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Old 01-11-2013, 12:17 AM   #1321
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I didn't know Justin Upton had a no trade clause, but apparently he just used it to veto a trade to Seattle.
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Good for him. Wouldn't want to go to that hell hole
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:33 AM   #1323
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If Justin Upton went to the Mariners and had to play 81 games at Safeco, his career would die.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:41 AM   #1324
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Wonder how different a guy like "crazy" Edgar Martinez or even Jay Buhner's numbers would look if they played their careers in Safeco.
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Wonder how different a guy like "crazy" Edgar Martinez or even Jay Buhner's numbers would look if they played their careers in Safeco.
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By the way, Edgar was one of my favorites growing up even though he broke a little boys heart in the '95 ALDS
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Wonder how different a guy like "crazy" Edgar Martinez or even Jay Buhner's numbers would look if they played their careers in Safeco.
In Edgar Martinez's case, you could also ask yourself how different his numbers would be had he been called-up earlier.

I think he was like 26 or 27 when he was called-up.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:46 AM   #1328
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Safeco is moving in their fences too this year, I think
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:51 AM   #1329
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:52 AM   #1330
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According to A-Rod, there is. Especially during the playoffs.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:50 AM   #1333
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No he does not. Career numbers are decent, at best. Schilling blows him away in postseason stats. Morris was a good pitcher on great teams. But he's not one of the best ever. The only arguments people can make for him are cherry picked stats (see above post) and made up characteristics, aka intangibles.
Morris was probably the best big game pitcher in the 1980's. Growing up watching Morris, he'd always pitch to the level of his opposition, but always won. He'd win games 2-1 and win games 7-6. He just always won, but it also effected his era. That being said, there's no other pitcher id want starting in the 80's if I had to win one game. They guy was just clutch.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:51 AM   #1334
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Starting pitching: We’ve left moundsmen to the side, but there’s a good reason for that -- Jack Morris, and the odd notion that somehow he was a great pitcher. Given that the ’80s comprised the bulk of Morris’ useful career, you’d expect that he’d rate among the best pitchers of the era. He doesn’t.

Taking a look at the pitchers’ table, you’re sure to ask: Where’s Morris? Take it all the way down to 15th, and that’s where you’d find the mustachioed workhorse -- behind Teddy Higuera and Bruce Hurst, and behind fellow warhorse Charlie Hough.

The top 10 is an interesting group itself, because it includes so many guys who suffered major arm injuries or early burnout. The ’80s represented a new, tough challenge for pitchers. Run-scoring increased, and a lot of guys broke down trying to live up to workload standards established in the ’60s and ’70s. Gooden, Tudor, Saberhagen, Hershiser -- outside of Clemens, the best pitchers of this generation all blew out their arms. The field was open for odd ducks like Mike Scott and Dave Stewart to wind up having tremendous but brief runs of greatness, but as wonderful as they were, nobody’s putting them in the Hall of Fame.

Let's bring this back to Morris. Say you want to just look at the good bits of Morris’ career -- 1978-92. Morris was just the seventh-best pitcher in that span via WAR, behind the Rocket, the Ryan Express, the Eck and Bert Blyleven, not to mention those stars of the ’80s who usually don’t get much press -- Dave Stieb and Bob Welch.

What Morris leads in from his own heyday is two big counting stats. First, there’s his 236 wins. That’s a product of three things: playing with a star-studded lineup, great run support and his durability. In the rush to condemn Morris’ worthiness, the durability seems to get short shrift, but he did throw 400 more innings than anybody else in baseball in this “Age of Morris.” If you want to argue that a man should make the Hall for being durable during an age of fast burnouts, that’s not such a bad thing.

But at that point we may as well start talking about Stieb’s worthiness as well, since he had the best balance of durability and quality during this time. But like Whitaker, Stieb is someone the BBWAA forgot, eliminating him in his first year on the ballot in 2004 with just 1.4 percent of the vote. But that isn’t going to stop me from tabbing Dave Stieb as the starting pitcher of the ‘80s, not Morris. Besides Stieb’s leading WAR tally, he was third in wins (158), behind Morris (177) and Welch (164), tied with Fernando in shutouts with 29, and his ERA+ of 128 tops even Doc Gooden (125) and the oft-injured Tudor (126). Besides, Stieb had no-hitters broken up in consecutive 1988 starts with two outs and two strikes in the ninth, and a perfect game busted up with two outs in the ninth in 1989. (He did finally get a no-hitter in 1990, against the Indians.) If anyone in this field deserves a break, it’s Stieb.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:28 AM   #1336
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Dave Steib is horribly under-rated. He was so friggen good. Too bad his arm gave out right before the Jays started winning championships.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:14 AM   #1337
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Jack Morris should be in and in no way am I biased toward him.
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:25 AM   #1338
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HGH testing? A-Rod is fucked.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:02 AM   #1339
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A Rod has already moved on to the next level shit that they havent even heard of yet.

