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Old 03-31-2008, 01:28 AM   #1161
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I thought it was a great show, and it did feel like a WrestleMania to me.

Loved the aesthetics of the Citrus Bowl, especially early on when it was light. Saw some people say the crowd seemed quiet on TV but they seemed noisy enough to me.

JBL vs Finlay took all the shortcuts to deliver an entertaining enough brawl. I wouldn't have opened with it personally though.

MITB was another great spotfest that pleased my houseful of casual fans.

I can't understand why Chavo was squashed like that, but I'm fine with Kane winning the belt and the match was far too short to be offensive.

Batista vs Umaga was a mediocre match which was to be expected. Blatant filler, but nobody was looking for a classic here.

BunnyMania held the casuals' interests in the Class Act household, due to Snoop Dogg's involvement and Santino's antics. Nice to see Lawler get a WrestleMania moment finally, even if it wasn't in a match.

As soon as the positioning of the Triple Threat on the card became apparent, I figured Orton was retaining... God forbid WWE would switch all three brand titles on one show, and we all knew Taker was going home with some gold. The match itself was standard 'one guy lies outside the ring inactive after a move that they would pop right back up from in any normal match' triple threat psychology, but it was a good match. Didn't live up to Triple H's "blow the roof off (if the Citrus Bowl had one)" hype.

Why did Ric Flair get himself new, spandex trunks for his last ever match?

The psychology and story of the Career Threatening Match was beautiful. The whole scene was emotional and grand. Technically the match itself didn't hold a candle to the Flair of old, but that didn't matter. It was the best performance you could reasonably expect from Flair, and this was a five star match in every way, with the exception of the actual wrestling itself... which was far from shabby in its own right. RIP "Nature Boy" Ric Flair. Long live Ric Fliehr. Whoooooooooo!

Mayweather vs Big Show was a lot better than expected. Mayweather held his end up fine, and the finish makes sense and keeps Show strong. It took the best boxer in the world a set of brass knucks to knock him down, and he was nearly up on his feet by the time the ref reached the ten count. Of course Money had to go over, but this didn't hurt Show as badly as a number of other scenarios could have.

Edge/Taker started slow, but turned into a great match by the end. Didn't like the submission finish though... as Lance Storm recently remarked, it's a less powerful visual image to not have Taker stood over his opponent at the end of a high profile match, dominant (even if the match itself was evenly matched)... one man standing, one man fallen... not both men lying on the ground... as a surprise finish, its great, but not for the final scene of a WrestleMania which is supposed to be THE decisive PPV of the year. It's a small gripe, though, and not enough to sour the show by any means.

I'd give it an 8 out of 10... really enjoyed the whole viewing experience.

One thing I noticed... no one bladed all night. Couple of trickles of hardway blood but no gushers... conscious move maybe? I at least expected Flair to bleed, classic crimson hair stylee.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:28 AM   #1162
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A lot of hard bumps in there for HBM.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:29 AM   #1163
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To hope in on the convo, I wanted to say that I'm in the same boat as Jeri. I started watching wrestling in the 2nd grade, and there was one man that caught my eye the most who I was hooked on from that day till today, and forever and that is HBK. Sure I was a kid back then who was going off looks alone, but once I started to become and educated fan and really watch what HBK has and has become, he truly is a legend and I'm proud that I can talk about him in a later life.

Now based off storyline I was really into this match. HBK idolizes Flair his whole life. Flair is putting together his final run, I was all into it and loved it all. It was nice to finally see Flair with a direction since he has been doing nothing and just floating around. Like Jeri stated, if he where to just fade away no one would care at all, and I believe thats the truth, except for the die hards.

I still consider HBK to the be greatest in ring perfromer I have ever seen, but mind you, like I said in my short review, I have not seen Flair's prime work. I have only seen his work from 97-to now. So once I do my HW on Prime Flair, I'll let my final verdict out. But yeah, just wanted to hop in on the convo.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:29 AM   #1164
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As far as someone that can elevate any oppenent to the match of their lives...dunno. Doesn't seem like anyone on the horiaen can do that. And HBK probably doesn't have the years left in him the Flair had.

HHH probably does. I bet HBKs last match in a few years is against HHH
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:31 AM   #1165
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Gonna call HBK HBM from now on btw. RIC FLAIR WILL LIVE ON.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:34 AM   #1166
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The question is, does Flair show up tomorrow night to give a farewell promo? I think/hope not. I like it the way it is. It sucks to close the book and go cold turkey, but with such a perfect and high climax, it's better left alone.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:36 AM   #1167
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Flair had his goodbye speech at the HOF. Leave it like this. Short and sweet.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:36 AM   #1168
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I expect we see him soon. he's said he wouldn't object to becoming a manager so I wouldn't be surprised if they held off on that too long. But let's face EVERYONE is talking about this match and they'll use Flair/HBM tommorow night to hype it up so people buy the encore. No question.

it better if we didn't see him for a month or two though. (as much as I dont like that idea personally)
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:37 AM   #1169
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I'd rather not see Flair on WWE programming again until next years HOF ceremony, where maybe he could induct The Horsemen and/or Arn

Down the road, I got no problems with occasional appearances in a non wrestling role
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:39 AM   #1170
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To hope in on the convo, I wanted to say that I'm in the same boat as Jeri. I started watching wrestling in the 2nd grade, and there was one man that caught my eye the most who I was hooked on from that day till today, and forever and that is HBK. Sure I was a kid back then who was going off looks alone, but once I started to become and educated fan and really watch what HBK has and has become, he truly is a legend and I'm proud that I can talk about him in a later life.

