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Old 01-07-2006, 04:36 PM   #1
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Off the bench, in the outfield...

Simply trading him for the sake of trading him is a weak, knee jerk reaction. Things can change, injuries other team's suddenly having a need. Trading koskie and say Lilly for a better OF or P, etc.

Seems to me JP was too eager to trade Koskie. Perhaps there was more to it (Koskie asking to be traded behind the scenes)
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Speaking of Toronto OF, this is what JP told the Sun will happen "if all goes well"

vs. RHP
LF Hinske
CF Wells
RF Catalanatto
Bench: Rios, Johnson

vs. LHP
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CF Wells
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Bench: Hinske, Catalanatto
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Speaking of Toronto OF, this is what JP told the Sun will happen "if all goes well"

vs. RHP
LF Hinske
CF Wells
RF Catalanatto
Bench: Rios, Johnson

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LF Johnson
CF Wells
RF Rios
Bench: Hinske, Catalanatto
Terrible. That won't fly.
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Old 01-07-2006, 05:11 PM   #4
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strong rumor going around that Theo Esptein will be back with the Red Sox in some "roll" starting next week.

I think Luccino has the president title, and they have "co-gm's", it's been talked for awhile that he stills "advises", going to be interesting if it happens where he fits in.
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Yeah I don't believe it for a second. I think it was more an "if the season started today" type statement. I still expect them to get a corner OF.

I don't like Rios at all, Johnson is the definition of a 4th OF, Catalanotto and Hinske can both do great things. I say try to package Rios in a deal with someone (possibly Lilly) for Craig Wilson or someone similar. Let Cat platoon with Hinske until the deadline and trade whichever one produces the least (most likely Hinske). And you enter 2006 with:

LF Eric Hinske/Frank Catalanotto
CF Vernon Wells
RF Craig Wilson
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Bench: Reed Johnson

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Really though, I'm shocked how little interest there was in Koskie if all it took was a 25 y/o AA reliever with zero chance of a big league future. Koskie could've upgraded alot of teams bench and a few teams' lineup.
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Can't argue with your thinking, Miz... well except I believe Rios holds 'some' potential. I'd rather insert Hinske in the fantasy trade you had in order to get Wilson.
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I would rather keep Hinske only because of a Glaus injury concern. If he goes down, Hillenbrand would play 3rd which is always an adventure. I believe by the end of the season Glaus, injured or not, will be the full time DH, and it'd be good to have Hinske around.
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What will became of Weaver? I know I've mentioned him before, but it's looking more and mire like the Dodgers and he are going to part ways. I guess I'm surprised more teams don't seem interested in him.
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I still think Cincinnati is a great fit. LA has a deadline of Sunday (tomorrow) to sign him however
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From an article in todays LA Times

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Colletti has not discussed signing free-agent pitcher Jeff Weaver with his agent, Scott Boras, in the last two days, although they plan to talk this weekend. The Dodgers have until Sunday night to sign Weaver.

Weaver reportedly is seeking a four- or five-year deal worth about $10 million a year. The Dodgers don't want to commit to more than three years, and believe the asking price is too high.

There has been speculation that Weaver would accept a one-year deal and pursue free agency again next year. However, Colletti said he has not had any discussions with Boras about signing Weaver for one year.
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If Weaver was willing to sign a one year deal, I'd think almost every team would suddenly become interested in him. Plus, I'd venture to say he'd get his 10 mil, if not more for that year.
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You know, I completely forgot about the Jae Seo trade, the trade that practically guarantees Weaver won't be back in LA. Angels are always a possiblity; Jeff is an LA guy, his brother will play for them in 07, and he's probably better than 2 of their current 5 starters.

I don't see why anyone would give Weaver a 4/5 year deal, but I know Bill Stoneman won't. If he decides to settle for a 1 or 2 year I see him in Anaheim, if not San Diego and Cincinnati would be my next guesses
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Tejada rescinds trade demand


BALTIMORE (AP) -- Miguel Tejada rescinded his demand to be traded by the Orioles, telling team officials during a phone call Saturday that he's willing to help Baltimore become a contender in the AL East.
Angered over the Orioles' inability to garner additional talent this offseason, Tejada twice expressed his desire to be traded, the last time on Dec. 29. But he backed off that stance during a conversation with teammate Melvin Mora and vice president Jim Duquette.

