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Old 01-29-2008, 08:37 PM   #1161
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Johan will stay a Twin. I have been saying this since day 1. The twins do not want to get rid of him.
lol comeon, like 15 hours after this
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:08 PM   #1162
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Here's what I think. The Twins think they can work some sort of over achieving magic in the next couple years.
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:21 PM   #1163
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Ever think the Twins wanted to get him out of the American League?
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:25 PM   #1164
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I'd like to see the Red Sox go after Erik Bedard now that Johan is off the market, but Batlimore wouldn't be very intelligent to trade him within the division.
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:35 PM   #1165
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Ever think the Twins wanted to get him out of the American League?
Yeah that too. I was going to mention that about where people were saying they could have gotten a better group of players from the Yankees or the Red Sox, but you have to also factor in that the Twins would have to face him still.
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WASHINGTON (AP) - A lawyer for Andy Pettitte's former personal trainer said Tuesday he believes the pitcher will tell Congress he discussed human growth hormone with Roger Clemens between the 2001 and 2002 seasons.

The lawyer, Earl Ward, said Pettitte talked about HGH with trainer Brian McNamee following a conversation with Clemens, who has denied that he used HGH or steroids. McNamee worked with both Clemens and Pettitte.

"We're hopeful based on Andy's reputation that he will corroborate Brian's statements with regard to Roger," Ward said in a telephone interview.

Pettitte's meeting with a congressional committee investigating drug use in baseball was postponed until Monday. He originally was slated to appear for a deposition or transcribed interview Wednesday but the date was changed Tuesday by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

McNamee said in last month's Mitchell Report that he injected Clemens at least 16 times with steroids or HGH in 1998, 2000 and 2001. He said he injected Pettitte two to four times with HGH.

Pettitte admitted two days after the Mitchell Report was released that he tried HGH for two days in 2002 - before it was banned by players and owners.

Ward said the discussion he was referring to occurred at Clemens' house.

"Based on what we know, there was a situation where Andy was speaking to Roger in Brian's presence, then Andy came over to Brian and essentially said, 'Why didn't you tell me about this stuff?' He referred to HGH," Ward said. "Brian discouraged him and then several months later, when he (Pettitte) got injured, he came back and asked Brian about it, and that's when Brian injected him. We believe that based on the fact that Andy came to Brian and asked him about HGH, it was Roger who told Andy about HGH and that's why he asked Brian about it."

Richard Emery, another lawyer for McNamee, said his client and Pettitte also discussed steroids use by Clemens.

"Pettitte is certainly going to tell the truth and if he tells the truth everything will be fine," Emery said.

"There are a number of conversations where Pettitte and Brian talked about Clemens' use. I think there is everything to believe Pettitte is not a liar."

Jay Reisinger, Pettitte's lawyer, would not discuss what Pettitte would say.

"He hasn't testified yet, and I'm not going to comment on what he's going to testify about," Reisinger said.

Lanny Breuer, Clemens' new lawyer, said the seven-time Cy Young Award winner, stood by his denials.

"Roger Clemens remarkable success as a pitcher has everything to do with his extraordinary work ethic and his innate abilities, and nothing to do with HGH. or steroids," Breuer said in a statement. "Let me be clear: Roger Clemens never took HGH and he never took steroids."

Ward's claims about the discussion were first reported by The New York Times on its Web site.

The delay of Pettitte's deposition or transcribed interview was the latest switch in the schedule of meetings between witnesses and staff before the Feb. 13 hearing.

"Just a mutually agreeable postponement," said Keith Ausbrook, Republican general counsel for the committee. "It give us a little more time to prepare and gives him a little more time to prepare."

Also asked to appear at next month's hearing are Clemens, McNamee, former Yankees second baseman Chuck Knoblauch, and former New York Mets clubhouse employee Kirk Radomski.

"Mr. Pettitte is cooperating voluntarily with the committee, and we look forward to his testimony on Monday," panel chairman Henry Waxman and ranking Republican Tom Davis said in a joint statement. "We appreciate Mr. Pettitte's willingness to assist the committee."

Knoblauch now is scheduled for Friday and would be the first of the five Feb. 13 witnesses to provide a deposition or transcribed interview. He agreed to appear after a subpoena was issued.

Clemens is to follow Feb. 5, with McNamee down for Feb. 7, and Radomski on Feb. 12 - pending further changes to a repeatedly shuffled schedule.

