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Old 05-13-2010, 03:41 PM   #1
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People are never ever going to get the answers they want. How far does it have to go to satisfy you? Where did the light come from? What is the exact nature of it? How did Mother make them ageless? Why is the island there in the first place? These are all far too deep questions, in the sense that it takes way too much time to explain them.

I think it was a good episode in terms of better expanding on the characters of Jacob and MIB, and that's the important part. The characters are what make us love the show, not the mysteries, because if we don't care about the characters, why would we engage with them trying to solve the mysteries?

With all the hype surrounding this ep, you had to know it was gonna disappoint. People spend so much time theorizing over the show that they get hurt when it turns out none of their theories are true, or that the reality is much simpler. Fuck just enjoy the ride, don't get your panties in a knot because the end of the show isn't living up to the exact idea of what you thought it'd be.
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:51 PM   #2
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People are never ever going to get the answers they want. How far does it have to go to satisfy you? Where did the light come from? What is the exact nature of it? How did Mother make them ageless? Why is the island there in the first place? These are all far too deep questions, in the sense that it takes way too much time to explain them.

I think it was a good episode in terms of better expanding on the characters of Jacob and MIB, and that's the important part. The characters are what make us love the show, not the mysteries, because if we don't care about the characters, why would we engage with them trying to solve the mysteries?

With all the hype surrounding this ep, you had to know it was gonna disappoint. People spend so much time theorizing over the show that they get hurt when it turns out none of their theories are true, or that the reality is much simpler. Fuck just enjoy the ride, don't get your panties in a knot because the end of the show isn't living up to the exact idea of what you thought it'd be.
I'm actually with you Blitz, I quite liked the episode as it was something different than the norm and showed us the MIB was once good, but he more or less lost his innocence and merely just wanted what all normal men want. Answers! I don't see how that made him evil. If anything Jacob could be considered just as evil for having killed his brother.

What got me was how only Jacob's brother could see the dead, but nobody else can. Sound familiar?

I'm sure there is more to it, and we won't find out everything there is to find out before it's all said and done. I'm excited that we get 3 1/2 hours of Lost next week tbh.
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I'm actually with you Blitz, I quite liked the episode as it was something different than the norm and showed us the MIB was once good, but he more or less lost his innocence and merely just wanted what all normal men want. Answers! I don't see how that made him evil. If anything Jacob could be considered just as evil for having killed his brother.

What got me was how only Jacob's brother could see the dead, but nobody else can. Sound familiar?

I'm sure there is more to it, and we won't find out everything there is to find out before it's all said and done. I'm excited that we get 3 1/2 hours of Lost next week tbh.
That is all correct but all of that raises more questions and contradictions about stuff we have been shown and found out since the start.

Jacob is a murderer, and therefore 'tainted'.

MIB could see dead people, but we still dont know if its certain people who are 'blessed' or the will of The Island who allows certain people to be subjected to the dead.
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Whatever man, I'll be sticking to my theory that the whole show revolves around Vincent til the final second!
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Yeah people care a about the characters, of course. But we have ALL their stories pretty much answered, it's done.

The Island is a character, that was the main selling point that got the show made, and with that, a large portion of the interest and popularity of the show. They go hand in hand. The characters are interesting because of who they are, but they are also special and on a special place that has its own history. Jacob chose those people because they are special and were meant to be part of the Island.

If the answers to what the island is is answered, then I believe the others answers to other hard questions will be answered, and even if they are not, they will at least make sense and still leave a cool bit of mystery with regard to the context of the show.

We have been promised answer since the show started, and yeah, we have been given some, but not of massive importance.

I still have faith in the writers and the show, and I understand what you are saying. But you have to understand its not that the ending isn't living up to what we expect, its just that its not giving anything to satisfy the interest and mystery towards ANY answer, at all, which is the main problem.
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Just kinda thought of something..

What if their fake mother had to make there really be a reason to defend the island.. like maybe she wasn't sure she'd sold Jacob on it, but she was running out of time, so she had to give him a purpose.. so she knew MIB would kill her, and she knew what Jacob would do to him. Kinda twisted in a manipulative sense, you could say. She is obviously not really 'good', what with killing their mother.

Of course, over time, maybe Jacob really came around to it and understood that there was something more to the island. But maybe that first bit is just what it took?
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Thing is, Jacob didn't kill his brother thinking about it, didn't she say she made it to be that way.

He looked like he died from that blow to the head, but having him go into the cave as soon after, he might not of actually been dead. Either way, him going into the cave was something she did say Jacob had to not let happen, he was meant to protect it and not go in there.
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Now that is has been said, I think its going to be Jack and claire left on the island and sawyer leads everyone else off.