"Miguel said all he wanted was for the team to improve. He wants to win," Duquette said. "He doesn't know how that got blown out of proportion, and he feels terrible the way it played out."

After Tejada expressed the desire for "a change of scenery" in early December, the Orioles began fielding trade requests for the three-time All-Star. But the Orioles, who signed Tejada to a six-year, $72 million contract in December 2003, had no intention of merely giving him away.
"What we're doing is looking for a fair and reasonable return," executive vice president Mike Flanagan said earlier Saturday. "He's a guy that's under a long-term contract with us, a targeted player, a terrific player. We're just not going to do something for the sake of doing something."
Now, the Orioles intend to do nothing.
"This is the first time we heard this directly from him," Duquette said. "We're elated that he's chosen to stay. We're all committed to improving the team, and it's easier to do it with Miguel than without him."
Tejada in recent weeks refused to return calls from Flanagan, Duquette and first-year manager Sam Perlozzo. But on Saturday he told Mora, one of his closest friends on the team, that he wanted to clear the air.
The announcement came on a day the Orioles drew more than 10,000 fans to the Convention Center for FanFest, an annual offseason event attended by Flanagan, Duquette, Perlozzo and more than a dozen players.
Tejada was not in the building, but he was the main topic of conversation.
"I totally believe we're not getting the whole picture from Miggy. He's a great kid, he's always been a great kid," Perlozzo said before the conversation between Duquette and Tejada. "I can't believe the faucet went from on to off just like that."
Perlozzo expressed hope that Tejada would be in attendance at the first full-squad workout on Feb. 21, and now it appears that he will get his wish.
"Sometimes Miggy gets into situations where he says something he doesn't mean and doesn't know how to get out of it. I'm hoping this is that kind of situation," Perlozzo said. "I've got to believe this is going to come out as a positive for the Orioles, one way or another."
The best-case scenario for Baltimore was Tejada backing off his stance and displaying the same enthusiasm that has enabled him to become the team leader in the clubhouse, in the dugout and on the field.
His leadership abilities, as much as his .304 batting average, 26 homers and 98 RBIs, are what make Tejada the Orioles' most valuable player.
"I know he's a little frustrated, but I can't imagine starting the season without Miguel Tejada," pitcher Bruce Chen said. "He's going to be very hard to replace. He's a team leader, a good player. I'm pretty sure he's going to be back. Once spring training starts, I'm sure he'll be OK."

With Tejada playing a key role, the Orioles bolted into first place early in 2005 and stayed atop the AL East deep into June. But Baltimore couldn't keep up the pace and tumbled into fourth place, in part because of injuries and the steroid-related suspension of first baseman Rafael Palmeiro.
It's hard to determine if Tejada's production tailed off because of the collapse, but he batted .277 in August and .264 in September and October. He hit only four homers after July 27.

Losing -- and Palmeiro's suggestion that his positive steroid test might have come from a tainted injection of vitamin B-12 provided by Tejada -- clearly disturbed the shortstop.

His ire became more pronounced this winter after the Toronto Blue Jays fortified their roster while the Orioles were outbid for free agent Paul Konerko, lost free-agent closer B.J. Ryan and failed to add a pitcher to a young starting rotation.

Adding pitching coach Leo Mazzone, catcher Ramon Hernandez, reliever LaTroy Hawkins and first baseman Jeff Conine was not enough to ease Tejada's frustration. But now that Flanagan has a content Tejada on board, he can focus on a different kind of deal.
"It hasn't made us work harder," Flanagan said, "it's made it harder to work."