Jack Morris is 80s Mark Beurle. Or Earlier 80s Jimmy Key.

Not hall of fame worthy.
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It's amazing with Key and Steib that the Jays didn't win the world series in the 80's. George Bell was a monster, Jesse Barfield probably had the best outfield aarm I've ever seen and they played great defence
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The 89 Jays were stacked. Steib, Key at the head with John Cerutti and Todd Stottlemyre holding their own, Duane Ward and Tom Henke were dominnt setup and closers, Fred McGriff hit 36, the team had Kelly Gruber , George Bell was solid but whined after being DH'd, Tony Fernandez was stellar, Ernie Whitt, Junior Felix were good. The A's were just too good though.
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Jack Morris is 80s Mark Beurle. Or Earlier 80s Jimmy Key.

Not hall of fame worthy.
I'm pretty sure A-Rod isn't using anything, that's why he's always injured and on a decline.

I do think we'll see some other high-profile players test positive, though.
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Of course not. Those two are prime examples of baseball players that are 100% natural.

Hard work. Talent. Determination. Discipline.
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The 89 Jays were stacked. Steib, Key at the head with John Cerutti and Todd Stottlemyre holding their own, Duane Ward and Tom Henke were dominnt setup and closers, Fred McGriff hit 36, the team had Kelly Gruber , George Bell was solid but whined after being DH'd, Tony Fernandez was stellar, Ernie Whitt, Junior Felix were good. The A's were just too good though.
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Amazing stat about an O's player that year

Jeff Ballard pitched 215 innings went 18-8 and had only 62 k's.
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"Mr. Board Game" Milton Bradley been charged with 13 counts of a.d.w., vandalism, and dissuading a witness from making a report. All of this stems from abusing his wife.

He's looking at about 13 years in jail. He does not pass go, and he does not collect $200. Sorry, couldn't resist that one.
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But that would happen like every game so that's not saying much
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I'm reading that the Mets and Diamondbacks are resuming talks for Upton. I just can't see how a deal gets done there. They had agreed to send Upton to Seattle for WAY more than the Mets could offer. Wheeler and Harvey are both untouchables, and they aren't about to flip d'Arnaud right after trading a Cy Young winner for him.

I do think they'd be willing to flip Syndergaard and they'd probably include Wilmer Flores too. There'd probably have to be 2-3 more guys in the trade too and none of them would be big time prospects or anything.

I can dream but I really can't see it happening. Even if the D-Backs lowered their asking price (which would be stupid) there are other teams who would still be able to easily outbid the Mets.
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Mets rumored to be going after Brian Wilson for bullpen depth after reports of him having a private workout for the team occurred recently.
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Which means they're going to be resold at like 4 times that. Unreal. I'm not paying $50 for a spring training ticket. I'm sure as shit not going pay 4 times that from someones else. I can't even do the math when it comes to numbers that high. Need my calcumalator.
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But I dunno, some napa valley tycoon on vacation will probably be more than happy to pay that so more to em
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I'm pretty sure A-Rod isn't using anything, that's why he's always injured and on a decline.

I do think we'll see some other high-profile players test positive, though.
Yeah, as soon as people got his name as being a juicer he dropped off and is always hurt, like most guys his age.

Fucktard.
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Mets rumored to be going after Brian Wilson for bullpen depth after reports of him having a private workout for the team occurred recently.
Would love to have Wilson. Sounds like they're not willing to offer more than a minor league deal though. Surely some other team would at least give him a 1 year Major League deal.

Also every article I've read said he'd become Frank Francisco's set up man even if Wilson is totally healthy and ready to go. Because why use a multiple time All Star as a closer when you can use a guy with a 5.53 ERA as your closer?
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Yeah but how far can Wilson throw a chair into the stands? Not as far as Francisco, I'll tell ya that much.
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News and notes:

D-Backs tack on an extra year to J.J. Putz's deal. He'll get an extra $7 mil. in 2014.

Pirates sign Jeff Karstens to a 1-year, $2.5 mil. deal.

Reds sign Cesar Izturis to a minor league deal with an invite to spring training.

A's skipper Bob Melvin gets extended 2 more years in Oakland. He's there 'til 2016.

Finally, at the owners meetings last week, the owners approved a few new rules and rule changes last week.

* Managers are now allowed to bring interpreters out to the mound to speak to pitchers who don't speak fluent english.

* A 7th coach can now be in uniform on the bench. This came about since a few teams added a second hitting coach this offseason.

* The Jeff Nelson (fake to third, throw to first pickoff move), which was gonna be outlawed starting this season, will now be considered a balk.
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