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Old 05-15-2010, 08:54 PM   #1
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I was loving last weeks episode, and then the Smoke Monster transformation seemed abrupt and underscored. I thought about it for a while, and realized it was right the way it was. That's how it should be, really. What would a 10 minute powerpoint by Jacob explaining his powers do? The problem with things that get as big and involving as Lost, is that everyone's got their visions and opinions of how things should be. Expectations become mythical in status.
You cant explain powers like that. I dont know how one could even do it. There always has to be some mystery to the supernatural or else it just devalues it.
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I want to go back and watch the episode again this weekend too. I need to re-listen to the stuff Mother says about the cave of light, and how that relates to Jacob's explanation of the island as a cork in a bottle.
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Not to raise expectations, but this week's episode is supposed to be pretty awesome according to early reviews from people who went to whatever event they had last week with the composer for Lost.
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I'm in a good position though, because all along I've sort of purged myself of questions. I watch avidly to find out what's going to happen, but early on I taught myself that I was in it for the ride, and the characters/mythology, not the prize.
I probably got to be that way in the second or third season really. I really haven't been anything but pleased with what they deliver.
I'm glad I'm not as concerned with theories and everything fitting. I feel as though at this point, I've gotten what I wanted from that. I never had a real opinion on what I wanted everything to be anyways, I just wanted more Lost.

I've learned to expect quality, and not much more than that. I have things I'd like to see happen, and wouldn't like to see happen naturally, but as long as the story is given justice and they do good by what they have done for the past 6 years, that's fine with me.

I'm glad to hear that they've made a conscious effort to put the mythology stuff to rest at this stage, and focus in on the characters and current plot for the finale.
The mythology and mystery has been given plenty of answers, I feel. I am good with most of it. I like that some of it can be talked about for ages. That's what makes mystery and mythology compelling.
It's the characters and story that needs resolution, not the exposition.
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I'm in a good position though, because all along I've sort of purged myself of questions. I watch avidly to find out what's going to happen, but early on I taught myself that I was in it for the ride, and the characters/mythology, not the prize.
I probably got to be that way in the second or third season really. I really haven't been anything but pleased with what they deliver.
I'm glad I'm not as concerned with theories and everything fitting. I feel as though at this point, I've gotten what I wanted from that. I never had a real opinion on what I wanted everything to be anyways, I just wanted more Lost.

I've learned to expect quality, and not much more than that. I have things I'd like to see happen, and wouldn't like to see happen naturally, but as long as the story is given justice and they do good by what they have done for the past 6 years, that's fine with me.

I'm glad to hear that they've made a conscious effort to put the mythology stuff to rest at this stage, and focus in on the characters and current plot for the finale.
The mythology and mystery has been given plenty of answers, I feel. I am good with most of it. I like that some of it can be talked about for ages. That's what makes mystery and mythology compelling.
It's the characters and story that needs resolution, not the exposition.
well said The mythology means nothing if I didnt care for the characters so much
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One thing I can't help but "expect" is more resolution for the real Locke. I don't want to go in focusing on that happening, because it may not. And maybe it shouldn't. I will have to see how the story unfolds, and how it all fits in the end before I can judge that. I just can't help but have the desire and suspicion that he's coming back. I don't want to hinge my enjoyment of anything on that though, since it very well could fit into a plan we haven't seen unfold yet.
We shall see.
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I've thought it's been awesome how they've managed to continually attach more and more meaning to "the numbers" without giving a flat out explanation or reason for them. They're just a meaningful pattern of numbers that arise in key situations of the show, and it's meaning is open to coincidence vs fate.
I thought having it ultimately culminate as the candidates was a huge payoff.
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Agreed, especially that I thought we were done with the numbers headed into the season.

It also ties in really well with the Valenzetti Equation about saving the world, which is what we were told they originally were (through the Lost Experience)
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Screw this "Lost Experience". If it isn't in the show then it is irrelevant to me.
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You're supposed to say "Thanks for your take".
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VERY EXCITED for tonight's ep.