Letters sent by Waxman and Davis to Clemens, Pettitte and Knoblauch on Jan. 16, requesting their appearances both at the hearing and a pre-hearing meeting, said: "The committee asks that you provide testimony about allegations in Senator George Mitchell's report ... that you and other Major League Baseball players used performance enhancing drugs during your professional baseball career."

Clemens, Pettitte and Knoblauch were among more than 80 players named in the Mitchell Report.

McNamee told Mitchell he acquired HGH from Radomski for Knoblauch in 2001, and that he injected the player with it. Knoblauch's major league career ended in 2002.

Radomski pleaded guilty in April to federal felony charges of distributing steroids and laundering money, and is scheduled to be sentenced Feb. 8.

The 35-year-old Pettitte has a 201-113 major league record and won four World Series championships with the Yankees. He also helped his hometown Houston Astros reach their first World Series.

Pettitte returned to the Yankees last season and went 15-9. This offseason, he put off retirement and agreed to a $16 million, one-year contract to play for the Yankees next season.

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Blum reported from New York, Fendrich from Washington.

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Old 01-30-2008, 11:43 AM   #1167
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Hahaha, Johan is the man. Reortedly Johan and his agent were just as sick of the trade talks as everyone else, so they called Twins management during the middle of the day yesterday to say "If you don't trade me today, I'm waiving my no trade clause for all of 2008"
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:57 AM   #1168
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Wow, apparently the Twins asked for Ian Kennedy, Melky and another prospect from the Yankees as a final offer and the Yankees denied them...If this is true, Cashman is the biggest idiot ever.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:58 PM   #1169
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Yeah, that is kind of dumb, but then again Kennedy is the man and all the decent centerfielders are now off the market. I really don't want an outfield with Matsui in left and Damon in center again. Their poor defense will almost offset whatever Santana would have added to the team. I can't understate how much Cabrera in center and Damon in left improves the team defensively.
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:02 PM   #1170
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I heard the guy the Twins got is suppose to be faster than Jose Reyes...any truth to this?
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:33 PM   #1171
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Yeah, Gomez and Reyes frequently had races in Spring Training and Gomez won most of them. Crazy fast.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:01 PM   #1172
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Gomez is definantly a great talent but he isnt ready for a full time role this upcoming season.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:06 PM   #1173
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Some news and rumors.

Rockies and Scott Podsednik are finalizing a 1-year deal minor league deal.

Even after the Santana trade, the Red Sox are still shopping Coco Crisp.

The White Sox and Giants are in talks of a Joe Crede deal. Apparently, new Giants CF Aaron Rowand is lobbying the front office to make a move on Joe. Sources say if he's looking good during spring training, he might be gone around mid-march.

And finally. FINALLY! The Erik Bedard trade that has been killed or halted many a time, might be a done deal by the end of the week.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:13 PM   #1174
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Gomez is fast but he can't hit for power and has very poor plate discipline. He's got a decent arm and a good glove though. He's a less disciplined, faster Melky Cabrera with a worse arm. And he's the centerpiece of the deal. Wow.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:02 PM   #1175
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That does not seem like so much that the Yanks would have had to give up, but the money is the biggie.

It would have been in a sense

Kennedy
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Another prospect
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Maybe this is a sign that they are working to lower the payroll.

Essentially the Twins out bid themselves and missed out
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:01 PM   #1176
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Gomez is fast but he can't hit for power and has very poor plate discipline. He's got a decent arm and a good glove though. He's a less disciplined, faster Melky Cabrera with a worse arm. And he's the centerpiece of the deal. Wow.
The difference is Gomez only has 125 big league at bats compared to Melky with 1024 and Gomez may become a gold glover and is potentially the fastest man in baseball.
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Old 01-30-2008, 09:00 PM   #1177
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I dunno, I like Gomez, but he is sort of a younger Juan Pierre. but I dont know if he is 200 hit potential. He would be a better fielder. he may be better, he may be worse, but he is not a top prospect that should be the center of the Biggest Trade in years.
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I dunno, I like Gomez, but he is sort of a younger Juan Pierre. but I dont know if he is 200 hit potential. He would be a better fielder. he may be better, he may be worse, but he is not a top prospect that should be the center of the Biggest Trade in years.
WTF are you even talking about. This a big trade, but this is under no comparison to the deal the Tigers and Marlins made.
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Wow, apparently the Twins asked for Ian Kennedy, Melky and another prospect from the Yankees as a final offer and the Yankees denied them...If this is true, Cashman is the biggest idiot ever.
So that was it? My god, Santana could have been in our hands for that? Damn it! I would have packed Ian Kennedy and Melky's bags and drove them to Minnesota if that's all it took. Man, Cashman you are a total idiot.
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WTF are you even talking about. This a big trade, but this is under no comparison to the deal the Tigers and Marlins made.
The Hype around this trade is way bigger. Detroit landed 2 top stars....But the Mets landed the TOP Pitcher. This had been dragged out for months with all the big names involved. The Detroit trade happened over night with very little hullabaloo. So WTF are you talking about?
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They're comparable, especially considering the complete assraping done by the Mets.
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Some news and rumors.

