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Old 10-19-2010, 02:03 PM   #1401
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SammyG probably couldn't tell you what a cover 2 is.
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Old 10-19-2010, 02:23 PM   #1404
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It is the defense I go in on Madden and get fucking burned all the time somehow cuz the Rams defense is terrible on that game. Bigger Cover 3 fan on that game.

But a cover 2 was really established by Tampa like 10 years ago or so wasn't it? I'm sure it was used before that too, but didn't Tampa have that Tampa 2 cover that they used a lot?
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Cover 2 is a shell defense consisting of two safeties back deep each responsible for a half of the field.

Tampa 2 is zone defense, with the safties dropping back, like cover 2, but with the MLB droppin back and covering the middle of the field, with the rest of the coverage dropping back 8-10 yards from scrimmage.
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Ok, can someone confirm my beliefs in what I think is going on here please, it would be much appreciated.

What I have gathered is

- Coin flip determines kickoff, team who catchs it runs as far as possible towards the goal line (touchdown zone) when the player holding the ball is tackled play begins there.

- Players line up on the line of scrimmage and must be ten yards from each other, with 5 people on the line, 5 back and the QB

- The snapper snaps the ball back to a player behind (doesnt have to be QB, can be a hand off I think its called)

- Have to gain 10 yards within 4 downs to gain a new 1st down

- Can run the ball or pass the ball for the ten yards

- 11 players to a side

- Touchdown is 6 points, a tackle of player in touchdown zone is 2 points (safety) and after a touchdown they get a chance to

1) Kick a field goal (from how far out?) for 1 point
2) Make another TD (from 10 yards out I think) for 2 points? or is it 3?

If the positions could be defined as well, I would love that

1. Touchdown zone= Endzone. It's where you gotta go to get 6 points. After that you get a chance to kick an 18 yard field goal which is an extra point, you get 1 point for that. For a 2 point conversion, you get the ball at the two yard line and try to score another touchdown basically, you get 2 points if you get that.

2. Line of scrimmage is where the play starts, yes. There needs to be a minimum of 5 men on the line, yes, but you can also include a Tight End or two on the sides too. 5 men in the back does not happen, no. Teams can either have 1,2,3,4,5 receivers, depend on the formation they go in. Teams with potent passing attacks, like GB for example, often go into 5 spread formations (five receivers). Other teams that run, can have 5 men on the line, the QB, a fullback, and a running back lined up in a I formation, with 3 receivers. Remember, 11 on offense, 11 on defense. There is no rule that tells you how many men you should have in the backfield, but you usually won't see more than 3 (shot gun formation with dual running backs in there)

QB-Quarterback (guy the ball is snapped to )
HB/RB- Running Back (guy that gets handoffs from the QB)
WR- Wide Receiver (guys that catch the ball thrown to them from QB, although running backs get thrown to as well.)
TE- Tight End, they receive passes as well as get placed on the offensive line to block for the quarterback/running back to create time for the quarterback and create holes for the running backs to run through.

LG, LT, C, RG,RT= Left Guard, Left Tackle, Center (snaps the ball), Right Guard, Right tackle. All of these guys are on the offensive line and help protect the quarterback, or make holes for the running back.

Defensive tackles, Defensive Ends are on the defensive line, and try to get to the quarterback, or tackle the running backs, basically stop the opposing team's progress.

Linebackers line up behind the defensive line and are there to back up the defensive line. They are usually the hardest hitters in the game. LAURINAITIS BABYYY.

Cornerbacks cover the wide receivers and try to prevent completions from occuring, or they try to intercept the pass, which means they catch the ball from the quarterback and run the other way.

Safeties play deep in the defensive backfield usually, and are safety valves for any deep passes the quarterback might throw. They are there to help the cornerbacks with coverage, or they can blitz the quarterback. I dunno, it's tough to explain everything in football, I just gave you a basic rundown I believe.
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Please excuse the roughness of the drawing but here is what I have gathered from your explanation and visualized.

Point out where I am wrong as I am almost certain I have the WR in the wrong spot.
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Old 10-19-2010, 02:56 PM   #1408
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Please excuse the roughness of the drawing but here is what I have gathered from your explanation and visualized.