Desmond is one of my top 3 characters and I cannot wait until him and Jack have a lil catch up. Not that I fully expect this to happen.
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Awesome awesome episode.

Question- MIB's main goal is to get off the island, but now Jacob is saying that they must protect The Light from him.
I know he looked for the light for years, but why would he be trying to find it? Doesn't he just want to leave?
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:54 PM   #22
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Maybe he needs to go back into the tunnel to leave?

Or at least into the light the same way?

I am pissed with the way characters are just going out without fully learning about them. grrrrr.
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I thought he just wanted to flat out leave the Island, but maybe that was his way of trying to kill the candidates?
Like I said, I'm a bit unclear right now as to whether he wants to leave the island or steal the light. It seems as though those are two different things, and it's really a matter of what's at stake

Maybe Jacob just meant they need to protect the light from him in case he wants to use it?
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Well after last week I truly feel he thinks of the light as his way off the island, expecially after going into it. He has to Kill Jacob and stop the candidates so that no one is protecting the light.

The Plane/Sub was just a way to get everyone together to be killed.

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but he also wants to destroy the Island now? Although that sounds like more of a reaction to what Whidmore told him.
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Also, MIB recruited Ben by promising him he could have the Island once he was gone. Then he tells Ben flat out that he wants to destroy the island now.
Sweet deal...

I need to rewatch the episode, because I'm pretty confused on what the fuck MIB's motive is right now. The antagonists overall motive is a pretty important thing
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:37 AM   #28
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well tonight's episode confirmed that MIB going into the tunnel is where the smoke monster originated. so that answers that.

Jeri, like Hanso was kind of saiyng, I think maybe MIB/Smoke/Locke has to go back into the tunnel to get his release if you want to call it that. But now he wants to destroy everything anyway.

So now my question is what or who was the mother protecting the light from in the first place because there was no Smoke Monster. Was thier some other "evil?" ugh


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Old 05-19-2010, 02:01 AM   #29
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So now my question is what or who was the mother protecting the light from in the first place because there was no Smoke Monster. Was thier some other "evil?" ugh

I think it was just protecting it from anyone. That includes the ancients, Dharma, and of course the MIB.
MIB became the monster, but he wasn't really a threat until he killed Jacob. He couldn't hurt Jacob and Jacob was there to protect against him.
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:44 AM   #30
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:55 AM   #31
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When is it shown for you fuckers in U.S?

What episode are you on over there?
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:58 AM   #32
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Old 05-19-2010, 02:01 AM   #33
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So we are like 2 weeks behind in the U.K?

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Old 05-19-2010, 08:56 AM   #34
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So we are like 2 weeks behind in the U.K?

Fuck, I need torrents.
You might be, but we're not.

The ep shown in the US on a Tuesday night is shown a Friday, so last's night episode will be on this coming Friday. The finale is on Sunday in the US and will be shown on the usual Friday slot over here.

All in all, the UK has been 3 days behind the entire series.
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Old 05-19-2010, 09:06 AM   #35
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So we found out why Kate's (and Claire's for that matter) name was crossed out.

Also that Jin was the remaining candidate which in turn is probably why Sun didnt flash back till the 70's with the Ajira people.

My take on Ben's comment regarding summoning the smoke monster ("I realized he was summoning me"): I think by summoning the monster, you are doing exactly as he wants: Kill people, destroy, etc. etc.

This goes back to my theory that MiB came to the ancients on the Island as a God and had them build these temples. He manipulated them into doing exactly what Jacob was hoping they wouldnt.
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Old 05-19-2010, 04:07 AM   #36
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Old 05-19-2010, 04:07 AM   #37
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Amazing episode. Loved Ben and Desmond throughout.

So like, did Richard die or what?
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Old 05-19-2010, 04:21 AM   #38
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I don't think Richard is dead. Jack will probably release him from his "life forever" thing in the finale.

What I want to know is where Miles got off to. Thought he went into the closet with Widmore.
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Miles "took his chances running through the jungle". I wonder what part he's going to play in the finale, seems kind of like the odd one out in all of this.

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