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Old 01-30-2017, 11:15 PM   #1201
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Pretty much considering they had all of RAW, Smackdown, Cruisers/205 Live, and a good chunk of NXT guys backstage to pick from.

Been like that for the past few years where the non-Legends surprises get picked right before the event itself if the entire list wasn't finished in time.
Who from NXT would come in? Joe? Unless he was winning the Rumble, that would be a wasted debut for a guy on Joe's level. Nak? I don't believe his time in NXT is over, so why bring him in just to randomly lose at the Rumble with no follow up?

Fantasy booking is fun, I used to do it as a kid. But you have to fit things into a long range plan. Clearly WWE has had plans for all of the top Mania programs going as far back as SummerSlam. You don't just make a left turn for the sake of a shocking surprise.
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:29 PM   #1202
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The Revival could've come in for some shine. Maybe have them eliminate New Day.

They're the only ones I could see honestly.
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Watched just the Rumble match. Definitely a top 5 Royal Rumble match and I've seen them all.

I love this criticism : there were no surprise in the Rumble

Wrestlemania: wtf is with all the part timers taking up spots.
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Old 01-31-2017, 02:09 AM   #1204
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Old 01-31-2017, 04:30 AM   #1205
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But your entire list also made no sense.. maybe Joe if he's to be involved at Mania, but if his program is with Cena, and Cena was going over Styles, what purpose would it serve to lump Joe in a crowded field of stars? Why not debut him when he can be the focal point?
Only he hasn't come in to feud with Cena, and they could have done what they did on Raw at the Rumble. Sometimes people have certain expectations (e.g. You get surprises in the Rumble) and sometimes you have to deliver on those expectations or you disappoint people.
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Watched just the Rumble match. Definitely a top 5 Royal Rumble match and I've seen them all.

I love this criticism : there were no surprise in the Rumble

Wrestlemania: wtf is with all the part timers taking up spots.
Come on Gert, not the same thing at all.
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:54 AM   #1206
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Watched just the Rumble match. Definitely a top 5 Royal Rumble match and I've seen them all.
What was good about it? They back-loaded all the stars and nothing happened for the first 45 minutes. It's like they were just throwing guys out to fill time until the match actually started at the 26th entrant. It was awful. lol
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It wasn't awful imo, not at all.

The match was booked really well up until Braun's exit. Filled up ring, let him dominate and then told a few stories that had a bit of history. Gallagher's comedy was great and Braun's eventual elimination was fun. I was really into it up until then.

The middle was the worst, and Gertner dropping in that he has seen them all, it is quite a regular thing to have lulls in the Rumble. I thought this one was way too long, but yeah.

Going into last 5, it still could have been 7-8 people winning the thing. That never happens and I thought that was awesome. Hate Lesnar/Goldberg story but understand what they are trying to do with a very limited Goldberg.

Also get the impression that they know people hate Reigns. He wasn't put at 30, didn't eliminate Undertaker and wasn't in the last two for no reason. I was irate, they completely played me. I was in full revolt mode...And then marked out for the RKO and the actual elimination.

It was a really smart finish and meant I was genuinely shocked and happy at the end.

Do I think an Angle run in the middle part would have been amazing? Yes! Are there some proposed Mania matches coming from the event that sound underwhelming? Definitely, but it wasn't a bad Rumble
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Watched just the Rumble match. Definitely a top 5 Royal Rumble match and I've seen them all.

I love this criticism : there were no surprise in the Rumble

Wrestlemania: wtf is with all the part timers taking up spots.
Surprise entrants like DDP don't also appear at Mania.
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:33 AM   #1209
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Surprise entrants like DDP don't also appear at Mania.
Probably not the best name to drop.
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:39 AM   #1211
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Yes but the point is part timers still have a place on both shows.
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I think my biggest beef with the rumble was up until #20 there was nobody in that could win it. Just made it uneven. Once 20 hit, it got pretty fun, but it made me keep expecting something HUGE.

