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Old 07-23-2012, 11:29 PM   #1161
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:30 PM   #1162
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I'm cautiously optimistic this may be a Punk heel turn.

We can't be sure yet, however. The St Louis crowd was booing CM Punk during his promo with Rock and Daniel Bryan, so it may be part of the "Chicago/St Louis" rivalry, who knows?

Or they may just like The Rock so much that they'll boo whoever does anything to him.

But if Punk does indeed turn, awesome.
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Only reasons I hate the heel turn are A) I prefer Punk as a "straight shooter" and not a typical cheating heel like I feel like they're going to make him and B) He's not gonna be able to be put over as "the man" as a heel. He's basically a lock to lose the title to Rock at Rumble so we can have Rock-Cena two at WrestleMania and Punk can continue to be out of the picture.

I really want a good new guy to be put over in the main event at WrestleMania and Punk was that chance. Ah well.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:30 PM   #1164
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in terms of Austin, maybe he turned it down/it was never on the cards. Bigger impact if he shows up "down the road" and odds are new heel CM Punk is going to need a WrestleMania opponent
As soon as I read that, I thought that maybe having Austin show up, might have overshadowed Punk's heel turn, maybe?
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I am not sure if Punk will get over as a heel. Plus his DVD is coming out. WTF? Maybe it was just for self preservation.
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I'm cautiously optimistic this may be a Punk heel turn.

We can't be sure yet, however. The St Louis crowd was booing CM Punk during his promo with Rock and Daniel Bryan, so it may be part of the "Chicago/St Louis" rivalry, who knows?

Or they may just like The Rock so much that they'll boo whoever does anything to him.

But if Punk does indeed turn, awesome.
doubt they're gonna have King putting over Punk "turning on the WWE Universe" if that's not the direction they're heading
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As for now I'm holding out hope that they are going with a new age of "anti-hero" with him as opposed to a full heel turn and make him the victim against Rock stealing the spotlight.

Basically re-do Rock vs Cena from last year but with a guy that most of the crowd might actually get behind against Rock.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:33 PM   #1169
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:33 PM   #1170
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doubt they're gonna have King putting over Punk "turning on the WWE Universe" if that's not the direction they're heading

I wonder if the whole "incident" Punk had at the St Louis airport was all a part of this.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:33 PM   #1171
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First thing I thought of when he walked out of the ring dejectedly while Rock was running in was when Eve told Punk how he'd been overshadowed all this time by Rock, Cena, Lesnar, etc. a few weeks ago.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:34 PM   #1172
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As soon as I read that, I though that maybe having Austin show up, might have overshadowed Punk's heel turn, maybe?
absolutely would have, would have been too much. That ending put Punk smack bang in the spotlight, doesn't come off half as well if he's lying on the ground while Austin drinks beer. They have long term plans in motion in terms of Rock/Cena by the looks of it, if Austin/Punk happens it can be built up in the regular Rumble-to-Mania build amount of time (or any amount of time from here onwards)
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:34 PM   #1173
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The end game here is great. Rock as champ vs Cena (losing most likely) and then Punk as heel vs austin.

This is just Jericho again. Too much hoping on my part.
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Only reasons I hate the heel turn are A) I prefer Punk as a "straight shooter" and not a typical cheating heel like I feel like they're going to make him and B) He's not gonna be able to be put over as "the man" as a heel. He's basically a lock to lose the title to Rock at Rumble so we can have Rock-Cena two at WrestleMania and Punk can continue to be out of the picture.

I really want a good new guy to be put over in the main event at WrestleMania and Punk was that chance. Ah well.
I would prefer Punk/Rock for Mania. idkk with this it's almost a lock it will be at the Rumble. Hope not, maybe Punk can lose title beforehand and challenge Rock for it at Mania
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Daniel Bryan and CM Punk vs Rock and Cena at Summerslam?
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:36 PM   #1176
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Only reasons I hate the heel turn are A) I prefer Punk as a "straight shooter" and not a typical cheating heel like I feel like they're going to make him and B) He's not gonna be able to be put over as "the man" as a heel. He's basically a lock to lose the title to Rock at Rumble so we can have Rock-Cena two at WrestleMania and Punk can continue to be out of the picture.