Now based off storyline I was really into this match. HBK idolizes Flair his whole life. Flair is putting together his final run, I was all into it and loved it all. It was nice to finally see Flair with a direction since he has been doing nothing and just floating around. Like Jeri stated, if he where to just fade away no one would care at all, and I believe thats the truth, except for the die hards.

I still consider HBK to the be greatest in ring perfromer I have ever seen, but mind you, like I said in my short review, I have not seen Flair's prime work. I have only seen his work from 97-to now. So once I do my HW on Prime Flair, I'll let my final verdict out. But yeah, just wanted to hop in on the convo.
I totally get that. If I had grwon up on HBM it would be hard for me to put anyone over him. HBM is the progression of the style Flair created. If I were a kid now growing up on X-box I'd have a hard time going back and playing the NES. But I grew up on the NES so for me its no problem to see the awesome in Ric Flair. But I stil dig the X-Box.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:41 AM   #1171
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:42 AM   #1172
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I wonder if Flair has a new Wrestlemania favorite. He always said his favorite wrestlemania match was Austin/Bret, but I think it would only be right and justified that his own last match/moment with Shawn is his new alltime favorite


And Destor, to be Fair HBK isn't Xbox to Flair's NES. He's kinda like Super Nintendo. Still retro and old school, a little flashier and upgraded, equally as good on most levels, but ultimately not as classic as old school and classic as NES.
Bret's like Sega to HBK's SNES
Stone Cold and The Rock are 64 and Playstation

The best of the modern generation are the Xbox and shit
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I wonder if Flair has a new Wrestlemania favorite. He always said his favorite wrestlemania match was Austin/Bret, but I think it would only be right and justified that his own last match/moment with Shawn is his new alltime favorite


And Destor, to be Fair HBM isn't Xbox to Flair's NES. He's kinda like Super Nintendo. Still retro and old school, a little flashier and upgraded, equally as good on most levels, but ultimately not as classic as old school and classic as NES.
Bret's like Sega to HBM's SNES
Stone Cold and The Rock are 64 and Playstation

The best of the modern generation are the Xbox and shit
Fair play
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Edge/Taker started slow, but turned into a great match by the end. Didn't like the submission finish though... as Lance Storm recently remarked, it's a less powerful visual image to not have Taker stood over his opponent at the end of a high profile match, dominant (even if the match itself was evenly matched)... one man standing, one man fallen... not both men lying on the ground... as a surprise finish, its great, but not for the final scene of a WrestleMania which is supposed to be THE decisive PPV of the year. It's a small gripe, though, and not enough to sour the show by any means.
I dunno, I thought it a great fit to the story that they were trying to tell with the match. I think if Taker did the normal sit-up, chokeslam, tombstone, 1-2-3, then it would have killed all of Edge's momentum he had from his counters to everything else Taker was throwing out. Edge had a tremendous showing in his first Mania Main Event and I honestly don't think he was hurt by this loss, in terms of legitimacy. If anything, it solidified Edge as a viable main eventer, while also protecting and adding to the legend of the Undertaker.
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Edge came out looking awesome.

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Destor, we should start a Flair/HBM discussion/appreciation thread
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:59 AM   #1192
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But that post needs more Flair/HBM
Haha, I've been thinking about the Flair/HBM match but I really don't have anything much to add in terms of opinion. It was a beautifully crafted match, especially in regards to HBM's realization that he had to give Flair everything and that he couldn't hold back. Definitely my co-match of the night with Edge/Taker.

My only wish is that there was a little more buildup promo wise between Flair and Michaels leading in to this. I think if they had 1-2 more segments like last Monday's that the emotions coming into this would have been monstrous (as if they weren't already).

Still, tremendous match. It's really going to be weird for me for Flair to be retired. I've been a fan for the last 20 years and Flair's just always been around. I'm just glad that he got a great send-off. I know some people on here wanted this to be used to put over a new guy like Kennedy, but I think that would have been a big mistake. Flair has put over plenty of guys in his career (anyone remember when he lost to Rico on Raw?) and while this could have really elevated a younger talent, this match needed to be ONLY about Ric Flair. There will be plenty of opportunities to put guys over in the future. Flair's one of those guys who deserved something like this.
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Another Mania classic for HBM. Shit, another classic for HBM. Thats why I'm so high on him, just another all time favorite match of mine featuring him.



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