In retrospect I give the match a 7 because i was really enjoying Braun and enjoyed when the big boys "came out to play". Would have been higher, but Roman at 30 while maybe straight up booking wise was not a bad decision in that it was a strawman, making you think he'd win, but after feeling like something YUGE would happen at number 30, they gave us Roman, who we already saw, and also wasn't selling the beating from earlier.
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They gave us Roman so we would cheer Randy.
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Yeah, like I said... technically not a bad idea, it's just I could have gone for something actually special.
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What was good about it? They back-loaded all the stars and nothing happened for the first 45 minutes. It's like they were just throwing guys out to fill time until the match actually started at the 26th entrant. It was awful. lol
It felt like pretty much everybody was important, set up feuds, little stories inter twined.
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Only he hasn't come in to feud with Cena, and they could have done what they did on Raw at the Rumble. Sometimes people have certain expectations (e.g. You get surprises in the Rumble) and sometimes you have to deliver on those expectations or you disappoint people.

Come on Gert, not the same thing at all.
How is it not? It's a part timer taking a spot away from a full timer
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Surprise entrants like DDP don't also appear at Mania.
It's still a non roster wrestler taking a spot. There's no difference.
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Old 01-31-2017, 11:43 AM   #1221
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5 minutes in the Rumble is not the same as 20 at WrestleMania, though.

I'd rather have seen someone like DDP - or another NXT guy - than James Ellsworth out there.
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The Rumble is one of the only events where fans can expect surprises. Some people would want a one off DDP. Ok, not my thing but it's a surprise. This year with it being treated like a big 4 with the whole weekends worth of shows nxt, raw, SDL in the same area and the big stadium for the ppv you kinda expect something cool to happen.

30 was a great chance for someone to come in and make an impact. Hell, even 27 was a waste on Enzo. Anyway, he wouldnt even have to win. Instead, Roman was used to troll fans into getting them to cheer for Orton who they might not have been overly excited about.

Way to get people to care about your product. Get them to vote for Hil Dog or Trump and they'll cheer at that moment only for whomever sucks less.
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5 minutes in the Rumble is not the same as 20 at WrestleMania, though.

I'd rather have seen someone like DDP - or another NXT guy - than James Ellsworth out there.
It's a non roster wrestler taking the spot of a roster wrestler.

I'm not even complaining, I like the surprise entrants, but it's really no different
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Way to get people to care about your product. Get them to vote for Hil Dog or Trump and they'll cheer at that moment only for whomever sucks less.
I agree, Trump should have came out at #30
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How is it not? It's a part timer taking a spot away from a full timer
The complaint about Mania is that the part-timers take prime positions at the top of the card meaning your all year round guys miss the card/get lumped into the Battle Royal. Prime example looking at this year might be Styles, who's had a fantastic year but is looking like the odd man out on the card because Brock, Berg, Taker, HHH are all being brought in.

The Rumble match has 30 guys in it, having 3 or 4 surprise/legend entrants should knock off your real low card guys (did anyone miss Titus on Sunday?) but really this is the first year in a long time were a bunch of guys that should have been on the card/in the match didn't get in due to the volume of the overall roster. The SmackDown tag division was completely absent from the card (including the champs) which isn't great but they were kept out of the match by the same part-timers who are taking the Mania spots (rightly or not) and some lacklustre "surprises".

Ultimately as good as Gallagher's little stink was, Ellsworth's deal, Enzo, Henry in Texas, Crews, and Kalisto weren't what the audience expected as their surprises in the Rumble.
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I see all the time how it sucks because a wrestler does not receive a Mania check because of part timers. Same thing for the rumble.

Plus, you already had Taker, Brock, and Goldberg. That's 10% of the Rumble already filled by part timers.