I really want a good new guy to be put over in the main event at WrestleMania and Punk was that chance. Ah well.
That is one reason I see him doing what he did. The Rock comes around a few times a year, gets a WWE title shot, and has a chance to main event WM yet again and CM Punk (looked as the new guy to be put over in the main event) AGAIN has to take a back seat to Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. I think he took the opportunity to lay a message to The Rock. I don't see how we are shooting the gun to think he has turned. Didn't Cena hit the Rock suprisingly before WM 27 and nobody labeled that as a heel turn? I can't wait to find out next week why.
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absolutely would have, would have been too much. That ending put Punk smack bang in the spotlight, doesn't come off half as well if he's lying on the ground while Austin drinks beer. They have long term plans in motion in terms of Rock/Cena by the looks of it, if Austin/Punk happens it can be built up in the regular Rumble-to-Mania build amount of time (or any amount of time from here onwards)
I agree. Doesnt mean he couldnt have been on the card earlier. Hes the biggest Raw star ever (Not going to argue the rock) and I think he should have showed even in a smaller roll. I saw Swoggle and Santino on my screen for 5 wasted minutes.
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The end game here is great. Rock as champ vs Cena (losing most likely) and then Punk as heel vs austin.

This is just Jericho again. Too much hoping on my part.
Who's losing most likely? Cena or Rock? Can't see any way Cena loses against Rock for the title at WrestleMania. Rock's not coming back full time and for him to have a reign longer than just Rumble to WrestleMania, he'd have to. Not to mention the fact that I can't see how/why they would have Rock just go over Cena AGAIN.
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I doubt they can keep this up for 3 hours for long... If they actually had people WRESTLE and had multple angles entertwined, some stables, a tag and diva divison. Them a 3 hour Raw could work. Oh yeah, they may need to get rid of Superstars...
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Punk beating on Rock isn't shocking like WWE intended it to be. Rock's just been fighting Cena for the past year, the biggest face ever. The only thing that made it clear to me that it's a heel turn was King saying he's turned his back on the WWE Universe. Otherwise I wouldn't know it at all.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:38 PM   #1181
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Great RAW this week. Might have been short on matches but tonight was all about celebration. Loved all the obscure references and Slick's face when AJ rejected Bryan.

Punk turning heel and a feud against the Rock will really benefit him especially after the Bryan-Punk feud which had amazing matches ended last week. Did seem weird he was unwilling to take advantage of Cena getting KO'ed but moments later clobbered the Rock for no reason.

Cena winning the case seems like a cop-out or wasted too quickly since the streak didn't end nor Cena didn't get the title either. Him wanting a regular match and Big Show's first run in would have been the perfect way to end it.
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That is one reason I see him doing what he did. The Rock comes around a few times a year, gets a WWE title shot, and has a chance to main event WM yet again and CM Punk (looked as the new guy to be put over in the main event) AGAIN has to take a back seat to Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. I think he took the opportunity to lay a message to The Rock. I don't see how we are shooting the gun to think he has turned. Didn't Cena hit the Rock suprisingly before WM 27 and nobody labeled that as a heel turn? I can't wait to find out next week why.
I HOPE they're going that direction in a Cena-Rock style feud. Punk's reaction as he walked down the aisle and Lawler's comment though makes me worry...
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Great RAW, even though I too was expecting and disappointed with a lack of Austin.

I think Punk can do a great job as a heel, with his own version of the arrogant, bitter, "overshadowed", "top" company guy, who can actually work and talk, ala Jericho.
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Bigger impact if he shows up "down the road" and odds are new heel CM Punk is going to need a WrestleMania opponent
Austin has said that if he was to have one more match, it'd be against Punk.

