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Old 01-22-2006, 09:18 PM   #1401
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"I love Crisp, he just isn't worth Marte. And he isn't a CF"

This means that I think Marte is worth more than Crisp, so obviously Marte + Mota is worth more than Crisp. There wasn't much point of mentioning him.

Calling him a top setup man is still an overstatement. He had 2 great years, what about the other 5? Don't forget that he has never thrown a pitch in the American League. Relievers, more than any other position, "come and go" so to speak. Tis why (other than closers) there are few guys who remain great relievers for long periods of time, and why only a select few get multiyear deals.
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I apologize, the comment you made that I was referring to is the one where you asked if I was being sarcastic. There were just a bunch of posts about the trade and he wasn't mentioned at all.
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Looks like the trade went through.

I'm glad we got a starting CF, but I dunno if the cost was worth it. We'll see what happens come spring training.
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It was kind of inevitable. I thought it was pretty cool when he said he would do it, but whatever.

There was an article somewhere that quoted some guy saying a lot of the American players didn't want to do it, but didn't want to back out early in fear of looking bad. I wonder if there will be a big group of these guys now.

What I don't really understand is why international competition is so frowned upon in baseball and basketball. It seems like representing the USA in hockey or soccer is an incredible honor, but for baseball and basketball it's just a hassle. It really just proves that it really is all about the money, although I believe they should have held the baseball tournament midseason rather then preseason.
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Guillermo Mota failed his physical so the trade is halted for now. There is talk of replacing Mota in the deal with Manny Delcarmen.
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Guillermo Mota failed his physical so the trade is halted for now. There is talk of replacing Mota in the deal with Manny Delcarmen.
This is just getting stupid...

Marte, Delcarmen & Shoppach...

this is just stupid.

I'll give that Crisp has good stats and take out damon's FA year, has as good if not better stats then Damon, he can play CF is a decent fielder with no arm, but should be a good leadoff and is young and cheap...

but he's not worth all that...

There was talk SD wants David Wells and Wells wants SD, can't we make some deal of Wells for Dave Roberts to play CF for a year and keep all these guys...

I mean, if the Twins are out of it at the all-star break, wouldn't Hunter be on the block? Might Atlanta now want to spend the money on Jones?

I dunno, maybe Crisp will turn into a multi-year all-star... I just think they're giving up too much.
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Old 01-25-2006, 12:17 PM   #1410
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So, there's word going around that a deal fell apart last week that had:
Clement to Cinc
Austin Kerns to Clev
Coco and 2 others to the Red Sox.

There's word that this had something to do with the firing of Dan O'brien.
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This is such a good move. He is only guaranteed $500 K, with a couple million in incentives. So if Thomas breaks his leg on the 1st week it won't cost them any money and they'll still have a solid lineup without him.

I really hope they keep Jay Payton around as a 4th outfielder, but he complained in Boston because of not starting so they might have to trade him. I think he'll realize that he's going to get alot more playing time with Bradley/Kotsay/Swisher/Thomas than he did with Ramirez/Damon/Nixon/Ortiz. He'd be great to have around if one of the 4 go down, and he has a great glove and some pop which is about all you can ask for from a 4th OF.

Ideal situation would be to package Kennedy and Kielty in a deal for prospects and/or a reliever.
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Old 01-25-2006, 09:49 PM   #1413
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500K for Thomas is a steal. There's no 'bad' in this deal anywhere.
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He can earn $1.4 million if he makes no DL stops, and up to $1.2 million in performance bonuses (starting with 300 AB he can make $200 K for every 50 AB). If Thomas collects all of his 2.9 million, it will be money well spent because the A's will win 95 games.

I really think this puts the A's over the top
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It's going to be a sad day when I see my all-time favorite player in a uniform other than the White Sox pinstripes.

I was hoping you were just going to hang 'em up Frank.

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Old 01-26-2006, 01:37 PM   #1417
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He can earn $1.4 million if he makes no DL stops, and up to $1.2 million in performance bonuses (starting with 300 AB he can make $200 K for every 50 AB). If Thomas collects all of his 2.9 million, it will be money well spent because the A's will win 95 games.

I really think this puts the A's over the top
an incentive for not being on the DL?

I wonder what happens if the team wants to put him there, but he gets a doctor to say he's not injured?
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Old 01-26-2006, 01:39 PM   #1418
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Ok, it seems every time I hear a new "trade for Crisp" the sox are giving more.

I swear, by the time the deal is done it will be:

Rameriz, Ortiz, Lester, Pappelbon, Timlin & 100mil cash for Coco Crisp.

Also, I want the idiot who decide to make the deal with the Martlins without giving either player a physical head on a flag pole outside fenway park.
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an incentive for not being on the DL?