From Buster Olney's blog regarding the last minute offer to the Yankees by the Twins for Santana: "The Twins tried to re-engage the Yankees Monday night, calling and asking, again, for Hughes to be in a package. The Yankees said no, and the Twins then asked, instead, for Chien-Ming Wang and Ian Kennedy, and the Yankees said no."

Jorge Julio signs a minor league deal with the Indians.

Jayson Stark reports that the Santana/Mets contract talks are gonna go into Friday, the last day to make a deal.

Luis Gonzalez signs a 1-year, $2 milllion deal with the Marlins.
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The Hype around this trade is way bigger. Detroit landed 2 top stars....But the Mets landed the TOP Pitcher. This had been dragged out for months with all the big names involved. The Detroit trade happened over night with very little hullabaloo. So WTF are you talking about?
Well Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis were involved in trade talks all last season, just not packaged together or with Detroit at all. You are right about the Santana deal having more hype. In terms of the impact that each trade has had on the respective teams, it doesn't vary that much. Detroit and New York have stacked their team for the upcoming season, and Minnesota and Florida are rebuilding for future seasons.
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Old 01-31-2008, 06:37 PM   #1184
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I think Detroit got more talent, but the Mets made the Biggest splash in the media.

Obviously Bonds' is not the best FA this offseason, but if anyone signed him, it would be the biggest FA signing.
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Yeah especially since that team would be the first ever to have an incarcerated player on the 25-man roster.
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Late news.

2 new details came up on the Erik Bedard front. 1. The Orioles offered him a last minute extension to his current contract. 2. The Indians made a late offer.

Yankees make another move this (quiet) offseason. Signing Morgan Ensberg to a 1-year deal.

Marlins also sign Dallas MacPherson to a 1-year deal today as well.

Mariners sign Brad Wilkeson to a 1-year deal.

Latest numbers on the Santana talks are 6-years, $129 million starting in '09. Plus his salary for '08 rounding out $142.5 mil. Santana's camp wants to reach $170 million total.
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As the hours are beginning to dwindle, being a die hard mets fan and knowing the way how freddy coupon can be, I grow worried about this deal. We stole him from the twins, now just pay the man! I don't believe the reports of 7/170. Offer 6 with a 7th year option for a total of 140-150 mil. If this fails, I'll be expecting an army of met fans rallying up to burn shea.
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170 / 7 = 24+ million a year.

Given they gave away what's considered very little for Santana, I believe that's a deal worth signing for the Mets.
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Yeah, Johan is in the driver's seat 100% of the way. The Mets pretty much HAVE to give him what he wants or risk a revolt. I think even I'd consider boycotting in 2008 if Coupon backed out of it.
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Santana should sit out the season. Win-win situation.
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Tick tock goes the clock. Just 3 hours and 30 mins. for a deal to happen.

Since Santana might be out the door in a little while. The new target on the Twins' radar is Josh Fogg.

Since Livan Hernandez ain't getting the Mets job, he's made an offer to the Nationals.

Sean Casey signs a 1-year, $700k deal with the Red Sox.
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Even though I thought the Twins weren't going to actuallly trade him, I think they couldve gotten a lot more from the Sox or Yankees. Even though they were asking for a lot i think what they were offered was still better than what the Mets gave. The Mets made out like bandits on this one. I say good job by Omar.
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Jon Heyman reports Santana and the Mets are about to sign. 7 years, $152 million and it starts with the 2008 season.
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2 more killer hours. But it seems like this is going to get done.
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Apparently Santana is being pretty tough. Definitely gonna be a huge contract. Can't really blame him too much though about getting what he wants. The Mets really have no choice and will have to give in sooner or later.

He started out at 28 million per year and wants the guaranteed six or seven years. Also heard Santana and his agent were campaigning for an opt-out clause after 3 years.
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There have been so many conflicting reports im not sure what to think is true and what is false.
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how do you justify 24+ million for a guy that plays every 5th day? I dont think posistion players should even make 20 million.
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