round. I am a little shocked that a judge gave Machida 4 but well thats sport.

Some of you people are literally crying over a points decision in a match that was competitive as hell. Blame the system.
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