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Old 04-30-2013, 04:10 AM   #1321
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He probably shouldn't have answered the question then. Poor judgment on his part.
This response is bullshit. Broussard has an opinion that doesn't jive with the what you wanna hear so you feel like he should be fired?

Fuck that. If he feels that way then accept that as his opinion.
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Old 04-30-2013, 04:13 AM   #1322
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He knew going on at this point would avail him the chance to hate on gay people. "It's his opinion" is such an old-tired excuse. He's a fucking basketball analayst. His opinion on homosexuality is irrelevant. It shouldn't have been asked and he certainly should have ducked out of the question politietly as possible.
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Old 04-30-2013, 04:18 AM   #1323
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He won't get fired but probably gets punished with less air time for the near future or ESPN doesn't bother to renew his contract once its up like they did with others in the past.
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He knew going on at this point would avail him the chance to hate on gay people. "It's his opinion" is such an old-tired excuse.
I don't really feel he "hated" on gay people. He's stated in the past that he felt the NBA was ready for an openly gay player.
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He called homosexuality a sin and a rebellion to god. I don't care about his opinion on this issue just that he chose to speak about it right after a man came out of the closet.
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Old 04-30-2013, 04:22 AM   #1326
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He knew going on at this point would avail him the chance to hate on gay people. "It's his opinion" is such an old-tired excuse. He's a fucking basketball analayst. His opinion on homosexuality is irrelevant. It shouldn't have been asked and he certainly should have ducked out of the question politietly as possible.

The same liberties that would give him the right to praise a man for being gay give him the same liberties to say what he said.

The shit works both ways.
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Old 04-30-2013, 04:23 AM   #1327
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He called homosexuality a sin and a rebellion to god. I don't care about his opinion on this issue just that he chose to speak about it right after a man came out of the closet.
Bruh in Christianity, it is a sin and an open rebellion to God. It's not any of our place to judge anyone lest we're judged ourselves. Everyone has to answer for their transgressions or whatever when we die.

according to the bible edited by King James.

He's a Christian, that is what he was taught. let the man have his opinion.
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He called homosexuality a sin and a rebellion to god. I don't care about his opinion on this issue just that he chose to speak about it right after a man came out of the closet.
He didn't just come out and say "Hey gay people suck!"

He was asked to join a panel about the effects an openly homosexual player would have on the NBA. He doesn't agree with it, and also stated as well that ALL sex outside of marriage (not just homosexual sex) were sins. He then proceeded to say....

"In talking to some people around the league, there's a lot Christians in the NBA and just because they disagree with that lifestyle, they don't want to be called bigoted and intolerant and things like that. That's what LZ was getting at. Just like I may tolerate someone whose lifestyle I disagree with, he can tolerate my beliefs. He disagrees with my beliefs and my lifestyle but true tolerance and acceptance is being able to handle that as mature adults and not criticize each other and call each other names."

He basically stated that while he disagrees with the lifestyle that he is TOLERANT of said lifestyle.
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Bruh in Christianity, it is a sin and an open rebellion to God. It's not any of our place to judge anyone lest we're judged ourselves. Everyone has to answer for their transgressions or whatever when we die.

according to the bible edited by King James.

He's a Christian, that is what he was taught. let the man have his opinion.
Did I say he couldn't have his fucking opinion on this? No. I said he shouldn't have said it so close to a player coming out. It could be easily be considered hate.

Fucking moron.
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The same liberties that would give him the right to praise a man for being gay give him the same liberties to say what he said.

The shit works both ways.
Freedom isn't free. You can be held accountable for what you say.
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His statement could be considered 'hate' just as well as his statements could be considered him offering a different point of view on a very controversial subject. The station put all of those combustible elements together so that The Discussion would start. Wasn't that the intention of the guy coming out?

Goddamn twat.
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Freedom isn't free. Obviously opinions are.
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His statement could be considered 'hate' just as well as his statements could be considered him offering a different point of view on a very controversial subject. The station put all of those combustible elements together so that The Discussion would start. Wasn't that the intention of the guy coming out?

Goddamn twat.
So, I guess you don't like gay marriage either huh?
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Krimzon and itsmeJD- good job fellas. He was stating an opinion after being questioned and then simply said that while he doesn't agree with the lifestyle, he accepts it- as Collins accepts his. This is almost a non-news story to be honest.
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Did I say he couldn't have his fucking opinion on this? No. I said he shouldn't have said it so close to a player coming out. It could be easily be considered hate.

Fucking moron.
This in a nutshell is the basis for everything that is wrong with our society. You can't have peaceful discourse or differing opinions on anything without someone throwing a fit when they aren't agreed with instantly and starting the namecalling.
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Calling somebody a sinner is not peaceful discourse.
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It's also not basis for calling for his job and going off on a rant.
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I don't think his opinion on homosexuality is relevant and shouldn't have been asked. The question about how this news would effect the league was relevant and he handled that question very well.

It seemed like he was very uncomfortable with the question with his facial expression and demeanor. He probably shouldn't have answered the question. The person who asked the question should have some sort of disciplinary action if he knew he was throwing him a softball to spout a rant about how he thinks homosexuality is a sin.
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Of course whoever made the questions up knew what he would say. It's probably why he was picked to be on that particular panel. I still don't see why anyone should face disciplinary actions. That seems very rash since the entire point of the show (and lately the network) is to encourage discussion and he was simply giving voice to what a large part of the population believes in. It's not like he said the dude should be blacklisted from the sport on every level or even anything harsh against him at all. I haven't seen the show as I try to avoid ESPN if they aren't showing highlights for this very reason but odds are he didn't feel comfortable answering but did it because it was his job and was what he was paid to do.
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I don't think his opinion on homosexuality is relevant and shouldn't have been asked. The question about how this news would effect the league was relevant and he handled that question very well.
Who's is? His opinion is no more irrelevant than anyone elses no matter if anyone agrees with it or not. If the others were allowed to give their opinions why shouldn't he?
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Nobodies except the player.