We all think Jack is going to be the new jacob, but who else wants off the island more than claire? It makes sense that she will be the new mib trying to escape while jack keeps here there.
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Why do people think Claire is going to be the new MIB? and how?
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im thinking it will mirror the original jacob/mib in the end. Jack-wanting to stay becaus he needs to protect the island, claire being "infected" and wanting desperately wanting to get off the island to see aaron
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But we don't know protecting the Island is what Jack is supposed to do. He is there to do something important yes, but it could be anything.

The realities are going to merge, or the alt reality is going to affect the Island reality in some way or vice versa. Even if Claire is made the new MIB and the rest get off - where does that leave the alt reality? I think either it's there to bring someone back to the Island, or its there to take them off and back to the lives they were supposed to of had. If its the latter case, Claire will be and have Aarron anyway.

I still can't shake the feeling that this is 'the end', as in whatever happens, I don't think the Island will need protecting anymore or even have a conflict of dark vs light. It only ends once, and the time for that is the finale.
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I wouldn't be 1 bit suprised at this point if the remaining survivors were all somehow related to Jacob/MIB in some freaky fucked up kind of sense. MiB can see the dead, Hurley can see the dead. Jacob was picked to protect the island, Jack will most likely be chosen to protect the island. MiB lost his innocence as a child, Sawyer lost his innocence as a child. It's fucking crazy when you stop to think about it.

Shit, I just realized that they are the only 3 candidates left. FFS.
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I wouldn't be 1 bit suprised at this point if the remaining survivors were all somehow related to Jacob/MIB in some freaky fucked up kind of sense. MiB can see the dead, Hurley can see the dead. Jacob was picked to protect the island, Jack will most likely be chosen to protect the island. MiB lost his innocence as a child, Sawyer lost his innocence as a child. It's fucking crazy when you stop to think about it.

Shit, I just realized that they are the only 3 candidates left. FFS.
yep, down to 3, unless Desmond is a secret back up plan

How can anyone be related to Jacob or MIB when they never left the Island? Well Jacob did, but as far as we know, didn't fuck anyone lol

I don't think it will happen too much now, but I remember I once though Jack eventually would leave with his father alive. Cus back then I thought since his body wasn't found he was alive (resurrected by Jacob) and Jack said he was going to Sydney to bring back his father.
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I wouldn't be 1 bit suprised at this point if the remaining survivors were all somehow related to Jacob/MIB in some freaky fucked up kind of sense. MiB can see the dead, Hurley can see the dead. Jacob was picked to protect the island, Jack will most likely be chosen to protect the island. MiB lost his innocence as a child, Sawyer lost his innocence as a child. It's fucking crazy when you stop to think about it.

Shit, I just realized that they are the only 3 candidates left. FFS.
kate killed her mom right?
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kate killed her mom right?
I don't think so. I think she killed her step-dad and then killed her friend/potential lover on accident?
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I don't think so. I think she killed her step-dad and then killed her friend/potential lover on accident?
correct... Her friend got shot by the police when Kate was trying to escape the hospital and he was in the car with her.
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Gonna agree with Kano on this one in that the whole "it only ends once" thing makes it seem as though this will be the end of all the island protection stuff.

I can see something happening where after it's all over Jack still wants to stay and protect the island or whatever, but then Kate convinces him to just come back home to the real world because the island doesn't need protecting anymore or something like that.
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Gonna agree with Kano on this one in that the whole "it only ends once" thing makes it seem as though this will be the end of all the island protection stuff.

I can see something happening where after it's all over Jack still wants to stay and protect the island or whatever, but then Kate convinces him to just come back home to the real world because the island doesn't need protecting anymore or something like that.
Maybe the island will just vanish for good after the end? Maybe they'll find the light somehow and get smokey back into the light causing the balance to off set or something and it's all said and done so they all leave on Locke's back and the island vanishes?
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Maybe the island will just vanish for good after the end? Maybe they'll find the light somehow and get smokey back into the light causing the balance to off set or something and it's all said and done so they all leave on Locke's back and the island vanishes?
Yeah that is a good probability.

Whatever the Island is, its not actually an Island, like it is, but it's physical and actual representation is obviously the 'front', the first layer or whatever it is, and wherever it really came from, I assume it has the ability to still travel through space and time. God knows where is has been, or where it could go. We could see it move again to somewhere crazy like space or another dimension to that of Earth.
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For a while there I thought maybe the light and what have you was supposed to be the garden of Eden, but I don't think Lost would go that route tbh. I could be wrong though.
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Yeah as we all discussed previously on LOST, the show has, will and does allude to various religious, mythological etc believes and stuff, but will prob not ever directly say it is definitely this or that. It did look garden of Edenish to be fair.
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Yeah, the whole theme was very Edenish. Light could essentially be the tree of life, saying it was the 'source' and what not. It represented temptation, pretty much.
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Probably just a really big flood light though. Or whatever was in the briefcase Jules was carrying around in Pulp Fiction.
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Its a sneak peak from next weeks......