Point out where I am wrong as I am almost certain I have the WR in the wrong spot.
The typical pro defensive set is a 4-3, or 3-4, with two safeties being on both the strong and weak sides of the offense. Rarely will you see five down defensive linemen unless in a short yardage or goal-line situation.

Or the '85 Bears.
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Old 10-19-2010, 03:03 PM   #1410
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There needs to be a minimum of 5 men on the line, yes, but you can also include a Tight End or two on the sides too.
There needs to be 7 men on the line of scrimmage. The offensive tackles have to be "covered", either by a tight end or wide receiver.

What that means, Fallen Angel, is that you have your five offensive lineman. You have the center (the player who snaps the ball to the quarterback), two guards, one to each side of the center, and two offensive tackles, one to each side of the center. That is 5 men that will always be on the line of scrimmage. However, the two tackles, the outermost offensive line players, must be "covered" by another player to their outside shoulder. This could be a tight end or wide receiver. These players will line up at the line of scrimmage, on the line, to "cover" the tackle. Basically, the offensive tackle cannot be the farthest player to the outside in an offensive formation. There must be a tight end or wide receiver on each side that lines up on the line of scrimmage.

There can't be more than 7 players on the line either. For example, if two wide receivers line up on the right side of a formation, one of those players must be on the line of scrimmage, and the other will generally line up exactly 1 yard behind the line of scrimmage.
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To further illustrate my point in my previous post, look at this picture. You have five offensive lineman. They are on the line of scrimmage. It may appear that the guards and tackles are slightly back from center, but that is allowed because they are going to be pass protecting.

On the left side of the formation, on the bottom of the picture, note how the middle receiver, of the three, is lined up on the 21 yard line, where as the other two receivers to that side are lined up on the 20 yard line. On the right side of the formation, the top side of the photo, the far most outside receiver is lined up on the 21 yard line, while the receiver in the "slot" is lined up on the 20 yard line.

If you look at this, you can see 7 men on the line of scrimmage. 5 offensive lineman, and the two receivers, one to each side of the formation.

I know this seems complicated, but it really isn't.
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Also, there are tons of variations for formations. You don't have to have a certain number of tight ends, wide receivers, or running backs on the field.
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Old 10-21-2010, 05:25 PM   #1427
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Love how much of a whiny bitch James Harrison is being about these illegal hit punishments. Classic Steelers football.
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Old 10-21-2010, 05:52 PM   #1428
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How many times has he threaten to retire or boycott something by now, 3-4 times?

Worst was him boycotting the meeting with the President when the Steelers won the title just because Obama planned to have the Cardinals be there had the Cards won the Superbowl. Somehow he felt disrespected that there was plans for a Cardinals meeting even though Presidents always plan for 2 teams and then invite the winners.
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Mr. Harrison doesn't seem particularly smart.
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Mr. Harrison doesn't seem particularly smart.
Agreed. Great football player, but a mental midget.
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If the Colts beat the Texans as beat up as they are now, then the Texans have no shot in hell of ever winning the AFC South.

The Colts will be without Dallas Clark, Austin Collie and possibly without Joe Addai.


BTW i'll be at this game. Tailgaiting at around 4 or 5 pm. Drunk as shit when i go in. Balls out as the game is played. GO COLTS!
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Peyton Manning might seal up another MVP award if he destroys the Texans on MNF without Clark, Collie and Addai. Am i wrong?
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5WR, no RB, no TE
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:10 AM   #1434
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4 WR's, RB in motion out to the far left ( #33). No TE. It's classic Patriots football. They motion there RB out as a 5th receiver and spread the field.


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Old 10-22-2010, 11:16 AM   #1435
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lol probably couldn't have picked a worse pic for a formation, empty backfield (no RB/FB's)
Not really. I mean he labeled them wrong, but it's obviously a motion of a RB coming out of the backfield and moving to far left as a receiver.
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:18 AM   #1436
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Patriots do that alot when there is 1 safety in coverage. If you show them a single safety look, Brady audibles the RB out to a WR spot and goes empty backfield.
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Now you get a LB matched up against Welker, which is just stupid to begin with.
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So you're saying it's still 5 WR's?
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Now you get a LB matched up against Welker, which is just stupid to begin with.
I just noticed there's like 10 LB's labeled
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Most of the time the motion is to pick up if they are in man or zone coverage.
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