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Old 11-07-2009, 10:49 PM   #81
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There would be nowhere for Holliday to play in Philly. Either him or Ibanez would have to end up in right field, and then Jayson Werth would be out of a job. So it's not gonna happen...thank fuck.
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Old 11-08-2009, 04:44 AM   #82
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There would be nowhere for Holliday to play in Philly. Either him or Ibanez would have to end up in right field, and then Jayson Werth would be out of a job. So it's not gonna happen...thank fuck.
I would glady get rid of Shane Victorino.
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:21 AM   #83
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Yeah, as awesome as Victorino can be he is one of the dumbest baseball players today. Just makes stupid baserunning mistakes constantly.
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I would glady get rid of Shane Victorino.
Yeah but does Werth play center? Ibanez and Holliday definitely won't. Either way that might make for the worst defensive OF in the league
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I think my biggest feeling of hope for the Yanks NOT signing Holliday would be that Damon right now is the perfect #2 hitter for them...and it would be a good idea to bring him back.

Obv they could always sign Holliday AND bring back Damon, but then Johnny would be reduced to DH duty and I'm pretty sure they want to continue easing Posada into that role. Unless they moved Johnny or Holliday to RF which would be stupid. If they do get Holliday though, just let them hold onto the 2010 trophy cause that's prolly where it'd end up anyway.

Seriously though, as soon as the Yanks back down from Holliday, my hope for the Mets getting him will skyrocket. Can't wait for free agency to start.
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I would glady get rid of Shane Victorino.
As a Met fan, I would gladly take Shane Victorino. The guy plays with heart and a whole lot of balls. Something we seem to lack at times.
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Yeah, as awesome as Victorino can be he is one of the dumbest baseball players today. Just makes stupid baserunning mistakes constantly.
He's a moron. He has no baseball instincts. Every fly ball with him in center is adventure because he always takes the wrong angles to the ball.
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Yeah but does Werth play center? Ibanez and Holliday definitely won't. Either way that might make for the worst defensive OF in the league
Werth is a natural Center fielder.
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You can probably get more in return for Werth, but I'd rather keep him.
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As a Met fan, I would gladly take Shane Victorino. The guy plays with heart and a whole lot of balls. Something we seem to lack at times.
Yeah the is true... He is good, but he pisses me off.

There is no way the Phillies get Holliday though.
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How can anyone aside from Philly fans like Shane Victorino. That guy is such a little weasel. Hate him
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Old 11-08-2009, 03:38 PM   #91
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I think my biggest feeling of hope for the Yanks NOT signing Holliday would be that Damon right now is the perfect #2 hitter for them...and it would be a good idea to bring him back.

Obv they could always sign Holliday AND bring back Damon, but then Johnny would be reduced to DH duty and I'm pretty sure they want to continue easing Posada into that role. Unless they moved Johnny or Holliday to RF which would be stupid. If they do get Holliday though, just let them hold onto the 2010 trophy cause that's prolly where it'd end up anyway.

Seriously though, as soon as the Yanks back down from Holliday, my hope for the Mets getting him will skyrocket. Can't wait for free agency to start.
Right now you guys can have him. I'd much rather give Damon a two year deal with an option for a third more then giving Holliday a six or 7 year deal.

But, if by chance we do get Holliday. As much of a Johnny Damon fan I am I would much rather go after Lackey. Because unless Pettite comes back we've seriously got 3 question marks on our starting pitching.

Wang? Can he go back to the way that he was pitching before his injury?

Joba? Is he ready to be a starter yet?

Hughes? Aceves? Kennedy? Gaudin?

So if we get anyone with Holliday I hope they realize they need to do one thing or both.

1. Trade for a competitive starter. And or.........

2. Get John Lackey during the offseason.

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Holy fuck, Sammy Sosa.

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Phillies decline option on Pedro Feliz.
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There is a possible trade between Toronto and the D-backs.

Chris Snyder for Lyle Overbay. Right now the trade talks are on hold though.
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Toronto backed off. They heard about Snyder's surgically repaired neck.
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Really? I had just heard that the trade talk was put on hold. Which brings me wonder I wonder if Lyle Overbay will be traded for someone else.
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Right now you guys can have him. I'd much rather give Damon a two year deal with an option for a third more then giving Holliday a six or 7 year deal.

But, if by chance we do get Holliday. As much of a Johnny Damon fan I am I would much rather go after Lackey. Because unless Pettite comes back we've seriously got 3 question marks on our starting pitching.

Wang? Can he go back to the way that he was pitching before his injury?

Joba? Is he ready to be a starter yet?

Hughes? Aceves? Kennedy? Gaudin?

So if we get anyone with Holliday I hope they realize they need to do one thing or both.

1. Trade for a competitive starter. And or.........

2. Get John Lackey during the offseason.
I agree that 6/7 years for Holliday is too much...problem is Mets are faced in a similar situation that they've found themselves in in the past. They had to give Pedro 4 years, they had to give Beltran 7, had to give Wagner 4, etc...pretty much, when they are in a serious position of need at a certain area they are willing to overpay and worry about the consequences later.

Like I said, if they are intent on going balls out next year I'd LOVE for them to trade for Adrian Gonzalez in addition to getting a #2 starter and probably an extra bat, but I can't see it ALL getting accomplished.
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I agree that 6/7 years for Holliday is too much...problem is Mets are faced in a similar situation that they've found themselves in in the past. They had to give Pedro 4 years, they had to give Beltran 7, had to give Wagner 4, etc...pretty much, when they are in a serious position of need at a certain area they are willing to overpay and worry about the consequences later.