Nobody should be asked personal opinions in a professional matter. The debate is how this will effect him as a player in the league in a professional setting. Brousarad handled that question very well, but then he was asked his personal opinion on homosexuality.

Are you intentionally being thick?
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So, I guess you don't like gay marriage either huh?
To answer your question as bluntly as possible. I think all marriage is arcane.

If two men, women, hermaphrodites, elks, computers or gaseous clouds wanna get married....I could build a mountain with the fucks i wouldn't give.

Should I have kept that opinion to myself because I didn't say that I think Gay Marriage is amazing and wonderful?
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Nobodies except the player.

Nobody should be asked personal opinions in a professional matter. The debate is how this will effect him as a player in the league in a professional setting. Brousarad handled that question very well, but then he was asked his personal opinion on homosexuality.

Are you intentionally being thick?
This wasn't a black and white question. This is a profession where the professionals spend a lot of time together. These professionals often see each other more than they see their families during the season. The lines are blurred dude. There are a number of different circumstances that happen in a locker room, on a bus, on an airplane that ones personal beliefs could be brought to light and affect the chemistry of the team.

Broussard's personal opinion, whether or not anyone agrees with it, is bound to be shared by potential colleagues and at some point in a season it could become a lighting rod for conflict, conversation or whatever. If Mr. Collins felt a need to share his sexual preference then he has to be prepared for the tolerance or intolerance of these colleagues.

I never understand the stance that one person has to accept that Homosexuality is 'here' yet Homosexuals don't have to accept that everyone doesn't agree with their lifestyle.
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Since homosexuality is genetic I think you have to accept it like anything else like race. You don't have to like it, but you have to accept that it's not a choice. I don't know if by lifestyle you are saying "choice." It's not a choice.
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Since homosexuality is genetic I think you have to accept it like anything else like race. You don't have to like it, but you have to accept that it's not a choice. I don't know if by lifestyle you are saying "choice." It's not a choice.
I'm not saying choice. I'm saying lifestyle. In western civilization, 'Gay' has as much to do with a lifestyle and a community as it does with actually homosexual activity.

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Nobodies except the player.

Nobody should be asked personal opinions in a professional matter. The debate is how this will effect him as a player in the league in a professional setting. Brousarad handled that question very well, but then he was asked his personal opinion on homosexuality.

Are you intentionally being thick?
So since I think you are overreacting, and acting very immature with the namecalling, I'm being thick? Interesting.

I agree with you noone should be asked their opinions on the matter. It shouldn't even be a story, but sadly it has to be, but you singled him out as having the irrelevant opinion seemingly because he didn't agree with your view on the matter. That is what I disagree with.
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He didn't just come out and say "Hey gay people suck!"

He was asked to join a panel about the effects an openly homosexual player would have on the NBA. He doesn't agree with it, and also stated as well that ALL sex outside of marriage (not just homosexual sex) were sins. He then proceeded to say....

"In talking to some people around the league, there's a lot Christians in the NBA and just because they disagree with that lifestyle, they don't want to be called bigoted and intolerant and things like that. That's what LZ was getting at. Just like I may tolerate someone whose lifestyle I disagree with, he can tolerate my beliefs. He disagrees with my beliefs and my lifestyle but true tolerance and acceptance is being able to handle that as mature adults and not criticize each other and call each other names."

He basically stated that while he disagrees with the lifestyle that he is TOLERANT of said lifestyle.
I know this was ignored because Sticky does not want to backtrack and say he was wrong. None the less, I am quoting it just to make sure everyone sees it.
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JD was obviously being intentionally thick there.
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It boggles my mind that people are still allowed to "not agree" with homosexuality. You cannot separate homosexuality and homosexuals. "I don't agree with homosexuality but I have nothing against homosexuals." Yes, you do.

If you "don't agree" with homosexuality then you are intolerant and kind of an asshole. You don't get a free pass because you find the least offensive way to word being intolerant. Sick of this "grey area" nonsense.
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I know this was ignored because Sticky does not want to backtrack and say he was wrong. None the less, I am quoting it just to make sure everyone sees it.
I have already backtracked a little saying it was mostly the interviewer's mistake for asking for personal opinions when they are discussing how this will effect a professional environment.

What was quoted is Brousard backtracking, but not doing a great job at it. Lifestyle does have a hidden agenda for most people who say it especially for one's who have already stated hatred to homosexuals. When they say lifestyle they mean choice. So, even in his backtracking he still shows his ignorance. He also backtracked further by saying all pre-martial sex is a sin. If he had led with that statement it would have been ok.
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I never understand the stance that one person has to accept that Homosexuality is 'here' yet Homosexuals don't have to accept that everyone doesn't agree with their lifestyle.
What does this mean? What is "lifestyle" to you? What part of the "lifestyle" do you disagree with? The 'having sex with men' part of the lifestyle? Stop using all of these safe words and just say what it is that you don't like or "don't agree with."

I would respect people a ton more if they were just like "I don't like homosexuals because the thought of two men having butt sex grosses me out. I don't know why I'm like this but I can't stop," rather than dancing around everything so much.
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