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Old 02-22-2011, 03:32 PM   #1281
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Everyone buy Hard Corps:Uprising now.
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Old 02-22-2011, 03:54 PM   #1282
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Ya know what: Everybody who mentioned the game says to outright buy it.

Still didn't play the damn demo cause it doesn't wanna download. I want my Contra-Guilty Gear!
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:11 PM   #1283
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Everyone buy Hard Corps:Uprising now.
I bought it days ago. What now, mufugga?

Actually, I will not be hopping on mvc3 online for a bit. Played my brother and got my ass handed pretty badly until I had to but out my last resort team. Then we just kinda fucked around getting a bunch of online achievements. BTW, is the Weapon X one fucked for anyone else? That and I still haven't sat down with this alone yet.
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:19 PM   #1284
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What's with the whole 'I won't play online until I get used to it' line I get from people. It's matches against friends not Ranked.

Dunno, going online is like the first thing I do with any game. Private or Player matches at least.
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:13 PM   #1285
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:21 PM   #1286
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Ironically enough, all three were nerfed and no longer function as a unit the way they did in MvC2. You'll need a new can of worms, and you no longer have the comfort of raping 95% of the cast. Felicia can fuck up any of those three now; that idea was laughable in MvC2.

But seriously it's not gonna be 10 years before the next Vs game (Marvel style). Probably gonna be against a new company as well.
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:26 PM   #1287
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From what I've heard, Sentinel is still pretty fucked up.
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:37 PM   #1288
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What's with the whole 'I won't play online until I get used to it' line I get from people. It's matches against friends not Ranked.

Dunno, going online is like the first thing I do with any game. Private or Player matches at least.
I have to have a feel for the characters I am playing. I was playing my brother, who I am slightly better than at most fighting games. He raped me up and down for 5 straight matches because I didn't have my timing down, combos right and worst of all know the entire movesets of the people I played. That's why. I'm very particular about fighters that way.
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:37 PM   #1289
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What, were those 3 just unstoppable and a noob tactic?
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:11 PM   #1290
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From what I've heard, Sentinel is still pretty fucked up.
Sent is cheap. I haven't played enough MVC2 to comment on him there, but in this game, he's pretty cheap. Insane damage, highest health in the game. Sent drones from across the screen, insane range and I think armor on his launcher if you do get in. That's not even getting into combo potential. Cheap.

I went over to SRK last night to read some threads. What I found interesting is that when they're discussing high level play with Street Fighter, people will talk about option select, crazy links, FADC ultras, etc.. With MVC3, it seems like all the high level play talk boils down to spamming until there's an opening, then hitting a combo for anywhere from 50-100% of a characters life. Yes, you have 3 characters so really it's only a third of your whole health, but come on. One character gets knocked out, and by that time your opponent has built some meter up. So my second character comes in, and if my opponent decides to use a beam super, I either eat it for about 30% damage, or block and get chipped for 15%. I go on, and miss or fuck up a single input, and get comboed again, maybe a triple crossover air combo this time that puts me completely out. Then my third character comes in, and I activate X Factor, but so does my opponent, and uses some more accumulated meter and I'm done.

I'm not gonna pretend that this is every match, but it illustrates how minuscule the margin of error is in this game. If I fuck up in Street Fighter against a good player, I might get comboed and lose 30% of my life. If I fuck up against a tournament level player, I might lose 60% or so. But in this game, against just a decent player, if I miss an input, I've lost probably 50% of my life. If I miss an input against a more than decent player, I've lost a character.
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:13 PM   #1291
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From what I've heard, Sentinel is still pretty fucked up.
Pfft. His candy-ass. His hitbox is huge and he's slow as shit. His air combo > OTG Rocket Punch > hyper is VERY damaging. And his armored low attack and launcher is kinda scary... But conceptually, damage wise, he's no different than Hulk. And nobody's talking about Hulk. Hulk can ice your ass faster than Sent!