I wonder what happens if the team wants to put him there, but he gets a doctor to say he's not injured?
You have to be certified as disabled by a doctor to go on the DL. They can't just put him there because they don't want to pay him.
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Old 01-26-2006, 08:14 PM   #1421
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You have to be certified as disabled by a doctor to go on the DL. They can't just put him there because they don't want to pay him.
you act like a "team doctor" has never stretched a "injury" at a teams request.

Team doctors are paid for and work for the team.

I always remember the Celtics would sometimes put someone on the IR the press would ask the player "how bad is it" and the player would say "well, my back is really sore, going to have some pictures done" and then the press would tell the player is was a different injury he's going on the IR for.
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Well, if Thomas is able to play, they are probably going to want him to play and will be willing to pay him? It's not like its a difference of millions of dollars or something.
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LOL yeah. Mota was aquired by the Red Sox this off season, did he not take a physical?
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Team Doctors still work for "the team".
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LOL yeah. Mota was aquired by the Red Sox this off season, did he not take a physical?


I'm not rolling my eyes at you, but "my team".

Yep, neither him or Beckett took physicals...

I did hear they "studied" Beckets MRI...

and now I'm hearing Mota, Marte, Delcarman & Shoppack in a deal that gets back Crisp & Riske.

This deal better get much better then this.

Screw it, move Trot to CF or deal for Dave Roberts or that type of player for a stop gap. They have a "top CF prospect" in A, possible will move up this year (I don't expect him in the majors for another 2yrs).

Clevland, wants Marte more then the Sox need Crisp. They wanted Marte from Atlanta originally.
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According to MLB.COM, the following trades are about to happen:

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That's ridiculous. Cleveland's roster is currently filled, Boston NEEDS a center fielder for 2006, and it won't be Adam Stern or Willie Harris. If Cleveland doesn't get Marte, no big deal, he isn't playing for them in 2006 anyway. Boston is the team that absolutely needs a position filled and that's why Cleveland is in the position of power.
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lol I don't know if anyone here other than Roxer knows who Jairo Garcia is, but it turns out his name is Santiago Casilla and he's 26, not 23
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I can't wait to laugh at him next year, if he even plays. With Guillen's injury he'll probably be on the 25 man roster to start the season, after Guillen is healthy there's really no use for him. 2006 is definately his last year
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lol I don't know if anyone here other than Roxer knows who Jairo Garcia is, but it turns out his name is Santiago Casilla and he's 26, not 23
The Rockies tried to trade Joe Kennedy for Garcia... errrr Casilla, but got turned down. Good thing
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Boston finally/officially landed Crisp. The players involved were those rumoured to be swapped, and posted earlier by Miz.

Red Sox get:
OF Coco Crisp
RP David Riske
C Josh Bard

Indians get:
3B Andy Marte
RP Guillermo Mota
C Kelly Shoppach
PTBNL/cash
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lol I don't know if anyone here other than Roxer knows who Jairo Garcia is, but it turns out his name is Santiago Casilla and he's 26, not 23
He's a beast in MVP 05. Dunno about real life though.
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2 years ago today Garcia was the best relief prsopect in baseball, he tore up the minors in 2004 and then they stupidly jumped him to the bigs at 21 (actually 23/24) where his pitches and confidence got killed. He has a high 90's fastball and a good slider but he still has very poor control. If he can fix the control problem he could still have a future as a middle reliever in MLB, but he is no longer even close to a top prospect
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That's ridiculous. Cleveland's roster is currently filled, Boston NEEDS a center fielder for 2006, and it won't be Adam Stern or Willie Harris. If Cleveland doesn't get Marte, no big deal, he isn't playing for them in 2006 anyway. Boston is the team that absolutely needs a position filled and that's why Cleveland is in the position of power.
Of course, everything you don't agree with is ridiculous.

Cleveland wanted Marte for a while, tried getting him from Atlanta multiple times, the sox could have gone other routes to fill SS.

Marte & Shoppach... at least they kept Delcarmen.

I'm still not thrilled with the trade, unless Crisp somehow explodes and turns into a player he isn't expected to be. Down the road, Crisp probably goes to RF in a year or two (I think 2, some people think 1) when Ellsbury is ready to come up, he's the Red Sox CF of the future.

They're saying the sox look at is as they didn't deal Marte, they delt Renteria... I understand that point of view, just doesn't work for me.

Also, the "player to be named later"... if that turns out to be any of the top prospects then it's a horrible deal.
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I don't think MLB policy tests for HGH... maybe he got back on something... ya never know.
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Of course, everything you don't agree with is ridiculous.

Cleveland wanted Marte for a while, tried getting him from Atlanta multiple times, the sox could have gone other routes to fill SS.
Need > want

Boston needed a centerfielder.
Cleveland wanted a top prospect.

Cleveland had the position of power and that's why they won this deal. Unless you think the third baseman of the Buffalo Bisons is more important to Cleveland than the centerfielder of the Boston Red Sox is to Boston, there's really no argument otherwise.
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