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Cena's cash will be determined as premature. I can assure you, that his cash in will be considered invalid due to all of the interferences that occurred. It would really make the MITB concept meaningless if you win by DQ and waste a cash in like that. AJ as the GM...I can see her continuing to be involved in the WWE title picture while Punk is still champ and grant Cena another opportunity.
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Who gives a fuck if he is face or heel? Punk beating Rock would be huge.
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You decided this based on what? WWE hasn't ever been in this kind of situation before. Besides, I think this will be more of a tweener/tease heel for awhile as Punk can easily justify his actions and slowly descend into evil. I think Punk beating Rocky after snapping and beating the fuck out of him with a chair (ala Austin @ WM17) would be just as effective as being a babyface beating him clean especially since Austin/Punk is a good possibility at Mania and Punk going over would completely cement him as "the man". Kinda wish they booked this for Survivor Series instead of the Rumble, but I guess The Rock's schedule is what it is. Also, The Rock showed he can't work a "shoot feud" all that well, so a heel punk will give him more to work off of and Punk can do anything on the mic.
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I do think that in his heart of hearts, deep down, Rock would rather lose to Punk than to John Cena.
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Regardless of face/heel status, win/loss regarding Punk vs Rock, the match (or matches) and promos will be incredible.
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What a great ending - finally something to freshen up the dead WWE landscape. Ever since the awesome Summer of Punk, what did we get? Face Punk playing SECOND FREAKING FIDDLE to Cena the whole damn time. Then he was in a ridiculous love triangle. Turning him heel just pumps me up that much for Rock vs. Punk, Punk being a mega heel, Rock being a bonafide face, and hopefully this is the end of the boring Show heel push. Until the Rock comes back in time for the Rumble though, I have a feeling Punk will be a cheered heel over Cena.
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I'm just desperate for someone awesome to be put over. Someone who can main event WrestleMania with a shitload of anticipation without someone from a past generation being their opponent.
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Are you arguing that CM Punk wasn't "put over"? He is the hottest thing in wrestling and is over like fucking crazy. Jericho/Punk had a shitload of anticipation. Punk/Rock will be red fucking hot come the Rumble, and if they do pull the trigger on Punk/Austin...it will headline WrestleMania XXIX. WrestleMania hasn't been a "1 main event" show in quite some time, so I consider Punk/Jericho a WrestleMania main event even though it didn't go on last and didn't have the most build out of the 3 main events. The problem isn't the faces, it is the heels. There hasn't been a new HEEL that has been on Cena's level since 2005. Right now, WWE has Dolph (who will be a babyface come WrestleMania), Cody, and Wade Barrett as guys who are heels close to being on that level but they aren't. CM Punk is the perfect guy to turn heel and make the biggest/most legitimate thread heel since Triple H. I also think you are underestimating how much people love The Rock. Punk/Rock screams "Rock/Hogan" where the fans just love the fuck out of the legend and cool new main eventer be damned. This is perfect because it easily plays into CM Punk's character and the justification for his heel turn. He thought he was the voice of the voiceless, etc. but the people are still the same stupid fucking sheep who don't want to be saved, they just want to be led.
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If not, that should tell you that Punk is not "over" like he needs to be. He's over compared to the current crop of wrestlers. Rock and, yes John Cena blow him out of the water as far as guys for a legit WrestleMania main event feel. |
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Perhaps this kind of heel turn is a new experiment that may make Punk more popular than Cena... or just make kids hate Punk more, I'm fine both ways.
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Just occured to me that Punk can pull off some better pipe bombs as a heel (blasting the crowd and such) than he does as a face.
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Fuck Rock if he can't work a shoot feud. All the better for Punk to look good.
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![]() Punk beating the fuck out of The Rock with a chair could easily have a huge impact and cement him. I hope they make Punk more of a Tweener, but I don't know if Punk will get cheered equal to The Rock the more they interact and stuff building to the Rumble even if he is a face. |
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![]() P.S. The best thing that "worked" for Cena during that feud was when he called out Rock sucking at riffing and having to use notes. So yeah, it is useful. |
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This is rather odd with Bryan as a heel too.
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The Austin beating the fuck out of Rock with a chair to win thing only worked because they both went in as a face and Austin turned heel and aligned with McMahon. That's what made it effective as a WrestleMania moment. There's nothing special about a heel beating a face by hitting them with a chair.
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And in that time, Austin turning heel was almost (not quite as much, but in 2nd place) as shocking as Hogan's heel turn.
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Lita's breasts were amazing.
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Yeah... Bryan's probably getting demoted to AJ's bitch!
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I'm also thinking Punk could draw in some of Cena's younger fans that hate Rock for beating Cena last year.
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He already has a lot of young fans since he "officially" turned face and quit shitting all over Cena. I still think the older fans will cheer for The Rock over CM Punk. Punk will get pops for "bombs" he drops in promos and the awesome promos in general he will deliver, but CM Punk's character has always had heelish tendencies to it. I think that even if Punk goes in babyface, it'd be like Rock/Hogan where the crowd would cheer the fuck out of Hogan just because of who he is and for him to win the title would mean he might actually be back and they would want that. Punk goes over, but he isn't the triumphant hero conquering the legend and riding his white horse up to Mount Olympus to sit on the right hand of Zeus and the wrestling gods.
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gonna watch this now
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fucking hate this song though, so much
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Fuck shoot feuds. I hate how the IWC folks act like shoot feuds/promos are the be all end all.
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already saw Punk turn and Taker return so I'm pretty sure I picked out the two best parts
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oh God there's another terrible song
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Shawn Michaels is slowly drifting towards crazy old man territory
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DX is really the Abbot and Costello of underwear jokes
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Billy Gunn and X-Pac still look pretty good
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I would have preferred a "The One" Billy Gunn reunion though
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