So I truly believe that Austin not appearing tonight (not even in a pre-recorded video message) was done so the focus would be on Punk's heel turn, and WWE decided to keep Austin "cool", so when he does in fact return for an angle with Punk, it'll just be madness because the WWE Universe hasn't seen him in so long.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:40 PM   #1187
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Not having Austin appear was baffling to say the least.

Hope Punk plays this as an anti-hero like last year after the pipebomb. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:40 PM   #1188
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I'm actually in the minority as well as its not a heel turn, he just doesn't like the Rock coming in for the spotlight. Makes sense. I find it hard to believe they would put him on the Video Game and give him is own DVD soon only to Heel him now. We will see what happens next week with No Rock. That spot was done for Rumble.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:41 PM   #1189
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I would prefer Punk/Rock for Mania. idkk with this it's almost a lock it will be at the Rumble. Hope not, maybe Punk can lose title beforehand and challenge Rock for it at Mania
Punk losing it to someone like Show or possibly Lesnar with Rock's help as payback for tonight, the new champ going on a warpath before losing it to Rock at the Rumble and Punk winning the Royal Rumble match to challenge Rock at WM would be awesome.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:42 PM   #1190
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Show as Punk's #1 henchman would actually be a great spot for him and would add to Punk once Show's done with Cena
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:42 PM   #1191
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Who's losing most likely? Cena or Rock? Can't see any way Cena loses against Rock for the title at WrestleMania. Rock's not coming back full time and for him to have a reign longer than just Rumble to WrestleMania, he'd have to. Not to mention the fact that I can't see how/why they would have Rock just go over Cena AGAIN.

Im saying Rock loses. Puts cena over, evens then up, and puts the title long term on a full time guy.

punk can heel it up, Austin comes in, wins one more and its over.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:43 PM   #1192
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Cena winning the case seems like a cop-out or wasted too quickly since the streak didn't end nor Cena didn't get the title either. Him wanting a regular match and Big Show's first run in would have been the perfect way to end it.
What do you mean the streak didn't end. They can no longer say "Every time the case has been cashed in, we've had a new champion." I thought that was the streak?
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:44 PM   #1193
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Pretty enjoyable show overall. Some nice spots/moments. Interesting to see where things will go from here.
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Only this time instead of shaving people's heads, Punk has people grow their hair.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:45 PM   #1195
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I HOPE they're going that direction in a Cena-Rock style feud. Punk's reaction as he walked down the aisle and Lawler's comment though makes me worry...
Why worry? Punk heel v.s. The Rock will be GOLD!
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:46 PM   #1196
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Austin has said that if he was to have one more match, it'd be against Punk.

So I truly believe that Austin not appearing tonight (not even in a pre-recorded video message) was done so the focus would be on Punk's heel turn, and WWE decided to keep Austin "cool", so when he does in fact return for an angle with Punk, it'll just be madness because the WWE Universe hasn't seen him in so long.
Spot on. I'm disappointed right now not to have seen him tonight but in a couple of months his return will be class and we'll be glad he wasn't there tonight. This suddenly explains the random Austin/McMahon package they decided to air. He had to have some mention.
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Maybe they were smart enough to keep Austin for the 20th anniversary of RAW?
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What do you mean the streak didn't end. They can no longer say "Every time the case has been cashed in, we've had a new champion." I thought that was the streak?
I guess now they'll start saying "every time it's been cashed in the champion has lost."
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keep the belt on Punk, have him go over every babyface in the company not named John Cena, even have him go over Triple H or something at say Survivor Series, Show as his henchman, Austin costs him the belt/"evens the numbers" because of something planted between them beforehand at the Rumble, Cena wins Rumble, build Austin/Punk and Rock/Cena, Big Show gets involved in Austin/Punk at Mania, Vince shows up and "levels the playing field" with a chair or something, Austin over, Punk doesn't look bad, Austin/Vince drink beer, Cena over Rock clean in the main for the title and we're golden. We out
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