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Old 03-29-2010, 12:52 AM   #1481
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Cena vs Batista wasn't a bad match at all. I don't think it's fair to class it as such because you hate both guys no matter what.
Nah it wasn't a bad match but I think the crowd really hurt this match (they did ger into it near the end though.)

I'm surprised they were so dead for it at the start.
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Shawn kicked out of fucking everything. It made perfect sense with the way they were going into the match. Michaels was pretty much "I won't go out unless I die" type of thing. That was achieved perfectly in this match.

If you look at the match as a stand alone, without taking into account the storyline, I could see your point (whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant). But the storyline leading into this dictated how this match came across.
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Overall it was a good show, but I guess we all grow up and Wrestlemania just doesn't seem to be what it use to. It could have potentially been the best WM ever but somehow most of the matches seemed rushed and not that great.

It's weird because WM19 for example had just as many matches, and somehow they went for a good amount of time each and even had time for Limp Bizkit/Cat Fight girls etc.

All the matches themselves were good though, but as I said they all seemed to finish too soon. The Hart/Vince was kinda boring. Woulda been better if Vince were able to get more offence in. But Natalya Neidhart looked HOT so it's all good.
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Well, that wrestlemania was pretty bad.
Triple Threat:
How did a fued with so many possibilities and so much history end up as that.

Money in the Bank:
Never seemed to get going. More spots blown than hit. Who wanted to see Swagger win? Christian and Matt DESERVE it, and either would have made great Wrestlemania moments, cash in or not. Even Kane or Kofi would have pleased people, Drew would at least be logical. Instead heel Swagger who's been jobbing on Raw gets guaranteed a world title - way too soon.

HHH vs Sheamus:
HHH's draw wasted with a midcard jobber. They want to put Sheamus over. Fine. Then why the fuck a) Have a boring, lazy match. b) make Sheamus look weak. c) have HHH go over?.

Sheamus ends up looking worse than he did the day before.

CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio:
Instead of 'getting revenge' Mysterio looks lucky to even get the win. If the same match happened on Smackdown people would consider it below average.

Bret Hart vs. Mr. McMahon:
51 year old professional wrestler assaults a 65 year old businessman with a steel chair and crowbar. But it's not enough. To win he needs the help of three fit, young professional wrestlers, a crooked ref and at least 10 family members as lumberjacks.

I'm a Hart fan and I found it almost unwatchable, 70,000? people in the audience seemed to feel the same way. What a way to end the greatest story in pro wrestling. It's almost as brilliant as the ECW/WCW Invasion angle!

Chris Jericho vs. Edge:
Edge never hits the move the match is booked around. Match ends as it's getting started. Edge's face run looks ridiculous. Great spot comes after the match where it means nothing, and makes even less sense.

Batista vs. John Cena:
BAWWW GAWD CENA HAS OVERCOME THE ODDS. That it was the second best match on the card is not a positive.

Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker:
Nobdy wanted to see the Undertakers streak broken. Nobody wanted to see Shawn 'forced' to retire. One of those things happened and I can't imagine that sent the audience home happy.

I like the way Shawn just wandered off. They could have had Bret hug him in the ring as the ticker-tape fell. They could have had Hunter, they could have had the whole locker room, or any member of it.

I haven't seen a exit like that since Mysterio retired JBL.
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:53 AM   #1485
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michaels had more HP in that match than kane at WM14 i think.
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I didn't think it was that bad...
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Also, after this PPV me and my mates watched a couple of matches from Destination X. To go from Wrestlemania 26 to TNA... jeez TNA looked CHEAP!!!
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Anyone who says HBK/Taker was booked poorly is fucking stupid. HBK literally kicked out of/countered everything MULTIPLE times. He kicked out of more of Taker's finishers in one match than anyone will probably for the rest of the year. Again, if HBK had won this match and nothing other than the last move changed, you could say HBK dominated Taker in this match.
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There was one great match, and 2-3 very good matches.

There was only one really awful match. Were the Legacy and HHH/Sheamus matches so bad? No. They were solid, and that's the midcard.

How many Wrestlemanias are working with much better?
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:55 AM   #1490
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lol over the past 5 years or so, every WrestleMania has been the worst one ever, according to the internet.
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:56 AM   #1491
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The MITB match was shit! There is too many people in it for each to actually get any substantial offence in. What did Shelton Benjamin do? He steals the show every year in that match.

Dolph Ziggler? Drew McIntyre? Fucking Jack Swagger? I can't remember anything these guys did.
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Everyone who hated this event will order next years Wrestlemania. It's classic
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Which is odd because Wrestlemania's have improved a lot in the last decade. Probably because until the 2000s Mania was all about a BIG ASS main event and then a bunch of other filler matches with the odd big secondary match.

WM 23 truly was shit though.
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haven't looked at anything all night. just from reading the last couple pages, sounds like the show was average.
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I think the final match alone was worth $60. Anyone agree?
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:59 AM   #1496
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In what lifetime is Wrestlemania 18 better than this? Because it happened closer to the attitude era?

The Wrestlemania 18 card was dead aside from Rock/Hogan (hot crowd for a bad match), and Taker/Flair (great match)

The main event was dead. The rest of the card was shit. Austin jobbing out Hall was no better or different than the HHH/Sheamus match.

People need to get over the old days.
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:59 AM   #1498
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I don't think Shawn's overall wrestling career is finished just yet, but I think that the week-by-week regular component of it is. He doesn't have to do it anymore, and should take pride in what he's accomplished, be happy with his other stuff in his life, tend to family, enjoy his spiritual pursuits and just take his mind and body and float for a while.

And go out there in the world and have some fun too...get as far away from WWE for the larger body of this year, and maybe make one last comeback for something at the Georgia Dome next April(true last match against Trips, anyone?), and maybe get into the WWE HOF next year.