Like I said, if they are intent on going balls out next year I'd LOVE for them to trade for Adrian Gonzalez in addition to getting a #2 starter and probably an extra bat, but I can't see it ALL getting accomplished.
Yeah, someone like A-Gon would really help you out. But remember he's not a FA. So there is a possibility you could get screwed. How much is to much when you are dealing for Adrian? Do they have the chips it takes to get Adrian?

Realize that the Red Sox may be in on this too. And if they actually give up Clay or Bard in a package I regret to inform you that you may not have the prospects to top that.
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According to early indications, Padres want the trade to be mainly high-level prospects and not that much in terms of MLB players. Padres also want to cut their team salary more than match up salaries.

http://www.nesn.com/2009/11/adrian-g...ox-lineup.html
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If the Red Sox decided to not make the move I think the Mets would have enough. Their prospects are looked at pretty favorably, it's just that most haven't passed Double-A yet.

I dunno, it really depends on the Pads' desperation. Gonzo is signed through this year and then a team option next year...but when Towers got canned he was pretty outspoken that the Pads wanna deal him ASAP since they are awhile away from competing. No idea.
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Great...so pretty much every baseball writer is saying Matt Holliday would be a bad choice for Citi Field because of his David Wright-like power to right center.

Only the Mets would build a stadium that makes the deepest part of the park the area that your franchise player has the most power.
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Who bats behind Jeter or before Jeter if he;s leadoff/second up?

Damon, that's who. Holliday for Damon is a poor decision. If you kept Damon and let Matsui go. He may leave anyway and move Posada as well, then You free up this whole DH issue. Matsui may leave on his own anyway and Posada is a guy you could let go. Not too sure why he's not being considered more as a moveable piece.
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I don't know, as much as Posada seemed to have a bunch of mental break downs this postseason, the guy is a really good hitter for a catcher.
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When does Ruiz's current contract run out? Cashman should camp out in his yard, start moving Posada to more DH time
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Tim Wakefield gets a new 2-year deal with the Red Sox. They declined Jason Varitek's $5 mil. option, but he's got 5 days to take up his $3 mil. player option.
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I hope he doesnt take the option, signs with the Tigers for an incentive laden deal, and helps Avila to teach him the ropes of being a catcher
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Rays pick up Carl Crawford's $10 million option. Probably still gonna trade him somewhere though.
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Rosenthal reports a three-way trade in the works between the Cubs, Mets and Blue Jays.

Blue Jays get Milton Bradley.
Cubs get Luis Castillo.
Mets get Lyle Overbay.

Again, it's not official, just in the works.
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Old 11-09-2009, 08:17 PM   #113
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I'd definitely sign off on that. Overbay's only making $1M more than Castillo and will be gone after 1 year as opposed to 2 for Luis. As much as I love Murph, Overbay is an offensive upgrade but especially a defensive upgrade. Also, frees up space to get Hudson.

I do wonder what that means for Murph though. Either he gets a full year of 1B seasoning at Triple A which would seem kind of odd since usually you do that BEFORE the guy gets a full MLB season under his belt, or they plan on making him part of a trade package.

Terrible deal for the Jays though. Gotta put up with Milton's shit for two years on top of having Vernon Wells' unmovable deal.
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Old 11-09-2009, 08:26 PM   #114
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Tim Hudson's three-year extensions with the Braves will probably be announced soon, unless he pulls a Furcal.
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Who bats behind Jeter or before Jeter if he;s leadoff/second up?

Damon, that's who. Holliday for Damon is a poor decision. If you kept Damon and let Matsui go. He may leave anyway and move Posada as well, then You free up this whole DH issue. Matsui may leave on his own anyway and Posada is a guy you could let go. Not too sure why he's not being considered more as a moveable piece.
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Old 11-09-2009, 09:10 PM   #116
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I literally jumped out of my seat with Joy when I saw the possible 3 way deal. Getting rid of Louie is overdue. Yes I know he had a good year last year but I just want him gone. I want O Dog to come where he really wants to play. Get his defense and a bat with some more pop.

As for Overbay, great glove solid bat. I think what he is is what many think Murph can become. Atleast I'm in that camp, the .280 type hitter with 15-20 bombs and 80 rbi's. It would be a sad day for me If Murph does get dealt since I'm a huge suporter of him, but we shall see what happens.
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Adam Jones supposedly won a gold glove..according to twitter/facebook/myspace/word on the net. Its officially announced tomorrow so I can believe it maybe...Personally I think Markakis should have won but hey..

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Sounds like the deal is a longshot now, and the Jays GM isn't sure if he wants a trade for Bradley to be his first major move.

Knew it'd be too good to be true.
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Sounds like the deal is a longshot now, and the Jays GM isn't sure if he wants a trade for Bradley to be his first major move.

Knew it'd be too good to be true.
I don't blame him though, who would want to take a player that any moment could snap or cause more distractions than normal during a season. Probably better to make the 1st deal be something safe or small rather than a huge risk that could backfire within weeks.
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Wakefield for 2 more years? What the? I thought they had an automatic roll over type contract with a joint option at the end of season?

Don't think the Red Sox are gonna make any huge moves this off-season. If they didn't get in on any of the action last off-season what makes this year different? Ownership got their 2 titles, don't think they are gonna be so willing to just toss cash around like before.
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