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I have to have a feel for the characters I am playing. I was playing my brother, who I am slightly better than at most fighting games. He raped me up and down for 5 straight matches because I didn't have my timing down, combos right and worst of all know the entire movesets of the people I played. That's why. I'm very particular about fighters that way.
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What, were those 3 just unstoppable and a noob tactic?
I would say 'noob tactic' but they hilariously unfair in MvC2. People loved it. Now everybody's unfair and people are bitching at various sites. Balanced by broken, and it really works for now.
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:16 PM   #1292
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Blitz, everything you said are things you can do to the opposition.
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:29 PM   #1293
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GunMetalTV on J.TV is unwatchable. Dude is top 5 in the world, and just spams to win. It is sickening to me. Just spends all day playing scrubs, talking about how awesome he is.
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What it boils down is that I don't think it's a good design decision to be able to take 70% of a character's life, and build decent meter while you're at it, off a single light attack. Doesn't matter if I can do it too.

It's not an awful game. I'm making (slow) progress. I just think it could be more fun and beginner-friendly.
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GunMetalTV on J.TV is unwatchable. Dude is top 5 in the world, and just spams to win. It is sickening to me. Just spends all day playing scrubs, talking about how awesome he is.
Just watched a couple of his matches. Wow. Appalling.
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Old 02-22-2011, 07:34 PM   #1296
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What it boils down is that I don't think it's a good design decision to be able to take 70% of a character's life, and build decent meter while you're at it, off a single light attack. Doesn't matter if I can do it too.
You almost certainly have spend meter to cut 70% off. Character killer meter-less combos are so situational you'll hardly ever see it in an actual match. You also gain meter for taking damage, not to mention better XF for losing a character.

I do agree in some way how a massive combo or attack starting from one unseen crouching light attack (or any mistake) can be frustrating. In fact I'm lock step with how you feel in general, sense I spout similar rants on CoD's game design. I get you, I'm just on the other side of aisle this time.

I will play tonight maybe.
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:01 PM   #1297
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Damn, just had about 10 matches with kalyx. Won the last one which made me feel pretty good.

He literally messaged me like like 10 minutes after I popped it in for the first time, but I don't think I did too horrible. Every match except the first came down to our last guys.

Kalyx's dante is sick but I figured it would be since he was announced in the game.

So far I'm liking Chun-Li, X-23, Super Skrull, and Cap.
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Old 02-22-2011, 11:41 PM   #1298
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Really feeling Super Skrull right now.

I like x-23, but I'm still trying to adjust to the speed of the game as a whole, and she's one of the fastest characters here, so she'll probably go to the wayside for a bit.
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What it boils down is that I don't think it's a good design decision to be able to take 70% of a character's life, and build decent meter while you're at it, off a single light attack. Doesn't matter if I can do it too.

It's not an awful game. I'm making (slow) progress. I just think it could be more fun and beginner-friendly.
There are combos into ultras in street fighter 4 that take over half a life bar.

There really isn't much difference, only that your lifebar is divided among three characters.

Just because the hit count is bigger, doesn't mean you are doing more damage. It is just the vs series style to exaggerate things.

My SSF4 Chun Li's Jumping double Fierce Punch > Crouching Fierce > Spinning Bird Kick > Super Combo does wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more damage than any combo you can do in MvC.

You are looking at the lifebars as seperate entities. If you think of all three life bars as a whole, then you can never do more than a third of damage on any combo. Unless your assist gets caught along with you, which is your own fault, really.

Point is, I think people look at the hit counter and how much life gets taken off a single lifebar. That is not how it's meant to be played. The whole point is to look at the bigger picture and truly play it as a team game, and not just play each individual character, if that makes sense. That is why reviewers are clamoring about the amount of depth. It makes you consider advantages and disadvantages of using this character with that one, and forces you to be creative in how you use characters together.

I was leaning on your side of the fence while watching videos, but after spending some time against kalyx and in training I'm starting to see through illusion of simplicity this game has when you first boot it up.

To be fair, it is easy to miss all that depth at first. It does seem like a combo-a-thon, due to the speed and large hit counter, but like I said, once I took a step back and looked at the big picture things started to come together for me a bit more, and I was really enjoying choosing characters and seeing how they play off eachother.