HA HA maybe Desmond is indeed a candidate!!!

Also, I got a new sneaky suspicion that we may have a 3 way split in the finale - What's going on on the Island, the alt reality and the more flashes back to when MIB turned into smokey to when the black rock arrived when they were on the beach.
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Its a sneak peak from next weeks......





HA HA maybe Desmond is indeed a candidate!!!

Also, I got a new sneaky suspicion that we may have a 3 way split in the finale - What's going on on the Island, the alt reality and the more flashes back to when MIB turned into smokey to when the black rock arrived when they were on the beach.

Jacob is acting rather heelish there.
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Jacob is acting rather heelish there.
Shit you just made me realise I posted the wrong sneak peak.

Jack makes a reference in the following other sneak peak about it could be 'one of his rules' as to why MIB didn't execute Desmond himself...



Could it be perhaps that Desmond is a candidate after-all?


Ugh, and with the other clip, young Jacob and Hurely - I don't think I can even fathom how to theorise that. Jacob is dead, he has already been seen on Island, by Hurley and now we see him as a youngster, why? and why did MIB see Jacob as a youngster with blood on his arms? it just doesn't make sense. Why is Hurley seeing him as a youngster now? - Unless its MIB and he has a new plan? OR its The Island?

I assume the ash can be used to maybe bring him back to life, or trap MIB in some form or fashion at some pivitol point maybe.
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I can't make out what Sawyer and Jack both say to each other in thier last lines in that clip.
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oh nevermind, I got it now. Sawyer says "I killed them, didn't I. had to listen to it like 6 times
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Hope we get more crappy CGI underwater island to be honest. Also it's not gonna be like Jack and Sawyer are new Jacob/MIB or any combo of that really. You know why? Cause that's too fucking obvious. As lame as lost has been lately, and as much as I hate it right now. They will definitely do something different than what you expect. Unless of course "you" are that asshole know it all nerd elitist friend who will obviously get like 10% of the finale correct and therefore have gotten 100% correct, cause 10% is close enough. Still waiting for my Vincent flashback episode.
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Why does someone need to replace MiB/Smocke?

The way I see it, MiB/Smocke is ended/killed/trapped by whatever means which means we don't need a replacement Jacob or Mib/Smocke isn't ended/killed/trapped and we only need a replacement Jacob - not a replacement MiB.

In that scenario it'd come down to Jack and "Locke" - the 2 men that have had oppsosite ideologies throughout the show.
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The way I see it, MiB/Smocke is ended/killed/trapped by whatever means which means we don't need a replacement Jacob or Mib/Smocke isn't ended/killed/trapped and we only need a replacement Jacob - not a replacement MiB.

In that scenario it'd come down to Jack and "Locke" - the 2 men that have had oppsosite ideologies throughout the show.
Yea I thought the last episode pretty much hammered home the fact that the smoke monster was a unique occurence, and not a role to be filled like Jacob.
He's apparently the result of touching the forbidden fruit. A cursed figure. I don't think he was filling a role, or has intentions of having his role filled.

Jacob seems to be next in a line of guardians, preceded by mother and possibly relieved by one of the characters.
I have come to terms with the fact that explaining where his powers, or mother's powers come from, just serves to raise more questions. That's the mythology of it. Allow it. How is God "God"? What's the point in trying to explain that in detail?
I will admit I am curious about what the exact specifications of their powers are, or what happens at every unaddressed point in time, but that's natural.
I sort of expected to see Jacob react to Smokey's birth, and touch on that a bit. But that is just something that occurs offscreen. The metaphsyical aspect of the show is perfectly okay with me. There is no way of logically explaining the smoke monster, or Jacob's godly powers, and any of the islands properities without writing a fictional science book. They just have to say "this is that." I'm happy with that. We saw where The Smoke Monster came from, and understand his motives.
All that matters is that those characters have been given their backstory. We know how MIB became The Smoke Monster, and how Jacob became the Guardian. We have a loose understanding of the island that will likely get some more "light" shed on it.

Remember when George Lucas gave us a biological explanation of how the force works? Everyone hated it. A little mystery and fictional faith is good.

Also, I love the fact that they haven't given the MIB/Smoke Monster a name.
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could care less about the outrigger chase. What's the big deal with that? It's just a cool overlap in the time loop. It'll be fun to speculate on who was involved, but if it didn't effect what is occuring in the timeline now, it obviously didn't have major consequences.
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I was loving last weeks episode, and then the Smoke Monster transformation seemed abrupt and underscored. I thought about it for a while, and realized it was right the way it was. That's how it should be, really. What would a 10 minute powerpoint by Jacob explaining his powers do? The problem with things that get as big and involving as Lost, is that everyone's got their visions and opinions of how things should be. Expectations become mythical in status.
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