Shawn 'HeartBreak Kid' Michaels-2011 WWE HOF Inductee...needs to happen.

And for UnderTaker, for a guy who turned 45 just mere days ago, he's shown that he is the Greatest Ever Big Man in wrestling history. It was more logical that he won at Mania this year, and as a loyal fan and true to Taker since Winter 1992, I'm happy he's 18-0. Regardless of the 'Cena Flak' that exists online, I support the idea of Cena V. Taker in Atlanta next spring. It might be the last major opponent Taker would need to face at Mania anyway, so you might as well blow the farm on that for the Georgia Dome.

And if Taker wins that match, give him a break at WM XXVIII in Spring 2012, let him win that match, see him get to 20-0, and then...well, who knows beyond then, huh?

The UnderTaker and Shawn Michaels...rivals in the ring, and Icons Both.

Thanks Taker and HBK. =)

And Congrats, DeadMan. 18-0! =D
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Old 03-29-2010, 01:02 AM   #1499
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This mania was good. Why shit on it. The Tag team titles wasn't given enough time IMO, but MITB, Rey/Punk, Edge/Jericho, were good. I dont care about the divas, HHH/Ginger was good and clean and I truly feel that Cena/Bats was good until the botched Powerbomb spot, and the sloppy ending. I couldn't expect more out of them actually, so they get a solid 3 stars.

Taker/HBGod was great. I KNEW the outcome, and found myself rooting for Shawn ot kick out. I marked like I haven't marked in a long time( 12 months actually). I love how Taker built frustration, and even showed frustration/remorse for Shawn not staying down. Loved it to death. And I had Goosebumps when Taker helped Shawn up,and hugged him. It was a great moment for two of the most loyal WWE'ers left.
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I liked Angle/Kane and the tag title fourway. Maybe its just a soft spot since it was my first Wrestlemania
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still think Wrestlemania 12 being a better overall show than this is hilarious
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Yeah, I just can't see this at all.
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still think Wrestlemania 12 being a better overall show than this is hilarious
It definitely isn't. The Iron Man is over-rated as shit if you ask me.

I think people (myself included) forget that there has only been like 5 or 6 really good Wrestlemania's, so this is actually one of the better ones.
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In what lifetime is Wrestlemania 18 better than this? Because it happened closer to the attitude era?

The Wrestlemania 18 card was dead aside from Rock/Hogan (hot crowd for a bad match), and Taker/Flair (great match)

The main event was dead. The rest of the card was shit. Austin jobbing out Hall was no better or different than the HHH/Sheamus match.

People need to get over the old days.
My thoughts exactly. Mania 18 had similar matches and the buildup for several of them (Jericho/HHH namely) as absolute shit. All of the marquee matches for this year's show had a fantastic build.
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The MITB match was shit! There is too many people in it for each to actually get any substantial offence in. What did Shelton Benjamin do? He steals the show every year in that match.

Dolph Ziggler? Drew McIntyre? Fucking Jack Swagger? I can't remember anything these guys did.
Swagger Won?
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When people are talking about the greatest WrestleMania events, how come no one ever mentions WM2?
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Old 03-29-2010, 01:08 AM   #1508
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I'd just like it more if this forum as a whole would admit to not liking it because of what year it takes place in.

There's like 3 Wrestlemanias out of 26 that have more than 2 high quality matches. The battle is won and lost based on how good the undercard is.
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Old 03-29-2010, 01:08 AM   #1509
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for the 10th billionth time, it's all matter of opinion. I thought 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 were all good shows. I haven't seen the next five so I can't judge.

I guess I am easy to please
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When people are talking about the greatest WrestleMania events, how come no one ever mentions WM2?
Couldn't even get through that one. Maybe you had to 'be there'
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Old 03-29-2010, 01:10 AM   #1512
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Yeah, remember in the Attitude era where a good amount of the undercard was thrown in seemingly at random? At the biggest show of the year I'd rather watch a match I actually gave a shit about going in than just seeing Wrestler A thrown into a match against Wrestler B with no prior build.
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Old 03-29-2010, 01:11 AM   #1513
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I'm not saying this was a terrible Mania, but I really didnt have high expectations coming into the show. But hands down, the worst match was easily Bret/Vince. Vince had little to no offense, and it was mostly Bret's family that did all the work. Bret even had to sit down during the middle of the match!

My only other complaints is the usual wins by Rey and Cena. Though I do like that Jericho gets more than a one month title reign.
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Old 03-29-2010, 01:11 AM   #1514
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My Thoughts...

Cena going to that part of the crowd with the I Hate Cena T-shirts and just holding up the title was Epic. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

Also I didn't see this discussed but I also LOL at the HHH fears Divorce sign and how it was confinscated right after it was on TV. Awesome.

Bats-Cena the end was pretty hot and Taker/HBK lived up to expectations. Greatness.

Hart-Vince was so hard to watch but what did we expect I guess. It was what it was.

MITB was good imo too. Swagger was a shock of a winner so intrested where they take that.

Jericho winning made my night too. I was looking for an Edge win so the suprise win by Jericho there was nice.

I don't think it was one of the best but certainly wasn't one of the worst either, some people just get too cynical. Sit back and enjoy sometimes ya know.
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Couldn't even get through that one. Maybe you had to 'be there'
I liked how it was in three different places.
Apparently no one else did, though.
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I thought it was a solid show.
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I feel like a good amount of the posters on here are the pro wrestling internet message board equivalent to hipsters.
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Old 03-29-2010, 01:14 AM   #1520
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also wanted to note that matt striker is a moron and annoying as shit...

"the ace of spades triple h"

"vince using that international object"

striker comparing the undertaker's undefeated streak to actual sport streaks.


dude sucks.
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