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BALTIMORE (AP) -- Miguel Tejada rescinded his demand to be traded by the Orioles, telling team officials during a phone call Saturday that he's willing to help Baltimore become a contender in the AL East.
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You know, I wouldn't be surprised if he's boo'ed at Camden Yards... while still playing for them.
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Marlins executives to talk with Portland officials about ballpark
January 6, 2006

MIAMI (AP) -- Florida Marlins representatives plan to meet next week with Portland, Ore. officials about the team's possible relocation to the city in the event it can't get a baseball-only stadium in South Florida.
Marlins president David Samson will travel to Portland on Monday for a one-day visit, team spokesman P.J. Loyello said Friday. Samson will be accompanied by Marlins vice chairman Joel Mael and Claude Delorme, who is in charge of stadium development.
Since their inception in 1993, the Marlins have shared the Miami Dolphins' home, owned by Wayne Huizenga. The Marlins' lease with the stadium is in effect until 2007, and the team could move after that. If the team relocates, Las Vegas and Portland appear to be the early front-runners.

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What about the Phillies for Weaver?
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They're not going to spend any more on starting pitching, they just blew $2.6 mil on a pitcher who has consistently led the league in HR allowed while pitching in the AL's best pitchers ball park. I can't wait to see Franklin get raped in Philly.

They're happy with Lieber/Myers/Wolf/Lidle/Franklin, which isn't too awful I suppose.
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Cincinnati is pathetic. I think Claussen and Harang will have good years and Milton will bounce back somewhat, they're still probably the worst in the NL. I don't know their financial situation but almost any FA reliver would help.
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OK, they're not so bad. It's just my "not being a fan of Jason Johnson" thing shining through
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Johnson is terrible but he's just their #5, not much is expected of him this year. Their 1-4 are very good, and CC Sabathia might win the Cy Young this year. Comparing them to the Reds is not even close to fair.
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Ryan Franklin... what to say... as a pretty big Mariner fan, this guy was scary to watch. Thing is he'd show some great talent from time to time. Enough to frustrate you. Piniero seems to have gone this way as well... as well as Meche.

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CC for CY?

High praise for a guy that's not yet proven himself as a true #1 yet.
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CC for CY?

High praise for a guy that's not yet proven himself as a true #1 yet.
I don't actually think he'll win, but he's definately a candidate and definatelt thye ace of his staff. People forget how young he is, when healthy he is one of the best 3 lefties in the AL.

2006 is probably too early, but when he shows me he can throw 200+ innings I'll pick him to win one.

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CC's pretty damn inconsistant. He got lit up pretty good for like a month and a half last year.
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I've always hated Franklin. Even in like 2001-2002 when everyone around here thought he was going to be the next big thing I was just never sold on him. He never showed me anything that said he wasn't going to give up alot of bombs and strikeout next to no one. One of the few highlights on the 2005 Mariners season was being able to say "I told you so" to fellow M's fans who gave up on him.

Gil Meche, I've always thought could be a decent enough middle relief guy. He just doesn't have the starter makeup. This year should've been an indication he's not going to get any better.

Pineiro I've always liked, he has great stuff, but I'm getting a little tired of him. Like Meche he would be better suited in the bullpen, unfortunately Bavasi wouldn't know where to begin converting a starter and finding a new one.

Oh well. Our team still sucks. I have to hand it to Bavasi though, it must be a challenge to try to equal your loss total to your million dollar spent.

I'm calling it, 2006 Seattle Mariners, 86 million dollars, 86 losses.
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CC had a great finish, much like the whole Tribe last year, but yeah, inconsistant he has been. If CC wins the CY next year, then hats off to Miz right now.
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If I was the Reds, I'd be more worried about their lack of cover at first base.
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Yeah what are you talking about. Dunn is at first, Kearns/Griffey/Pena outfield.

Until they all get injured [/DaveWadding]
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Adam Dunn is a left fielder
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...who will play first base in 2006.

.900+ OPS and 40+ homers is worth the crappy defense
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As well as 190 and 168 K's?
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No doubt he K's alot and has his flaws, but he is an extremely productive offensive player. 168 K's does not cancel out 40 HR, 101 RBI, 114 BB, .387 OBP, and .540 SLG
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CC is only 26 right?

True, he's got a ton of experience behind him already. Felix

As for Dunn, Gooner, he strikes out a ton, but he still nets the results that teams are looking for when all is said and.... DUNN.

- he also score 100+ runs
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