But I love part timers because they are typically huge stars. If I could have Rock, Cena, Berg, Brock, Angle, HHH, and every other part timer who is a superstar at Mania instead of Owens and Ambrose I would be more than happy to take it.
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My thoughts (I'm going to do snowflakes even though I hate them to bother people):

* Charlotte vs. Bayley was an odd choice for opener. I'm still annoying by the very presence of main roster Bayley. She seems "over" though. I think the trend will fade when people realize she is not very good. Decent match, but nothing special. I remember Charlotte taunting Bayley and the finish. Oh, and Charlotte getting some blood. That would be a good way to continue to the feud. "You may have left with the belt, but you also left with a battle scar. So much for hopeless Bayley, right?" **

* Kevin Owens vs. Roman Reigns made me realize how much I fucking hate Kevin Owens. Ugh. I loved his presentation in NXT, but his work on the main roster is shameless pandering to "smart" crowds. I also hate the way his t-shirt rides up and you see he's wearing a singlet underneath, because it emphasizes the fact that the WWE is ashamed of their guy's body. It made me think about attire during the match, and how Roman Reigns is still a babyface that wrestles in FUCKING BODY ARMOR! Argh!

* I was rooting for Reigns to win the title so that a heavyweight guy that doesn't need to jump for the Stunner could hold it. Oh well. The Frog Splash through the table looked sick -- that's the sort of clip they'd add to the RAW intro if this were the Attitude era. The chair spot looked shit. I don't know how morons can buy into near falls when they still have a table set up in the corner and a tower of chairs on the outside. Completely removes the suspension of disbelief. Because of the athleticism and crowd, I think saying this was "very good" is a stretch, but I'll give it that. ***1/2

* People do not give a flying fuck about the cruiserweights. Rich Swann has been presented as a pity party. He cannot talk and his head movements make him look like a jerk. Looks weird, like a natural heel, except he's tiny. Apparently he's a great dude and a whole lot of fun to be around, but he's not fun to watch. The crowd sat on their hands for this, but would occasionally perk up when Swann did something insane. They worked hard here, it was slightly better than the women's match, but not by that much. **1/2

* AJ Styles vs. John Cena was better than Okada vs. Omega. Suck it. Still not a perfect match, but that's fine. That's good -- gives people a reason to keep chasing it and getting better. I don't mind Cena winning the belt because the match put Styles on a whole other level. I don't really like that Styles loses his belt while Owens gets to continue to fuck around in the mid-card with his. This is the first Rumble title match that I feel should have closed the show. ****1/2

* I actually thought the Royal Rumble Match itself was good. What the fuck are these surprises people are going on about? We got Jack Gallagher. I didn't know he was going to be in there, and he was great. Mark Henry wasn't scheduled. Kane wasn't in the match, which surprised me. Brock got eliminated quickly. I thought there was a lot of cooperation and well thought out spots in this match, which almost got too cute at times, but it was a lot better than some other Rumbles. I actually had no problem with almost anything that happened during the "still goes to go" section of the Rumble. The weirdest thing to me was Bray being the first Wyatt Family member in. The way they are playing it out, Bray is almost a valiant leader -- it's like they want him to be babyfaced by this, but Orton is clearly going to be cheered despite being the massive douche.

* The ending fucking sucked though. Roman Reigns sucked the god damn wind out of the place. He is NOT the guy. The stare-down with Undertaker legitimatelly depressed the wrestling fan in me. No one gives a flying fuck-doodle about that match. But it's going to happen, because fuck everyone. Orton winning feels mid-card, not because Orton is mid-card, but because he's been working mid-card since Brock killed him. Very underwhelming, which brings the entire thing down. "Very good" Rumble, "Awful" ending -- averages out to *1/2.

This means the average score of the 2017 Royal Rumble was **1/2 -- or "average." This is mainly for Cena/Styles and the Rumble Match itself, with the Owens/Reigns ECW match being fun for a first-time view, and everything else being completely redundant or upsetting.
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Some of my friends hated the Gallagher bit, others loved it for the same reason: It was dumb.

Baron Corbin is that guy who used to sit by himself at a lunch while wearing a wolf shirt.

Again, was the Sister Abigail tease by Harper getting a pop because it was something people wanting to see, or was it because it was a thing that happened at a Royal Rumble where not much did happen.

And I stand by this: The worst thing a bunch of people can do in this kind of match is absolutely nothing. There are four sides of the ring. People could be brawling in the corners while the main action goes on in the center. Or were they so bothered that something else go on would distract the old guys, who are the only thing we're supposed to give a shit about (according to Creative).
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