Give it some time man.
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Yes me Figgy had some matches, but he's brand new in the game. Certain assist set-ups I held back at first for fear of 'putting him off' the game. It wasn't till the later matches I gave him the usual Dante and Trish. I think he'll do fine based on tonight.

Also he has a good attitude about it. No complaints when I hit him with back to back hypers or Dante's relaunch combo, he was more bewildered than anything. Loved his reaction to Viper's Focus Attack. Like "wtf!"
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One thing I forgot about is you can knock their other characters back in. That would have been real useful when playing alvy.
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Round 1 DLC Poll Results (Officially sanctioned by Capcom):

Marvel

1. Venom - 2034
2. Gambit - 1704
3. Cyclops- 1110
4. Ghost Rider - 1095
5. Carnage - 992
6. Psylocke - 967
7. Ms Marvel 792
8. Dr Strange 758
9. Night Crawler - 757
10. Green Goblin - 748
11. Iron Fist - 553
12. Juggernaut - 538
13. Daredevil - 500
14. Cable - 497
15. Rogue - 496

Capcom

1. Strider 2094
2. Mega Man X - 2061
3. Phoenix Wright - 1734
4. Frank West - 1311
5. Gene - 1257
6. Classic Megaman - 950
7. Vergil - 919
8. Captain Commando - 784
9. Bison - 704
10. Jin Saotome - 677
11. Jon Talbain - 617
12. Bass.Exe - 606
13. Ken - 469
14. Leon Kennedy - 419
15. Cammy - 416

I don't know how many rounds there will be, but I have a feeling it'll continue until a final four survives. I wouldn't expect the winners to be developed until next year as a part of Capcom's third wave of next-gen fighters.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:15 AM   #1305
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Fuck that lack of love for Cammy.
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Round 1 DLC Poll Results (Officially sanctioned by Capcom):

Marvel

1. Venom - 2034
2. Gambit - 1704
3. Cyclops- 1110
4. Ghost Rider - 1095
5. Carnage - 992
6. Psylocke - 967
7. Ms Marvel 792
8. Dr Strange 758
9. Night Crawler - 757
10. Green Goblin - 748
11. Iron Fist - 553
12. Juggernaut - 538
13. Daredevil - 500
14. Cable - 497
15. Rogue - 496

Capcom

1. Strider 2094
2. Mega Man X - 2061
3. Phoenix Wright - 1734
4. Frank West - 1311
5. Gene - 1257
6. Classic Megaman - 950
7. Vergil - 919
8. Captain Commando - 784
9. Bison - 704
10. Jin Saotome - 677
11. Jon Talbain - 617
12. Bass.Exe - 606
13. Ken - 469
14. Leon Kennedy - 419
15. Cammy - 416
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I got Cammy-ish characters anyway, with X23 and Jill coming up.

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Old 02-23-2011, 03:39 PM   #1310
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Nightcrawler
Iron Fist
Talbain
Megaman

That would be my list. Keeping in mind that I think Megaman could have been much better given the amount of robot master powers out there. They only use leaf shield? Really? And the soccer ball kick was in because I think MM 8 was the most recent release, and no one gives a shit about that in 2011, so we can lose that move.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:52 PM   #1311
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He should gain the moves of people he KOs, assuming Mega Man classic will win. X seems to have his own suit of abilities regardless of who he beats. I'm no expert, though.
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I could see Nightcrawler, Megaman X and Talbain, but Iron Fist would be a bit trickier to add without being too similar to other guys in already.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:56 PM   #1313
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Nightcrawler would presumably play like Wesker. At best they could combine Wesker's proximity teleport with other character's tracking teleport. Also give him an 8-way teleport dash.
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Teleport throws. You ever play Next Dimension?
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:21 PM   #1316
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No, but a teleport throw would be too strong even in a game designed to be absurd.
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So, I know I haven't really said much in the thread, but a few of my thoughts...

Yeah, Sentinel is spam friendly.
Super Skrull is pretty much equally spamable. (Tenderizer mix ups play hell with the CPU.)
Deadpool is fun, but not super impressive.
I really like Taskmaster.
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